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On December 19 2011 19:39 fish83814 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
They do? I didn't know that. In any case, I'd be really thankful if I were Taiwanese that a country that could conquer mine at a whim has not to this day and seems to have no intent of doing so. they can't do that not without causing serious international consequences and it won't do if they just blow us into pieces they wont want to conquer a ruin
They couldn't in the past, because the Taiwanese government was the old Chinese government that fled from Mao, giving them a main seat in the UN, and today both countries are a part of UN, so they cant 
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On December 21 2011 08:37 miushock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events Mainland and Taiwan are rule by different government, that has been a fact for more than 60 years. The complication is the majority of mainlander and about half Taiwanese actually think there should only be one China, the current situation is just a left over by unfinished civil war. From PRC's perspective, seeking to participate in international events AS INDEPENDENT COUNTRY is touching the buttom line and denying the future possibility of re-unite (for example, participating WCG as independent contry). Actually there's something called 1992 consensus to address this issue, which is probably really hard to understand by ppl not much involved in this issue. What it says is basically both sides agree that there's only one China, but represent this very "China" differently. PRC agrees that Taiwan is eligible to get invovled with international events as the Taiwan province of ROC, in return Taiwan cease to seek for identity as independent county in those events. The offically name of Taiwan team in Olympic games is actually Chinese Taipei, and the Olympic flag is actually raised per there're any Taiwan medalist. After all this is probably one of the most complicated political issue ever existed. There's really no hate between mainlanders and Taiwanese, but both side fell into politic tarpit and struggling to make a move without hurting other aspect of the existing order. We sc2 lovers shall not complicate this furthur more and simply enjoy the game.
This might be the most concise and accurate statement about chinese-taiwan relations I have read in a gaming forum.
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On December 21 2011 21:25 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:39 fish83814 wrote:On December 19 2011 19:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
They do? I didn't know that. In any case, I'd be really thankful if I were Taiwanese that a country that could conquer mine at a whim has not to this day and seems to have no intent of doing so. they can't do that not without causing serious international consequences and it won't do if they just blow us into pieces they wont want to conquer a ruin They couldn't in the past, because the Taiwanese government was the old Chinese government that fled from Mao, giving them a main seat in the UN, and today both countries are a part of UN, so they cant
This is very misleading. Taiwan, or ROC, is NOT part of UN. PRC replaced ROC's position as permanent member of UN security concil in 1971.
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On December 16 2011 04:39 Straylight wrote:
Anyone know what PJ is up to these days?
maybe a businessman
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On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events
台湾的兄弟,国家统一大势所趋,共产党是很强大滴
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On December 21 2011 02:54 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events I'm pretty sure the language is called 'Mandrin', not chinese.
as a chinese ,as i know ,mandarin comes from the Qing dynasty(the last dynasty in china,the Man nationality ),now china is new china ,95%people is the Han nationality,i think the language is called chinese .BTW most chinese dont konw what is mandrin
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On December 17 2011 21:15 hahaimhenry wrote:
Sky needs to quit WC3 and just start playing SC2 so he doesn't miss an opportunity like this!
sky won't play SC2,infi does,infi is a genius
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On December 17 2011 13:14 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared. blizzard has done an awful job at promoting sc2 in asia from what i hear.
you are right ,blizzard choosed a wrong ally(neteasy) in china
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On December 16 2011 16:37 SystemXN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 16:13 haduken wrote:
Wait wait... iG.Edison's last name is Chen? ROFL iG.EdIsOn's last name is Wu. I think Chinese fans call him Chen because of that famous Edison Chen.
...you know edison chen!!!!!!!!
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On December 16 2011 07:22 rauk wrote:
if we were to just go by the top players in china by results in their team league right now it'd be
f91
loner
yhy
xy
super
macsed
loveTT
F91
loner
xigua
the best player i think
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On December 16 2011 03:31 henjai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:30 Rockztar wrote:
What other Chinese Terrans besides Loner should we look out for if this happens? infi was top of the ladder for a while, also a top wc3 player but has disappeared lately
right ,infi play both sc2 and wc3 now ,but WC3 IS more improtant for him
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