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On December 16 2011 05:53 Ansinjunger wrote:
I think Doa's post was the fairest one I've seen on the whole mess, by shedding light on both Naniwa and GOM's point of view. If anything's true, all sides need to practice greater patience and understanding of each other.
Can you link this?
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As I've said from the start.
GOM fked up majorly in this case, whether you are a naniwa or GOM supporter.
I'm not approving what GOM did but the actions they took were completely unjustified.
This thread only confirms that.
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On December 16 2011 05:55 SnoLys wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 05:07 zeru wrote:
So basically MLG Providence code S prize was an unintentional bait and switch, made by GOM? wtf.
Bait and switches are illegal, in the US at least i think. This is not ok by GOM. Uhh, bait and switch? What did they bait Naniwa to do? Are you suggesting he wouldn't have played MLG Providence if he knew that he couldn't win a Code S spot in it? Nothing that occurred here is illegal, btw. Maybe not him, but what about the other players that attended Providence? They thought that there was a Code S on the line. That Code S spot for some Korean players is one of the major incentives to go to MLG. Keen dropped to Code A and decides to attend his first MLG after that, Providence. Losira dropped to Code A and went to Providence after. Losira only attended one MLG before Providence, when he was invited.
If a Korean or someone else had won MLG Providence and believed they had GSL from it, and GOM had made this identical announcement and that player did not get into Code S, I would join you in outrage.
However, as it stands, GSL's statement itself said that prior to Naniwa's actions, his MLG win had put him on top of the list for receiving an GSL invitation. Thus, despite this change in policy and lack of clarity, Naniwa was still going to get Code S but for the Naniwa-Nestea incident.
Now, we can argue until we're blue in the face whether the punishment for that fits the crime, but the fact is that this change in policy was not going to hurt Naniwa in any way, until the Nestea game.
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On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine.
You have got to be kidding me buddy.
Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so.
Mindblowing
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What happened here really isn't surprising to me. Remember what happened when Jinro said in an aftermatch interview that he might have heard the public when Idra tried rushing him? They censored it out to cover their asses. I believe this might be some kind of critical difference in the way we view these kind of things in the west vs in the east.... That said, I do feel disgusted.
CD
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On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine. You have got to be kidding me buddy. Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so. Mindblowing
What about when MLG promises code S and can't follow through?
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Shady move by GOM, but it's not like anybody can do anything about it it seems.
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On December 16 2011 05:59 cantdance wrote:
What happened here really isn't surprising to me. Remember what happened when Jinro said in an aftermatch interview that he might have heard the public when Idra tried rushing him? They censored it out to cover their asses. I believe this might be some kind of critical difference in the way we view these kind of things in the west vs in the east.... That said, I do feel disgusted.
CD
really? this is great  thx for the info, just fits into the picture.
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On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine. You have got to be kidding me buddy. Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so. Mindblowing
... Except that here both parties to teh MLG/GOM contract say that GOM was within their rights. And further, here GOM did not directly profit from the misunderstading, as they do not directly make any revenue from MLG, either in entry fees, broadcasting rights, royalties, or other things, as far as I know.
Thus, apples and oranges.
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those koreans shame on them-self because they dont want to lose face, TOTALLY JOKING
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On December 16 2011 05:58 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:55 SnoLys wrote:On December 16 2011 05:26 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 05:07 zeru wrote:
So basically MLG Providence code S prize was an unintentional bait and switch, made by GOM? wtf.
