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JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 15 2011 21:04 GMT
#201
to argue that they deliberately changed this to screw naniwa is a joke because all the koreans knew providence would not award a code S spot.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
December 15 2011 21:04 GMT
#202
On December 16 2011 05:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote:
Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening.

The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program.

By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was.


lol. a little over-exaggerating there, arent we? MLG will still pay to have koreans shipped over for our enjoyment. they don't need an exchange program to do that. it would be bad business (and completely ridiculous) for MLG not to bring in money-maker koreans to the tournaments. they may, however, not enter into another exchange agreement with GOM, but i doubt that as well. people will lick their wounds and carry on.



Sure MLG is willing to pay to have them come over, but will Korean teams allow ther players to go? We all seen what happened with the NASL, we all know how sensetive the Koreans can be.

BW may still be the game of choice in Korea but for how long? Eventually BW and Kespa are going to switch over. We already know that some teams are starting the transition.

We need the Koreans more then they need us and they know that. Which is why they have the capability to change rules to benefit themselves.

IMO Korean players/teams don't like naniwa because of what happened at MLG, this is GOM's excuse to make those teams happy.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
December 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#203
You guys gonna fuck up the relationship between GOM and MLG then no more koreans at MLGs, keep this bullshit drama going.

Can't you just MOVE ON ?
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s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#204
On December 16 2011 05:07 Captain Peabody wrote:
Yeah, quite strange. It's really not acceptable for GSL to change stuff like this around without notifying their partners. Bad business strategy.
That being said, no real harm done . GOM just needs to make sure nothing like this ever happens again.


Naniwa would disagree
Ghola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States55 Posts
December 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#205
On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.

I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand.


There are ways for Gom to punish Naniwa without breaking their agreements with MLG.
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
December 15 2011 21:05 GMT
#206
On December 16 2011 06:01 Sheldonal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 06:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible?


I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine.


You have got to be kidding me buddy.

Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so.

Mindblowing


What about when MLG promises code S and can't follow through?



Because GOM decides not to tell anyone that they changed the prize? Yeah what about that?


Then MLG says well we have a contract with you so you have to give us that prize.

Instead they basically say there was no legal agreement and gom is ok to change it when they want to.

So MLG is promising things they have no control over, that is wrong on their part.
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 21:06:33
December 15 2011 21:06 GMT
#207
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Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
December 15 2011 21:06 GMT
#208
On December 16 2011 06:04 Treemonkeys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 06:01 Sheldonal wrote:
On December 16 2011 06:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible?


I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine.


You have got to be kidding me buddy.

Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so.

Mindblowing


What about when MLG promises code S and can't follow through?



Because GOM decides not to tell anyone that they changed the prize? Yeah what about that?


...it's the MLG prize that changed, and MLG saying it was just fine for them to change it. GOM is providing the prize but MLG is promising it and calling it a code S spot.


Uhm no, GOM promised it on their own website.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 15 2011 21:06 GMT
#209
On December 16 2011 06:05 Moralez wrote:
You guys gonna fuck up the relationship between GOM and MLG then no more koreans at MLGs, keep this bullshit drama going.

Can't you just MOVE ON ?


Oh please, there's WAY too much money in foreign Esports for GOM to burn bridges.
#2throwed
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
December 15 2011 21:06 GMT
#210
On December 16 2011 06:05 Moralez wrote:
You guys gonna fuck up the relationship between GOM and MLG then no more koreans at MLGs, keep this bullshit drama going.

Can't you just MOVE ON ?

Gom is doing that just fine on their own at the moment.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
December 15 2011 21:06 GMT
#211
Pretty damned unprofessional by GOM.. Fair enough if you feel that what Naniwa did warrented a suspension, but at least have the friggin balls to say so, instead of pussying out like this

I actually felt this before as well, the Korean invites to tournaments of different sorts, always seemed very arbitrary and random to me, even though they made it sound like "X player qualifies because he's rank Y" etc.

No point for MLG to keep up this arrangement now imo..
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Sheldonal
Profile Joined April 2011
United States11 Posts
December 15 2011 21:07 GMT
#212
On December 16 2011 06:04 Treemonkeys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 06:01 Sheldonal wrote:
On December 16 2011 06:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible?


