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In a recent interview (in Chinese), the coach of the Chinese team Invictus Gaming, iG.EdIsOn, revealed that he is planning to organize a China Union Team to participate in GSTL after Chinese New Year (23rd, Jan).
EdIsOn said during his stay at WCG, he talked with some Korean coaches about setting up a team for GSTL. He is still in negotiation with GOMTV over some details and expects to get confirmed ASAP. Once confirmed, he will set about organizing the team. The China Union Team will consist of around five players from different Chinese teams.
Related origin Chinese text
+ Show Spoiler +PLU.CN：韩国选手他们有没有自己带在身边的教练呢，你有关注过他们吗？
iG.EdIsOn：那肯定有的，他们都很辛勤的忙碌在灯光背后。这次WCG之行还请他们吃了下饭（我的20W。。），谈了很多关于年后组建China Union Team进军韩国GSL的事宜。
注：之后也和陈老师聊了会，现在和GSTL方面还在协商中，会尽快确认下来，并且一旦确认下来之后就会着手开始组建China Union Team，据悉这支队伍预计会有5名左右的队员。陈老师也表示一旦有好消息会第一时间通知大家的。
Some updates (thanks to digmouse):
On December 16 2011 16:42 digmouse wrote:
Some updates:
Sen is not likely to be part of this Chinese Team.
Negotiation among the top Chinese teams are underway, it's up to them to send players or not, currently we can only confirm most iG members will go.
There is over 50% possibility that this will come true, but nothing is on the table yet.
No problem at all on Korean side, even they might give Code A spots for them.
And EdIsOn said they would go to Korea in March if everything went well. So it's not likely that they will attend GSTL 2012 Season 1.
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that would be sick, would love to see more chinese players compete with the best.
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Oooooo this would be sickkkkkkk they would probably do really well because of an extreme focus on the team league (no individual league) and the fact there is just not that many replays and info on them.
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Mmmm..
Chinese players gogo!
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It would be a dream come true if XiaOt and MacSed both play for China Union Team.
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Wow, that would be awesome!!
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On December 16 2011 00:51 CodeskyE wrote:
It would be a dream come true if XiaOt and MacSed both play for China Union Team.
Exactly my thougts, but don't XiaOt coach now mostly, instead of playing himself?
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Ohhhhh, I hope that all teams will try to feed this guys their best players.
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Asian Pride and Chinese Pride? Yaaaaaaaaay so much pride all around!
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On December 16 2011 00:54 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 00:51 CodeskyE wrote:
It would be a dream come true if XiaOt and MacSed both play for China Union Team. Exactly my thougts, but don't XiaOt coach now mostly, instead of playing himself?
exactly T__T i LOVE XiaOt but he went on coaching~managing duties T___T
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That's... awesome. I'd love to see more of xiaOt coaching MacSed, XiGua and all the rest of the great Chinese players that haven't had the chance to play that much and show their skill
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United States23455 Posts
I'm all for this. China vs. Korea would be a good selling point to get even more people to see the games. We also would get to see how the Chinese players have improved after saying they aren't far off from the Koreans; see if they can put up or shut up.
I would guess that the final team would probably be EG or an American/European team.
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nice, more foreigners in Korea is good for global eSports!
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Finally, a team with Protoss and Zerg centric.
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France1887 Posts
It would be great to see Chinese players in GSTL, especially after their good run in WCG 2011 (3 players in the Top 16).
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Nice hopefully this move into Korea means we will see more Chinese gamers in other foreign events such as MLG or DreamHack soon!
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Ah, that'd be super exciting! XiGua, Uhen, MacSed, Loner, and Infi?
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中国！！！ GLHF, I really hope to see China step up to the plate and make international esports more interesting. Plus, I'm in China now and plan on living in China a lot in the future, would love to see a growing group of sc2 fans here so I can hang out with them :D
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yes yes yes! Fucking great! CHina has such amazing players!
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Nice. We see very little of the Chinese players outside of China, so any opportunity to see more of the Chinese style is a good thing in my books.
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Great news! Hoping to see Xigua, Loner, F91 and co. playing! Gogo and do it!
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Holy check! More chinese exposure and potential to really engage the huge chinese market, awesome!
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SHIZZ is getting real man ! china is sick
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United States4126 Posts
This would really emphasize the G in GSTL!
