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On December 16 2011 06:07 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:05 Ghola wrote:On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.
I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand. There are ways for Gom to punish Naniwa without breaking their agreements with MLG. The MLG press release in the original post specifically says that GOM was within their rights to act as they did. Thus, the did not break their agreement at all--this was in the contract to begin with.
They're technically in their rights to do so because of the format change. It's still shady as fuck.
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On December 16 2011 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:04 magnaflow wrote:On December 16 2011 05:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote:
Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening.
The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program.
By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was.
lol. a little over-exaggerating there, arent we? MLG will still pay to have koreans shipped over for our enjoyment. they don't need an exchange program to do that. it would be bad business (and completely ridiculous) for MLG not to bring in money-maker koreans to the tournaments. they may, however, not enter into another exchange agreement with GOM, but i doubt that as well. people will lick their wounds and carry on. Sure MLG is willing to pay to have them come over, but will Korean teams allow ther players to go? We all seen what happened with the NASL, we all know how sensetive the Koreans can be. BW may still be the game of choice in Korea but for how long? Eventually BW and Kespa are going to switch over. We already know that some teams are starting the transition. We need the Koreans more then they need us and they know that. Which is why they have the capability to change rules to benefit themselves. IMO Korean players/teams don't like naniwa because of what happened at MLG, this is GOM's excuse to make those teams happy. ummm, yes, the korean teams will let their players come over. NASL wasn't willing to pay them enough (except for a decent stipend the koreans thumbed their noses at), and that is why koreans didn't participate. there is no reason to think that koreans wont come if MLG pays the full amount of travel. we don't need the koreans; we want the koreans. and koreans are hurting for money in sc2 more than non-korean teams, so they don't get to do whatever they want. your conspiracy theories about naniwa and mlg are unfounded.
Agreed -- Korean teams want/need money.
And fans want to see Koreans.
I mean, wasn't it just last MLG that fans on Reddit paid for MarineKingPrime to go to MLG? Clearly--fans want to see Koreans.
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On December 16 2011 06:09 ZeromuS wrote:
Um I think people need to realise when blizcup was announced, the 1st and 2nd place providence winners were going to be invited. I am sure since the 2012 season of gsl is changing format it stands to reason that the code S seeds couldn't be honoured in 2012 so the providence seeds went to the last gomtv tournament from 2011.
It makes sense and if MLG doesn't seem outraged and says its within GOM's right to change the way the seeds work (so long as there are still seeds) then there must have been a clause in their deal (contract or whatever) so that the seeds dont need to be for GSL but for a GOMtv run SC2 tournament
Also, in EGAlex's blog about the naniwa incident he says idra was invited as a seed into GSL 2012 tournament well in advance of blizzcup even starting.
Sen is the replacement invite for Naniwa. Idra was invited earlier.
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BOOM Nothing to add. Naniwa was wrong. Esport is great :D
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On December 16 2011 06:07 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:05 Ghola wrote:On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.
I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand. There are ways for Gom to punish Naniwa without breaking their agreements with MLG. The MLG press release in the original post specifically says that GOM was within their rights to act as they did. Thus, the did not break their agreement at all--this was in the contract to begin with.
Are you fucking kidding me??? If an organizer offers you a certain prize and announces it publicly, and then when you win tells you the prize is not what he/she promised you because of a fine print in page 500 of a contract he signed with a third party, what would you do?? I guess if you are not worked up about it, the natural thing to say would be "oh well, that's what I get for dealing with crooks and liars" .. this is something you'd never expect from an organization that is trying to market themselves as professional and ethical.
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It seems that Naniwa, with a mere 7 probes, has opened Pandora's box.
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Okay so, GOM already said the replaced the code S spot with a spot @ BLIZZ CUP which is way better. They sad the were thinking about inviting Nani into code S but after his attitude, they decided not to.
So what are you guys bitching about?
Keep shitting on GOM and ull see no more non krs @ code S / A besides Huk.
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poor mods will get no rest this Xmas.....shit just keep popping up T.T
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Naniwa gets ton of shit for making GOM and esports look bad, even though he technically didnt break any rule.
