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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
January 20 2012 07:47 GMT
#101
Of course their response is fine, what do you expect them to do. There's no reason to rage at Blizzard over this.

Maybe they should just ban streaming or demand certain % of the income players get from streaming while at it, sounds more reasonable than the players whining at them over this matter.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
January 20 2012 07:48 GMT
#102
On January 20 2012 16:40 Supamang wrote:
Completely reasonable response from Blizzard. Create your own solutions to your own problems. For example:



Oh my god, this is amazing!

Reason #7832476 why I love Destiny...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 20 2012 07:50 GMT
#103
On January 20 2012 15:32 Hoodlum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:56 Kanil wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:45 Zeke50100 wrote:
"Blizzard doesn't know the difference between sniping and cheating."

Doesn't matter. If you replaced everything with details pertaining to "sniping" instead of "cheating," everything would still be outside of Blizzard's jurisdiction and reasonable ability.

Nonsense. Blizzard has complete control over the matchmaking system and thus can have an effect on (repeated) stream sniping quite easily. They just choose not to.


The problem is easily solved by not streaming... This is in no way blizzards problem...

Obviously there are things that others can do to stop the problem, but Blizzard has the unique capability to do so without people needing to inhibit their streaming. Blizzard can make people not able to make more than once every hour or so. That would have fixed the problem entirely.
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:58:50
January 20 2012 07:51 GMT
#104
It's true that I don't think it'd be right for Blizzard to meddle too much in this. It's the job of tournaments to have delayed streams and for players to choose between good fan interaction and delayed streams.

I'd like to think there was some fair feature that Blizz could add to the game to prevent cheating, but I can't think of one that doesn't negatively affect the ladder experience for legitimate players.


On January 20 2012 16:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:32 Hoodlum wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:56 Kanil wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:45 Zeke50100 wrote:
"Blizzard doesn't know the difference between sniping and cheating."

Doesn't matter. If you replaced everything with details pertaining to "sniping" instead of "cheating," everything would still be outside of Blizzard's jurisdiction and reasonable ability.

Nonsense. Blizzard has complete control over the matchmaking system and thus can have an effect on (repeated) stream sniping quite easily. They just choose not to.


The problem is easily solved by not streaming... This is in no way blizzards problem...

Obviously there are things that others can do to stop the problem, but Blizzard has the unique capability to do so without people needing to inhibit their streaming. Blizzard can make people not able to make more than once every hour or so. That would have fixed the problem entirely.


The issue with that is that legit players can no longer meet multiple times on ladder when there's no sniping involved - I've had good experiences with this even down in diamond where it's rare. Plus, dickheads like deezer have multiple accounts anyway, so they either switch account and cheat again against you, or they cheat against someone else and come back in an hour.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 20 2012 07:53 GMT
#105
On January 20 2012 16:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 16:40 Supamang wrote:
Completely reasonable response from Blizzard. Create your own solutions to your own problems. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_mPUGRh_Q


Oh my god, this is amazing!

Reason #7832476 why I love Destiny...


I don't know if it's any more advisable than stream sniping though. If anything stream sniping sounds more legit than DDOSing some guy on ladder.

But I agree, that's pretty funny ;D
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
January 20 2012 08:04 GMT
#106
On January 20 2012 16:53 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 16:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 20 2012 16:40 Supamang wrote:
Completely reasonable response from Blizzard. Create your own solutions to your own problems. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_mPUGRh_Q


Oh my god, this is amazing!

Reason #7832476 why I love Destiny...


I don't know if it's any more advisable than stream sniping though. If anything stream sniping sounds more legit than DDOSing some guy on ladder.

But I agree, that's pretty funny ;D


Ironically, Destiny & co actually got in trouble for it. Destiny actually gets temp banned frequently for this type of behaviour/abusing the report player button.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
January 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#107
On January 20 2012 17:04 darkscream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 16:53 ZenithM wrote:
On January 20 2012 16:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 20 2012 16:40 Supamang wrote:
Completely reasonable response from Blizzard. Create your own solutions to your own problems. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_mPUGRh_Q


Oh my god, this is amazing!

Reason #7832476 why I love Destiny...


I don't know if it's any more advisable than stream sniping though. If anything stream sniping sounds more legit than DDOSing some guy on ladder.

But I agree, that's pretty funny ;D


Ironically, Destiny & co actually got in trouble for it. Destiny actually gets temp banned frequently for this type of behaviour/abusing the report player button.

awwww really? What happened?