Bait and switches are illegal, in the US at least i think. This is not ok by GOM. Uhh, bait and switch? What did they bait Naniwa to do? Are you suggesting he wouldn't have played MLG Providence if he knew that he couldn't win a Code S spot in it? Nothing that occurred here is illegal, btw. Maybe not him, but what about the other players that attended Providence? They thought that there was a Code S on the line. That Code S spot for some Korean players is one of the major incentives to go to MLG. Keen dropped to Code A and decides to attend his first MLG after that, Providence. Losira dropped to Code A and went to Providence after. Losira only attended one MLG before Providence, when he was invited. If a Korean or someone else had won MLG Providence and believed they had GSL from it, and GOM had made this identical announcement and that player did not get into Code S, I would join you in outrage. However, as it stands, GSL's statement itself said that prior to Naniwa's actions, his MLG win has put him on top of the list for receiving an GSL invitation. Thus, despite this change in policy and lack of clarity, Naniwa was still going to get Code S but for the Naniwa-Nestea incident. Now, we can argue until we're blue in the face whether the punishment for that fits the crime, but the fact is that this change in policy was not going to hurt Naniwa in any way, until the Nestea game.
I agree with this. I think what happened was that GOM changed the format and this would change the way the MLG-GSL exchange worked. As Naniwa did so well in MLG it immediately vaulted him to the top (or near it) of the list and so GOM didn't really feel the need to inform MLG that the Code S spot wasn't the direct seed from Providence, but rather a sponsor seed. Of course then Blizzard Cup happened and so all the miscommunication from everyone came to light.
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On December 16 2011 05:08 Xalorian wrote:
Do you see the irony in that?
They didn't lied and they had the right to do so, it was not against the rule. But doing it without telling anyone was seriously unprofessional.
Naniwa got punished, because he was unprofessional. But, what he did was not against the rule.
Weird, is in it?
LOL wowww, I actually laughed out loud about this. You're exactly right though! GOM basically did exactly what NaNiwa did: "It's not against the rules but it's unprofessional."
Quoting this just so more people notice this hilarious (and all too true) example of GOM's hypocrisy.
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On December 16 2011 06:00 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine. You have got to be kidding me buddy. Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so. Mindblowing What about when MLG promises code S and can't follow through?
Because GOM decides not to tell anyone that they changed the prize? Yeah what about that?
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this is not ok! everyone thought naniwa hade a sure code S spot.. even the mlg article writers.. also close to every other scene website! gsl/mlg should have told everyone this is false, but they didnt.. i think mlg didnt, because they thought nani was awarded an code S spot.. even the casters told that if i remeber correctly!
way to unprofessional by gom!
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They have altered the deal...pray they do not alter it any further.
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There needs to be some sort of Pro-Gamer union or something
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I bought all tickets except season 1, however I will wait with buying a new ticket until this all gets solved. Didn't like their stance towards naniwa and this is just unprofessional.
Need more mlgs.
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GOM will have to accept the consequences for their actions. They will lose business over this, and rightfully so.
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On December 16 2011 06:01 Sheldonal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:00 Treemonkeys wrote:On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine. You have got to be kidding me buddy. Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so. Mindblowing What about when MLG promises code S and can't follow through? Because GOM decides not to tell anyone that they changed the prize? Yeah what about that?
...it's the MLG prize that changed, and MLG saying it was just fine for them to change it. GOM is providing the prize but MLG is promising it and calling it a code S spot.
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On December 16 2011 05:59 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:53 lightsentry wrote:On December 16 2011 05:51 Brett wrote:
So do people STILL accept that GOM is completely blameless in this situation? Do you STILL beleive that they are infallible? I don't believe that anything is infallible, but yeah I still have my opinion that GOM isn't wrong and what they did was fine. You have got to be kidding me buddy. Its the same thing if MLG promise 1 million dollars to a winner of a tournament and then decide aftwards to change it becuase its in there power todo so. Mindblowing
Regardless of whether or not it was morally wrong and somewhat unethical, the fact that they had never given out a blizz cup invite at a previous MLG and henceforth decided to change the code s invite BASED ON THE BLIZZ CUP INVITES GOING OUT AT PROVIDENCE is very logical, they simply botched announcing it until after a recent incident with NaNiWa a player involved in TWO SEPARATE DEALINGS WITH GOM, and caused the mess we see now. People acting like they changed things because NaNiWa would have gotten Code S are not providing any realistic argument other than hurr durr fanboy rage GOM.
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