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On December 16 2011 05:34 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:32 ptz wrote:
from what i seem to remember the deal between gom and mlg was that mlg would invite 4 koreans and place them in championship play -1 in each pool - while gom would give code S seed to highest noncode S player at MLG. This happened throughout the regular MLG stops.
But Providence was the final for the year, there was no championship play and no seeded koreans, the entire bracket was made from the previous tour placements so basically gom was not given 4 free seeds as before, simply players were seeded according to previous MLG results. No championship bracket at Providence. Hence why there is no reciprocity in the deal for Providence imo. MLG did not seed korean players they did a seed of their best 16 players from the year, hence no reason for Gom to award a code S spot, they did award 2 Blizzcup invitationals.
If MLG did seed 4 koreans in their bracket not based on previous mlg results, then gom should award code S seed, otherwise i see no reason for them to do so. MLG paid and invited for four koreans to attend MLG, the news is somewhere on the MLG site
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/official-mlg-statement-regarding-the-naniwa-code-s-issue
Providence was included in the league exchange. By MLG's admission Gom can change the prize whenever they want but you know it helps to inform your partner so they don't go awarding prizes that no longer exist.
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On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote:
Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening.
The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program.
By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was.
this time we got the money... koreans will come, don't worry
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On December 16 2011 05:30 sVnteen wrote:
lol @ gom
they punish naniwa for being unprofessional while just making rules and changes on the fly without even telling anyone about it
how unprofessional can you get lol
just ...... gom for you
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On December 16 2011 05:41 Siaubunas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:39 Testuser wrote:
IS THERE A RULES WHICH STATES THAT GOM CAN'T CHANGE THE PRIZE?! IF NOT, THEN THEY'RE IN THEIR RIGHTS.
(Me, trying to defend the way people seem to defend naniwa)
Seriously, noone is making sound arguments. Can we just get past this. Please. Let's all be friends. How about argument: GOM is disrepectfull towards their clients?
I might even say unprofessional.
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There was a similar (most likely unintentional) bait and switch involved around the Coca accident - namely, at the time of playing, the tournament was in re-negotiating their terms with GOM, and so even the monthly finals of it were not yet confirmed to grant any Code A spot at all again (as has been widely assumed and erroneously spread around).
I just find it to be a funny coincidence that in both cases we have a tournament that is publicly assumed to grant a certain GSL slot, that after the accident turns out to not be the case actually. But still, it's just that, a funny coincidence. (and I'm seriously not sarcastic, I just find it amusing)
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I kinda hope GOMTV awards Naniwa a code S seed for the GSL (March?) 2012 season.
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While I feel sorry for Naniwa and MLG alike, the "Naniwa-incident" has really gotten way too much attention. Let's drop it now, before (more) drama ensues.
Disappointed, GOM.
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I understand MLG are trying to harbor good relations between themselves and GOM but they should probably be a bit more overtly angry at GOM, they fucked you guys over don't be completely spineless.
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On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote:
Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening.
The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program.
By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was.
lol. a little over-exaggerating there, arent we? MLG will still pay to have koreans shipped over for our enjoyment. they don't need an exchange program to do that. it would be bad business (and completely ridiculous) for MLG not to bring in money-maker koreans to the tournaments. they may, however, not enter into another exchange agreement with GOM, but i doubt that as well. people will lick their wounds and carry on.
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On December 16 2011 05:39 Gfire wrote:The foreigner community wasn't very well informed about the situation. For some reason, people assumed that he got both a Blizzard Cup invite and Code S invite for placing in Providence. From GOM's perspective, I'd imagine they thought it was pretty clear when they said that the Providence top players would get into the Blizzard cup, it was instead of a Code S seed, which isn't too much of a stretch considering the LXP was only for the duration of 2011 and the next Code S is in 2012. They thought of also invite Naniwa into code S January anyway, as one of the top foreigners (just like how Idra and Sen are getting in,) so everyone thought he was getting a seed from Providence, and we didn't hear otherwise until they decided he wasn't eligible for the invitation. I think the Koreans all knew what was going on, it just didn't make it to the foreigners. They obviously made this decision before the Blizzard cup (or else Naniwa wouldn't have been there,  ) and it was probably before Providence as well.
They announced Blizzard cup before they even announced the format changes for 2012, someone linked it in this thread. This whole nonsense of him never having a Code S seed instantly began when they decided to take it away from him. Funny how not ONCE did they ever try to clear the record until it was time to "punish" Naniwa. It stinks to high heaven.