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Would be amazing - so many more opportunities to see these Chinese stars in action
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Would be really cool! We see too little of ''China Style'' as it is ^^.
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More international competition in the GSTL would be really great and maybe we will have some Chinese player in the GSL Code S tournament. Go China!
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On December 16 2011 01:14 tree.hugger wrote:
Ah, that'd be super exciting! XiGua, Uhen, MacSed, Loner, and Infi?
I hope F91 also
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I approve of this message and I hope to see them in the next GSTL!
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That would be really awesome. I am really looking forward to this!
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Awesome, the Chinese players have really impressed me so far and I hope they can continue to improve and be competitive with the Koreans!
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My prediction of players in this team:
- XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
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XiaoT doesnt play SC2 as progamer anymore, even coaching. iG's coach is iG.EdIsOn now.
I guess the team is iG centric, may includes iG.XiGua, iG.MacSed and iG.XY (a potential Terran player who is really famous among chinese community). Another two maybe WE.Loner and WE.LoveCD because iG's coach EdIsOn had been their coach for a long time when he was in WE and they are really familiar.
LoveTT said he had no interest in foreign tournaments (GSL) I remember.
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I really hope they figure it out and actually form a team. Hopefully with more than 5 members. Something like 7-8 would benefit them more in GSTL.
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It's always nice to see a foreigner team try and compete with the Korean heavy-hitters. I think they'll do well if they get stacked up 
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This better happen. I wanna see F91 destroying peeps again.
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On December 16 2011 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It's always nice to see a foreigner team try and compete with the Korean heavy-hitters. I think they'll do well if they get stacked up
So far, only two foreigner teams have ever competed in the GSL. FXOpen (before they assimilated fOu into their team) and F. United. F United was in reality a coalition of several players whom had made it into the GSL such as Fenix, ThorZaIN and NaNiwa and three players from the now defunct Korean team WeMadeFOX.
Both teams rarely showed nuggets of brilliance, such as when Fenix and Qxc committed all-kills. Otherwise, they were victims to ROFLstomps.
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i want more of that China vs Korea rivalry.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PLEASE
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hope this happens, always been a fan of the chinese scene (especially what they've done for dota)
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On December 16 2011 02:06 Clbull wrote:My prediction of players in this team: - XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
pretty solid, but Ace has been inactive from competetive scene for a while, this spot might be LoveTT, also you should count F91 and Macsed in.
my roster are:
XiGua
Macsed
Uhen
F91
LoveTT
Sen
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Would be awesome! I also hope and pray for Gamma Bears to play GSTL !!!
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infi has to be included in this team and fingers crossed players like fly and th000 will switch over full time now that WCG is over.
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On December 16 2011 00:49 Myrista wrote:
xigua's revenge is now
lol i thought the same thing
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Oh I like that a lot, great news! Here's hoping more foreign teams work towards getting their own spot there without piggybacking on the already established Korean teams (even though it has been good to see the various team alliances popping up).
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what would be the lineup? (hope to see F91 somewhere  )
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It seems one does simply walk into Mordor GOM's competitions.
Can't we have a stable team lineup for GSTL, we'll never get to Proleague level this way.
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Would be really cool, I would love to see them compete. I think they would do decently well.
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On December 16 2011 02:49 Talin wrote:
It seems one does simply walk into Mordor GOM's competitions.
Can't we have a stable team lineup for GSTL, we'll never get to Proleague level this way.
Because having a "Team 8" is stable right? 
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GSTL is by far my favourite tournament, this should be awesome!
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Chinese players have the mindset and environment to become world class level. All they need is a place to practice and compete.
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On December 16 2011 02:51 Zarjax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:49 Talin wrote:
It seems one does simply walk into Mordor GOM's competitions.
Can't we have a stable team lineup for GSTL, we'll never get to Proleague level this way. Because having a "Team 8" is stable right?
Well no, but there was no other way.
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Given the relationship between Taiwan and China, I doubt Sen would participate on a "China Union" team.
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I really want F91 to go. BW pride~ king of dogs
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On December 16 2011 02:57 shaberu wrote:
Given the relationship between Taiwan and China, I doubt Sen would participate on a "China Union" team.
On the other hand, not everyone mixes politics with sport! I don't think there's any animosity between the people of each country, anyway
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Wowowowowow.