Now GOM has made MLG and esports look bad, even though they technically didnt break any rule. Discuss.
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In before GOM posts an "explanatory statement" trying to dodge the bullet, which will explain nothing and only create more questions.
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On December 16 2011 06:15 Bagration wrote:
It seems that Naniwa, with a mere 7 probes, has opened Pandora's box.
I'm reminded of the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy episode...so is the community supposed to be Mandy? *sigh* It's going to be such a chore to slam that box closed with a straight (i.e. not enraged) face.
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guys i study intercultural communication and today i found interestin thing about South Korea, Here JUST LISTEN TO THIS SHIT AND YOULL SEE WHY GOM MAKES THIS ALL:
They may use aggression or ignorance to divert attention from their actions but do not apologize for their original error at any cast.
This is exactly HOW GOM IS ACTING
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On December 16 2011 06:14 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:07 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 06:05 Ghola wrote:On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.
I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand. There are ways for Gom to punish Naniwa without breaking their agreements with MLG. The MLG press release in the original post specifically says that GOM was within their rights to act as they did. Thus, the did not break their agreement at all--this was in the contract to begin with. Are you fucking kidding me??? If an organizer offers you a certain prize and announces it publicly, and then when you win tells you the prize is not what he/she promised you because of a fine print in page 500 of a contract he signed with a third party, what would you do?? I guess if you are not worked up about it, the natural thing to say would be "oh well, that's what I get for dealing with crooks and liars" .. this is something you'd never expect from an organization that is trying to market themselves as professional and ethical.
Uh, so are you arguing that MLG broke their promise to Naniwa then?
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People keep mixing up different issues. GOM screwed up in not telling MLG. But that is a different matter than the issue with Naniwa. Blame GOM all you want for this but don't think this somehow excuses Naniwa.
With that being said, it seems to me like GOM at the same time changed the rules but didn't inform anyone as they were certain of Naniwa's code S seed. That is, from their point of view even if the rules were changed the outcome would still be the same as before, so to the outside nothing would change. But then Naniwa defied destiny and caused an outrage. Clearly GOM's decision was hasty and not fully thought out and now they will get some flak for it.
With that also being said, some people who are trying to make this Korea against Foreigners are dumber than my pair of shoes.
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On December 16 2011 06:15 Bagration wrote:
It seems that Naniwa, with a mere 7 probes, has opened Pandora's box.
It only took 6 probes, the 7th never got there... such efficiency, all of Pandora's Box with so few workers! 
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On December 16 2011 06:12 zeru wrote:post mlg, :/
well no shit. the article is discussing whether Naniwa is a top contender for a code S spot under the new system given his performance at MLG.
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For me to not watch the GSL, GOM has to try just a little harder.
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Well, I'd already been going GSL-free these past few weeks anyways; might as well make it an intentional boycott.
Not that they'd care about me, but this is just bad business practice.
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On December 16 2011 06:13 Ghola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:07 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 06:05 Ghola wrote:On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.
I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand. There are ways for Gom to punish Naniwa without breaking their agreements with MLG. The MLG press release in the original post specifically says that GOM was within their rights to act as they did. Thus, the did not break their agreement at all--this was in the contract to begin with. They're technically in their rights to do so because of the format change. It's still shady as fuck.
You know it reminds me of someone who did something that was technically within his right, but was deemed unethical and highly unprofessional by someone. If only I could remember where.
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On December 16 2011 06:12 Fungal Growth wrote:The official statement is out and is DIFFERENT than the preview statement SD shared earlier. The OP should update this accordingly. Source: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/official-mlg-statement-regarding-the-naniwa-code-s-issueShow nested quote +The original agreement between MLG and GSL through the League Exchange Program (LXP) stated that the highest ranked player in the Top 3 from each MLG Pro Circuit event in 2011, including Providence, who did not already have Code S status would be granted Code S status at GSL for one season.
With the recently announced changes to the 2012 GSL season, GSL switched the MLG Providence Code S invite to two spots at the GSL Blizzard Cup. Naniwa was awarded one of these spots. Unfortunately, the change was made without notification to MLG, but it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement.
Thx, updated.
Please PM me, if anyone has other additions.
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