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MLG statement on Providence Code S spot - Page 9
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sirachman
United States270 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:25 hypercube wrote: MLG's saying: "Do whatever you want with your own tournament but don't expect us to cover for you." Professionalism is nice but transparency is even nicer. Hey, someone actually gets it. This (the OP) is just another PR post with everyone attempting to cover their asses. Naniwa's apology, GOM's "statement," and now MLG's statement--it's all just damage control. My take is that GOM overreacted because of the previous Naniwa disrespect to Nestea. Now, GOM has to "stand by their decision" or risk appearing weak, as they did when Jinro dropped the F bomb in group selections awhile back. Naniwa apologized "in his own words" because someone probably told him to. Sure, he may feel some contrition, but it's like apologizing for hitting your sister...adults made you say "sorry." And now MLG is just washing its hands of the whole thing, and they probably weren't dirty anyways. I think Doa's post was the fairest one I've seen on the whole mess, by shedding light on both Naniwa and GOM's point of view. If anything's true, all sides need to practice greater patience and understanding of each other. And where that fails (at best, mutual understanding is not easily accomplished), players like Naniwa need to keep a cool head and realize that life isn't fair. You can shoot yourself in the foot to try to prove a point, but you still suffer the most as a result. | ||
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lightsentry
413 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote: So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:47 m0ck wrote: NOT as a result of Coca's incident. And I don't know how the negotiations went (maybe they are still ongoing). BUT yes, Mr. Chae's first statement after the accident included clarification that they have been in negotiations for awhile already, about how and if they will continue the Code A granted slot. So even that particular monthly final has not yet been confirmed to grant such slot, at the time that match was played. Does ESV no longer give out a code A spot? I never even heard of this. As a result of the Coca-incident? Do you have a link? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580¤tpage=4#76 Again, these negotiations were already taking place before that match, and are not the result of it. | ||
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4of8
Germany256 Posts
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote: So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? No one ever believed GOM was infallible, and that was never the discussion. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:51 Longshank wrote: I'd really like to hear what GOM has to say about this. Post on gomtv.net. i wouldnt expect that there will be anymore releases. mlg and gom's internal dispute (if any, but it appears mlg is not pleased with gom at the moment) will be kept internal. they have made their press releases, they are done. | ||
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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote: Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening. The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program. By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was. If anything I would expect the exact opposite of that to happen. SC2 is HUGE outside of Korea, but inside of Korea it has had trouble catching up to BW and is still nowhere near as popular. I would venture to guess that if they tried to shut themselves off from the rest of the SC2 community that it would their scene that died. SC2 is too big outside of Korea for it to fade away in one year, no fucking way that could happen. | ||
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SnoLys
149 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:26 Trsjnica wrote: Uhh, bait and switch? What did they bait Naniwa to do? Are you suggesting he wouldn't have played MLG Providence if he knew that he couldn't win a Code S spot in it? Nothing that occurred here is illegal, btw. Maybe not him, but what about the other players that attended Providence? They thought that there was a Code S on the line. That Code S spot for some Korean players is one of the major incentives to go to MLG. Keen dropped to Code A and decides to attend his first MLG after that, Providence. Losira dropped to Code A and went to Providence after. Losira only attended one MLG before Providence, when he was invited. | ||
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Sublimexx
Great Britain23 Posts
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
That's my take on it anyway. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:52 Treemonkeys wrote: Of course, but I can't just blame GSL when MLG was the one who admittedly was promising things they had no control or even a legally binding agreement over. nobody ever gets full information. you'll just have to form your opinions based on imperfect information. mlg said that they didn't know because GOM didn't tell them, and that GOM was within its rights under the contract. | ||
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seabass
Canada15 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:53 4of8 wrote: Even saying he is not a 'progamer' That was already explained to be a mistranslation by a third-party, which had nothing to do with GOM and was apologized for. I honestly get not wading through the ~90% shitty posts but when you respout misinformation you're only making it worse. | ||
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Vicarios
56 Posts
It s regardless of culture or ideologies be neutral. Provide a platform for pro players to compete and.... and that's it! If no one violates the __RULES__ keep your asses out of the active games. At Football you can discuss with the refery, in basket not. So people paly according to the rules. Is there a rule to not throw games away? No. Is it professional to change your prices and seeds around as u want? No. Gom failed, and most likely because some people there couldn't get over there egos or korean pride or i don't know what. It s rediculus and people should stop mixing their personal preferences for pride, honour or some other bullshit around with a discussoin about professionalism. No rules violated = no punishment. | ||
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schI2ler
129 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:53 dAPhREAk wrote: i wouldnt expect that there will be anymore releases. mlg and gom's internal dispute (if any, but it appears mlg is not pleased with gom at the moment) will be kept internal. they have made their press releases, they are done. yeah I also HOPE nothing else is released. Let them argue, let them clear the guidelines but let them do it behind closed doors. Transparency and all that sure, but businesspartners sometimes have to talk tough, without worrying about the drama in the scenes. If they argued openly the outcame had to be a breakup of their partnership, and I don't want that, I just want them to stand on the same level, not only MLG needs GOM for the Koreans but GOM also needs MLG for the foreigners. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
Oh the they revoked it? Well it was within their right to do so, but we wish they had told us beforehand, sorry. | ||
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omgimonfire15
United States233 Posts
Note that the entire format was changed before this entire incident happened. Looking at the future format, they are to award 2 S seeds, at least 2 A seeds, and 2 up and down seeds. Where would all of these seeds come from? MLG? If that were the case, I feel as though they should have informed MLG immediately. But i think GOM incorrectly assumed that MLG took notice, and MLG just didn't notice at all because the change was pretty recent and they probably assumed after getting no notice, the format would remain the same (despite the contract only being for the year 2011). I feel it was GOMS fault for not clarifying the new seed system, and MLG for not taking notice or asking. Much ado about nothing in my opinion, and life will go on. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:10 Chill wrote: Whoops! We changed the prizes and didn't tell anyone! Sorry guys! -_- Edit: Of course I mean GOM. lol so true. Im wondering if more organisation gonna do this in the future. "Whats next I know we promise 70k dollars to the winner but we actually decide to change our mind" GomTV calling Naniwa unprofessional and they do something much much worse. This hole insident is a pr nightmare for GomTV. | ||
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Bashnek
Australia895 Posts
But then Gom fails to communicate something which should be pretty big, isnt that just tiniest bit disrespectful? Even if we treat it as completely separate to the naniwa thing (Which it should be, and they're saying it is), its still a swift kick in the nuts to the people at MLG. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:08 Xalorian wrote: Do you see the irony in that? They didn't lied and they had the right to do so, it was not against the rule. But doing it without telling anyone was seriously unprofessional. Naniwa got punished, because he was unprofessional. But, what he did was not against the rule. Weird, is in it? I profousely disagree with GOMTV's actions out of this principle and the fact that objectively NaNiwa broke no rules whatsoever. I'd lie and say I have boycotted the GSL but I don't even watch it anyway because I don't want to use GOM Player and don't want to be forced to watch at 9am GMT | ||
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