I mean, its pretty clear cut against the rules to grief someone like Destiny did with his followers but I still think its funny and justified against Deezer. Especially since he only does it if Deezer is stream sniping
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
January 20 2012 08:28 GMT
#108
idk what anyone would expext blizzard to do, stream sniping goes beyond what happens inside they game
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 20 2012 08:29 GMT
#109
I like the suggestion for delay, not sure if all major streaming services provide such option though. As a viewer, I wouldn't mind delay, even as far as minutes, if it helps the streamers to play better quality games.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
shortsteve
Profile Joined May 2011
29 Posts
January 20 2012 08:34 GMT
#110
On January 20 2012 13:50 memcpy wrote:
I agree with their argument that they can't do anything because they have no current policies against stream cheating. What they could do however is add stream sniping to their policies and ban people who have been reported on multiple accounts since it's easily verifiable by looking at their match history. Doesn't seem like any more of difficult than looking into harassment cases.


it's not that cut and dry. By streaming online you're waiving your right to online privacy. If someone wants to take advantage of that fact then it's perfectly legal. Blizzard would have no legal standing to ban people that stream cheat or stream snipe. The only way Blizzard could legally stop stream cheating would be to disallow streaming of their product, which is stupid since streaming is essentially free advertising for Blizzard.
Freye
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark14 Posts
January 20 2012 08:38 GMT
#111
On January 20 2012 13:43 Gl!tch wrote:
We are absolutely able to enforce, and will continue to do so, violations that include harassment of others in-game, use of hacks, abuse of our reporting tools, and attempts to disrupt the gameplay of others.


How does this not hurt your brain to read? It's easy to argue that streamsniping (and the worse), go under attempt to disrupt the gameplay of others. Streamcheaters sometimes even directly harass you ingame... Some of the more infamous ones harass all the time.

Another "not our problem" answer... g.g. blizzard
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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
January 20 2012 08:38 GMT
#112
blizzard doesnt need to do anything

the solution is simply delaying the stream.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
January 20 2012 08:54 GMT
#113
On January 20 2012 17:38 Freye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 13:43 Gl!tch wrote:
We are absolutely able to enforce, and will continue to do so, violations that include harassment of others in-game, use of hacks, abuse of our reporting tools, and attempts to disrupt the gameplay of others.


How does this not hurt your brain to read? It's easy to argue that streamsniping (and the worse), go under attempt to disrupt the gameplay of others. Streamcheaters sometimes even directly harass you ingame... Some of the more infamous ones harass all the time.

Another "not our problem" answer... g.g. blizzard


Yes, Blizzard should fix the problem of people showing themselves on the internet

In fact Blizzard should also pay my rent and buy me a new computer
gladsheim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia676 Posts
January 20 2012 09:03 GMT
#114
to those complaining about 'Blizzard doesn't even know what the difference between stream sniping and stream cheating is loololol', what they've said basically applies to both of them anyway. Its impossible to enforce rules against someone who either stream cheats or stream snipes and you have to be stream cheating to snipe in the first place.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
January 20 2012 09:20 GMT
#115
On January 20 2012 17:38 PhiliBiRD wrote:
blizzard doesnt need to do anything

the solution is simply delaying the stream.

right on

but I think streamers like destiny like to interact in real time with their viewers

although they could maybe add some delay only while playing games
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
January 20 2012 09:27 GMT
#116
On January 20 2012 13:56 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
Actually, I really dislike this decision by blizzard
There is no difference between stream sniping and maphacking. It's not the streamer's fault that hes streaming, its the maphackers/snipers fault for looking at the stream. They can choose whether or not to do so, and only affect themselves. If the streamer decides to delay or shut off the stream, then he loses hundreds or thousands of viewers.


The difference is really quite simple: there's nothing you can do about a map hack. If you get map hacked... oh well. It happens. There's nothing you can do to make yourself impervious to map hacks; that's Blizzard's responsibility.

Streaming, by definition means setting up a way so that other people can watch you play live. It is a choice you, the streamer, are making. In effect, you are map hacking yourself. By simply not streaming, you make yourself 100% impervious to stream sniping.

Now, you may say that not streaming means losing viewers. And that's correct. But Blizzard does not have to enforce any particular economic model. They don't exist to make personal streaming of SC2 games economically viable. It is not their responsibility to ensure that personal streaming of SC2 even exists, let alone has viewership and enough people/ad revenue to live on.

Streaming, which fundamentally means providing people online information about your play live, has innate risks. One of those risks is the risk that someone who you don't want to watch will be watching. Like the preson you're currently playing. That's the nature of the best. Accept it and move on, or stop streaming. Those are the legitimate options.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
January 20 2012 09:31 GMT
#117
On January 20 2012 13:50 SKTerran.117 wrote:
What else did people REALLY expect them to do?




Agreed but could they JUST make the one exception for that motherfucker that begins with D (who harassed Artosis 2 weeks ago)
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
January 20 2012 09:33 GMT
#118
What? blizzard wont call police to come in your house and arrest you for game cheating? jk. not much they could do.
zimz
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
January 20 2012 09:33 GMT
#119
That's not even what stream sniping is, wtf blizzard.

Stream sniping = queueing up at the same time as the person so they are matched up. They're talking about stream cheating/watching.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
January 20 2012 09:35 GMT
#120
On January 20 2012 18:33 hitpoint wrote:
That's not even what stream sniping is, wtf blizzard.

Stream sniping = queueing up at the same time as the person so they are matched up. They're talking about stream cheating/watching.


Also just as difficult to police as the cheating / watching you defined.
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