I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine.


You have got to be kidding me buddy.

Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so.

Mindblowing


What about when MLG promises code S and can't follow through?



Because GOM decides not to tell anyone that they changed the prize? Yeah what about that?


...it's the MLG prize that changed, and MLG saying it was just fine for them to change it. GOM is providing the prize but MLG is promising it and calling it a code S spot.


NO its the GOM/MLG exchange program prize. And at the time of the event, things had not changed and EVERYONE was under the impression that the top non code S player would get code S. Now GOM has changed that without telling anyone and you are blaming MLG? Really?....

In reality its the GOM prize not MLG prize because GOM is/was awarding the prize to the mlg player....
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 15 2011 21:07 GMT
#213
On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible?


I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine.


You have got to be kidding me buddy.

Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so.

Mindblowing

well, its more like MLG promising that if you win the tournament a third-party will pay you a million dollars, and then after winning it, the third-party says they aren't going to pay (for whatever reason). MLG promised something that they had no power to give themselves, but were relying on GOM to give, and GOM said although that was the deal in the past, we changed it (sorry for not telling you sooner guys, but enjoy the blizzcup instead).

lesson to be learned: MLG, clarify prize pools before promising them. GOM, be a little more upfront with your announcements so there is no confusion in the future.
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
December 15 2011 21:07 GMT
#214
On December 16 2011 06:05 Ghola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.

I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand.


There are ways for Gom to punish Naniwa without breaking their agreements with MLG.

The MLG press release in the original post specifically says that GOM was within their rights to act as they did. Thus, the did not break their agreement at all--this was in the contract to begin with.
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
December 15 2011 21:07 GMT
#215
On December 16 2011 06:06 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 06:04 JoeSchmoe wrote:
to argue that they deliberately changed this to screw naniwa is a joke because all the koreans knew providence would not award a code S spot.

Source to this? pre mlg one preferably. not one from yesterday.


http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=

ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#216
I could never have imagined how much shit would surface when I first saw those probes floating across the map a couple of days ago. It's quite amazing!
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
December 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#217
On December 16 2011 06:06 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 06:04 Treemonkeys wrote:
On December 16 2011 06:01 Sheldonal wrote:
On December 16 2011 06:00 Treemonkeys wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible?


I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine.


You have got to be kidding me buddy.

Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so.

Mindblowing


What about when MLG promises code S and can't follow through?



Because GOM decides not to tell anyone that they changed the prize? Yeah what about that?


...it's the MLG prize that changed, and MLG saying it was just fine for them to change it. GOM is providing the prize but MLG is promising it and calling it a code S spot.


Uhm no, GOM promised it on their own website.


Since before the website changed? I don't think it's there now, but it was still MLG promoting every time they had a tournament.

Can we look at what GOM actually promised? Does anyone have that?
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
December 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#218
On December 16 2011 06:05 Moralez wrote:
You guys gonna fuck up the relationship between GOM and MLG then no more koreans at MLGs, keep this bullshit drama going.

Can't you just MOVE ON ?


Korean players arent owned by GOM, like under Kespa... If its worthwhile for Koreans to come to foreign tournaments, they are completely free to do so
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#219
On December 16 2011 06:05 Moralez wrote:
You guys gonna fuck up the relationship between GOM and MLG then no more koreans at MLGs, keep this bullshit drama going.

Can't you just MOVE ON ?


Look pal, there is a point in which you have to stand for something. GOM's bait-and-switch, unilateral decisions have really enraged a big part of the community and for a good reason. GOM stated Naniwa's behavior was unprofessional blah blah.. this latest bit of information, make them look so unprofessional and hypocritical, it's not even funny.. GOM should release an apology to all the community, and most of all Naniwa for having screwed him big time.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#220
On December 16 2011 06:04 JoeSchmoe wrote:
to argue that they deliberately changed this to screw naniwa is a joke because all the koreans knew providence would not award a code S spot.


Thats wrong. Interviews with losira and Violet sayd they were comming to get a code S spot so stop making up bullshit
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