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On December 16 2011 05:43 schI2ler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote:
Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening.
The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program.
By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was.
this time we got the money... koreans will come, don't worry
I don't think we should turn this into Foreigner versus Korea.
Fact is, this was an action by GOM, not Korean pro gamers. Like it or not, it was GOM.
Further, this didn't really hurt foreign progamers as a whole--it hurt Naniwa, but it helped someone else (probably Sen, assuming he wouldn't get the spot otherwise).
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On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote:
Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening.
The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program.
By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was.
shit they will do, they need the international attention. BW is still bigger in korea and without the international scene and rising prize money, forget about the gsl tournament, that, up until now, has often been a joke anyway ( finals ).
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On December 16 2011 05:42 magnaflow wrote:
Soon enough we will no longer see Koreans participating in foreign events and we will be right back to BW. Koreans are going to isolate themselves again with shit like this happening.
The way most of this community has been shitting on GOM I could really see them saying fuck it to any type of exchange program.
By the end of 2012 SC2 will be non-existant in foreign lands, just like BW was.
There will be just another korean (or not) organisation wich will be more professional.
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On December 16 2011 05:36 castled wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Nani "earned" a code S invite, he threw it away by disrespecting GOM, his opponent, and the viewers. I hope GOM doesn't feel pressure to reverse their decision because so many vocal posters on Teamliquid don't understand the meaning of respect.
I'm really sick of this whole controversy because no matter how many level-headed evaluations are posted, there are so many people that will never understand.
I think your a bit off here, the part about respect is important but it dose go both ways.
Naniwa should be reprimanded for the probe-rush, and how GOM choses to do this is up to them. But if they misguide business partners and make them lie to the participants at MLG and the world wide viewers then that is unprofessional. And in light of GOM's resent statements on how morals, honor, respect and professionalism is central to there organization then they should show it. Not lie to the fans, players and business partners.
The important thing here is that they can do whatever they want, even going back on their word, if it they want to. And I for one do not want that in the Pro gaming scene.
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Funny how GOM punished naniwa for being unprofessional but they are being just as if not more unprofessional than him at the same time...
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well, fair enough, as long as there is no justifiable conflict, things will sort itself out eventually.
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On December 16 2011 05:44 figq wrote:
There was a similar (most likely unintentional) bait and switch involved around the Coca accident - namely, at the time of playing, the tournament was in re-negotiating their terms with GOM, and so even the monthly finals of it were not yet confirmed to grant any Code A spot at all again (as has been widely assumed and erroneously spread around).
I just find it to be a funny coincidence that in both cases we have a tournament that is publicly assumed to grant a certain GSL slot, that after the accident turns out to not be the case actually. But still, it's just that, a funny coincidence. (and I'm seriously not sarcastic, I just find it amusing)
Does ESV no longer give out a code A spot? I never even heard of this. As a result of the Coca-incident? Do you have a link?
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On December 16 2011 05:41 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:39 Hubris wrote:On December 16 2011 05:37 Siaubunas wrote:On December 16 2011 05:30 Regime wrote:
this is becoming very lame it is just naniwa its not huk or idra or sen or any much loved progamer in korea, it was naniwa's own fault for losing on purpose in any otehr spot he would be banned for at least 2 years if not life. lets wrap up this topic It's not about Naniwa anymore. No, it's about a sense of hurt pride and fanboyism. If you think so please leave these threads because you don't get the problem. It's about an tournament and prizes which changed after the tournament was played.
It defiantly is. There's no arguement here. GOM can change the prize anytime they wish and still be in their rights. There's not a single rule or law stating they have to give Code S to anyone, and it was worked out well before that the providence winners got Bizzcup invites. Naniwa was going to be invited to Code S like Idra/Sen were, in their new wildcard system, until he acted in an insulting manner. For which they discharged his potential award, well within their rights to do so and Naniwa has agreed and apologized. The only issue left is the mob mentality that someone has to pay for punishing Naniwa in a legitimate fashion. This is probably due to fanboyism/regional pride of the player. It has no basis in reality.
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Very disappointing to see from GOM. Wouldn't have expected it. If they had dropped the spot because of the whole Nani thing I might have agreed with the move, but when it is just done randomly? Just seems like intentional bad PR.
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