EPTStephano forfeits ONOG Finals - Page 50
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On January 31 2012 14:45 Plexa wrote: Damned if you do Damned if you don't Sigh. How so? No on put a gun to Stephano's head and forced him to participate in two tournaments in one day. It is Stephano's fault alone that he did not better manage his time so that he could have forseen playing as late as he did. Once you enter into a tournament you are obligated to your own sponsors and the sponsors of the tournament to play out your games. It is as simple as that. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
Edit: If it were up to me, I'd never invite him to one of my tournaments if I was in that position. There are PLENTY of other absolutely amazing and fan loving SC2 pros to fill his spot. | ||
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Farone
Netherlands1219 Posts
On January 31 2012 15:55 FlamingTurd wrote: Stephano has tried to get away with too much. First it was the whole thing with him accepting a new team offer and then going back to Millenium and now this. When have you ever heard of a player refusing to play in the finals for any reason? Do you ever remember hearing of a professional baseball or football player not coming to a game because they were tired? Very unprofessional and shows a lack of respect for the whole e-sport. Edit: If it were up to me, I'd never invite him to one of my tournaments if I was in that position. There are PLENTY of other absolutely amazing and fan loving SC2 pros to fill his spot. I have seens tennis matches finals where 1 player forfeited.... | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 31 2012 15:52 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: How so? No on put a gun to Stephano's head and forced him to participate in two tournaments in one day. It is Stephano's fault alone that he did not better manage his time so that he could have forseen playing as late as he did. Once you enter into a tournament you are obligated to your own sponsors and the sponsors of the tournament to play out your games. It is as simple as that. Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:16 Plexa wrote: Stephano could have just drone rushed and let them cast the finals from replays. Would that have gone down better? Stephano didn't feel like his condition was up to playing to his full potential and decided to forfeit (or get the match delayed). Obviously he was okay with either outcome. He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. | ||
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ETisME
12889 Posts
it's at least more respectful imo | ||
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whereismymind
United Kingdom717 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
Problem solved. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:23 zefreak wrote: He doesn't have to play to his full potential, he just needs to play his best as he is able at the time. Like with any sport, all people care about is if you try your best. DRG was throwing up before playing Leenock at MLG Providence and he played to the best of his ability even though nobody in their right mind would think he was playing to his full potential. I don't know where this idea that 'he wont be able to play to his full potential so he shouldn't try' came from but its certainly not acceptable in any other form of competition.. If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) | ||
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
Okay, Stephano could have stayed up longer sure, but I guess for him 1000$ is not that important, and I think it can be seen as a statement. The day before Kas played his final match between 04:00-5:30 in the morning, is that really a reasonable time for a player to play? The tournament should try to start earlier if they know the have many EU players in the them. All viewers are online anyway so it might even boost their amount of viewers. Look at shoutcraft invitational for instance, they put the american players at the latest possible time in the tournament. Cause it make sense and is the obvious thing to do, dont get why there is not more examples of this. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote: If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Who were people to demand Naniwa play NesTea in a match that had no meaning? The argument was "he is obligated to play for GOM and his fans", and that applies no different for Stephano here. Should Stephano be banned from the next few ONOG events? Stephanos was essentially like "well I am too tired, I quit, it's a measly $1500." Not to mention that he is 9-1 in his last 10 games against Kas, he didn't need to play his absolute best to win probably. Naniwa would have a 100 page thread by now if he quit. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote: If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) This is an asinine argument. No one is "demanding" or trying to force stephano to play, but his decision not to play will make people think less of him and quite justifiably. | ||
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Coramoor
Canada455 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:11 Farone wrote: I have seens tennis matches finals where 1 player forfeited.... fatigue != injury | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:41 syllogism wrote: This is an asinine argument. No one is "demanding" or trying to force stephano to play, but his decision not to play will make people think less of him and quite justifiably. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what people think of him. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:31 Plexa wrote: If stephano felt that he couldn't beat Kas in his current form and felt his time was better spent sleeping (and probably resting for whatever he had planned for the next day) then who are you to demand he plays out the match? Stephano made his choice, and he can't complain about the outcome as a result (and afaik, he isn't.) Don't get me wrong, I don't think he should be forced to play and it is within his power to forfeit and face DQ or a similar consequence. However the idea that a player shouldn't be expected to play because for whatever reason he can't be at his full potential is stupid and has gained traction since the naniwa incident. Someones starcraft performance isn't polarized to best play - 6 pool, people can still play well under stressful or sub-optimal conditions. There are players who constantly play under circumstances that hold them from playing at their full potential, such as when MVP goes mech for the sole purpose of being unable to play a higher APM style due to his CTS. He still plays as best as he can under those conditions and thats all his fans expect. That should be the standard - try your best even if circumstances are not optimal.. and I agree that useless games shouldn't be played if either party doesn't want to. In the end it was Stephano's right to forfeit for whatever reason, and his action and the consequences should be accepted, but I'm surprised that his decision is seen by anyone as standard practice, it does not seem to be the mindset of a professional gamer (I think boxer, MVP etc are great examples). | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 31 2012 16:41 syllogism wrote: This is an asinine argument. No one is "demanding" or trying to force stephano to play, but his decision not to play will make people think less of him and quite justifiably. then why this thread exists? If player can choose to forfeit why wouldnt he, This whole thread is just trying to prove that Stephano has either bad sportmanship or that he was too tired to play. In both cases its meaningless to discuss it. He had his reasons to do this and he gave up the prize, thats already a "cost" of his decision. We cannot strip players from being able to forfeit. Its unthinkable in any other sport. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
2.30 AM is an absurd time to play a match. | ||
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HellionDrop
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