EPTDoesn't matter. If you replaced everything with details pertaining to "sniping" instead of "cheating," everything would still be outside of Blizzard's jurisdiction and reasonable ability.
Blizzard on Stream Sniping. - Page 4
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
Doesn't matter. If you replaced everything with details pertaining to "sniping" instead of "cheating," everything would still be outside of Blizzard's jurisdiction and reasonable ability. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:38 TheAmazombie wrote: There are issues there though. Why should Blizzard regulate streams? It is not their job at all. Also, what counts as a "popular" streamer? Someone semipopular could get pissed off about it and claim discrimination. It is just ridiculous to me that people make their work public then expect someone else to regulate it. There are valid ways around stream sniping and cheating that are controlled by the streamer's end, it is their choice not to use them. There are a few different viewpoints one could take. For example take Blizzard's viewpoint from business standpoint; ensuring that popular professional players can stream properly without grievances can in turn generate more popularity in the game, resulting in more potential revenue. You could also take a stream viewer's standpoint; as a viewer I may want some form of regulation by Blizzard to ensure that the popular streams aren't harassed in the form of stream cheating. Sure the topic is currently subjective and ill-defined, but that's what Blizzard was saying: they have no policies or definitions currently in order to do anything. It's just a matter of defining some on their part, if they deemed it worthwhile. | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On January 20 2012 13:53 Gl!tch wrote: I don't stream, but I can't imagine that it's very chalanging. I think the reason many streamers don't add a delay is because it limits their interaction with their audidiance, which is the basis of them running a good stream. This is precisely the reason. But for streamers who don't really interact with their viewers adding a delay would work, however, it would make running ads very inconvenient because the ad would most likely cut out the last portion of the game (depending on how much delay is built in). | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:46 CecilSunkure wrote: There are a few different viewpoints one could take. For example take Blizzard's viewpoint from business standpoint; ensuring that popular professional players can stream properly without grievances can in turn generate more popularity in the game, resulting in more potential revenue. You could also take a stream viewer's standpoint; as a viewer I may want some form of regulation by Blizzard to ensure that the popular streams aren't harassed in the form of stream cheating. Sure the topic is currently subjective and ill-defined, but that's what Blizzard was saying: they have no policies or definitions currently in order to do anything. It's just a matter of defining some on their part, if they deemed it worthwhile. Eh, I don't think that the cheating/sniping messes with anything from a business viewpoint. Whenever asshats are on Destiny's stream, a lot of times his viewership increases. Also, again, the players still have other options around it whether it be to play customs and not ladder or to add delay or what have you, there are ways around it. I just don't see the argument that it will help from a business side at all. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:34 geno wrote: As others have pointed out, this is really more their policy on stream cheating, and I don't think all that many people truly criticize this stance anyways. Few would expect more than what they are doing with regards to stream cheating. Actual stream sniping is, I think, a more appropriate problem for them to address. Being forced to play the same people over and over again that are only in it to annoy you and give you a hard time because they figured out how to game the system is most certainly something I think Blizzard should care about. Even separated from streaming, being able to time your game searches to play against particular people is highly sketchy and not a good user experience. Ontop of the fact it'd also serve to throw a wrench into the gears of win trading. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On January 20 2012 13:51 Leeoku wrote: honest question. how hard is it to add delay... Thing is streamers usually press the run advertising button right after the games, so for example if they delay the stream by 2 mins, if was just in the middle of the game and no body know what the hell is going on and when the ads are over, the games also end as well. | ||
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run.at.me
Australia550 Posts
The report should be made as a 'hacking' report, not a 'stream sniping' one. This would allow blizzard to review the image and if the snipers made it so clear that they were 'hacking' then how are blizzard to know if they were sniping. This would certainly deter or limit the amount of snipers, if they were treated as map hackers they would rarely do it. Edit: there is nothing actually wrong with sniping. Queueing at the same time as someone else repetitively has no negative effects on the gameplay itself. The problems with stream cheating are obvious. Blizzard also do not need to monitor streams. Just monitor reports as per usual. | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:45 Zeke50100 wrote: "Blizzard doesn't know the difference between sniping and cheating." Doesn't matter. If you replaced everything with details pertaining to "sniping" instead of "cheating," everything would still be outside of Blizzard's jurisdiction and reasonable ability. Nonsense. Blizzard has complete control over the matchmaking system and thus can have an effect on (repeated) stream sniping quite easily. They just choose not to. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
We’ve continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). It should be emphasised that stream sniping is not necessarily stream cheating. It's only natural that people would want to get a chance to play against celebrity gamers, and timing your queue based on someone's stream lets you do just that. Actively watching his stream while playing him is obviously wrong, of course, but just the act of timing join game is fare gaim. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On January 20 2012 13:50 SKTerran.117 wrote: What else did people REALLY expect them to do? yeah for real ~_~ this seems fairly obvious. | ||
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CounterOrder
Canada457 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On January 20 2012 14:54 run.at.me wrote: Stream sniping should simply be regarded as map hacking. If there is substantial evidence in a replay that undoubtedly shows knowledge of the opponents actions, then their account should be banned as if they were hacking. The report should be made as a 'hacking' report, not a 'stream sniping' one. This would allow blizzard to review the image and if the snipers made it so clear that they were 'hacking' then how are blizzard to know if they were sniping. This would certainly deter or limit the amount of snipers, if they were treated as map hackers they would rarely do it. The problem there is that Blizzard cannot confirm that you were sniping or cheating or whatever. The most they can do is see that you had a certain stream on at the same time as playing the game. It does not prove anything. You could have it closed, or someone else in the house is watching it from a different computer. I agree that for tournaments they might be able to control this and regulate it somehow, also to us in the community it is in some way like map hacking and stream cheaters are usually frowned upon, but in the end, Blizzard can't really enforce this. With mods, maphacks, and abuse they can prove it, it is within their game and their ability. Stream cheating is not. EDIT: Sorry, I misread. You said to look for evidence as you would with a map hack. I agree to some point, but that is still another can of worms to open and is outside of their control. | ||
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themask4f
138 Posts
That said, about the stream CHEATING theres nothing they can/should do | ||
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HolyExlxF
United States256 Posts
On January 20 2012 13:56 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote: There is no difference between stream sniping and maphacking. Actually, there's quite a large difference. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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