XioaT, MacSed, Uhen, Jim, F91, XiGua.
That's one hell of a formidable team.
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I've got to say that despite my expectation, China has some really great players (especially XiGua), but many others as we all saw at the last WCG.
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What other Chinese Terrans besides Loner should we look out for if this happens?
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On December 16 2011 03:30 Rockztar wrote:
What other Chinese Terrans besides Loner should we look out for if this happens?
infi was top of the ladder for a while, also a top wc3 player but has disappeared lately
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nice, would love to see some of their players
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Woohoo, going Global for reals!
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Sounds awesome. Chinese SC2 finally opening up to the rest of the world. I just hope they can all get visas.
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seeing chinese players duke it out on the international scene would be FUCKING amazing more global is more fun and more diversity hell yeah! good for chinese sc2 community to get som recognition as well.
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Looking forward to see more of the chinese scene, because what we could see untill now was very exciting.
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This would be massive, I would love to see the GSTL get bigger and more international! ;D
Does Gama bears have a big enough team to send? I was thinking about it before
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would nice to see some non-koreans winning consistently for once. =)
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I don't think they'd do well tbh. From what I've seen in tournaments with Chinese players only Xigua has really stood out
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On December 16 2011 04:31 babo213 wrote:
I don't think they'd do well tbh. From what I've seen in tournaments with Chinese players only Xigua has really stood out
That's what people said about FXO, except worse.
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I dont understand the hype surrounding Chinese players. Everytime they show up in the international scene, they disappointed. The performance at IEM was lackluster, while Xigua couldnt justify his non-korean run to final by playing like silver against mvp.
And like someone mentioned above, GOM should not just invite random foreign teams to GSTL for the sake of making it more attractive to foreign viewership. The team should have long-term plan in Korea and some connection with the Korean scene at least.
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The more countries that get in the gstl, the better and more interesting it will become.
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On December 16 2011 04:36 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 04:31 babo213 wrote:
I don't think they'd do well tbh. From what I've seen in tournaments with Chinese players only Xigua has really stood out That's what people said about FXO, except worse.
And they did pretty bad for the most part.
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On December 16 2011 04:31 babo213 wrote:
I don't think they'd do well tbh. From what I've seen in tournaments with Chinese players only Xigua has really stood out
Macsed took a game off MVP and Loner at least was good a while ago. I feel like China could get a middle of the pack team together, if not better
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Anyone know what PJ is up to these days?
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On December 16 2011 04:39 Straylight wrote:
Anyone know what PJ is up to these days?
Married and retired.
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I don't want to say this. But nowadays I find the Chinese SC2 pros are ridiculous. People in China had high expectation to the chinese pro players before, before Lyn won both champion title of G-league a few months ago, War3 champion and SC2 in one season! I think it's a really a shame of those pro players in China, both War3 and SC2 pro players. Actually this is not the only case, just before lyn won the two titles, another War3 players infi had won both War3 and SC2 champion title in G-league. Infi is only a war3 player, he has not completely switch over yet. I don't know I should feel glad or what, in the most recent WGT in China, in the semi-final match, infi beat lyn, who had knocked Xigua out. If you want me to pick one that has the brightest future on SC2 in China, I guess I'd have to choose Infi, a pro war3 player, who hasn't claimed to swtich to SC2 yet at the moment.
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On December 16 2011 05:03 stuchiu wrote:
Sen can't be in the team, the Chinese hate him with a passion that most people reserve for horses.
Do they? Why? I actually have never heard of your story.
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On December 16 2011 05:03 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:22 digmouse wrote:On December 16 2011 02:06 Clbull wrote:My prediction of players in this team: - XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
pretty solid, but Ace has been inactive from competetive scene for a while, this spot might be LoveTT, also you should count F91 and Macsed in. my roster are: XiGua Macsed Uhen F91 LoveTT Sen Sen can't be in the team, the Chinese hate him with a passion that most people reserve for horses.
source?
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On December 16 2011 05:03 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:22 digmouse wrote:On December 16 2011 02:06 Clbull wrote:My prediction of players in this team: - XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
pretty solid, but Ace has been inactive from competetive scene for a while, this spot might be LoveTT, also you should count F91 and Macsed in. my roster are: XiGua Macsed Uhen F91 LoveTT Sen Sen can't be in the team, the Chinese hate him with a passion that most people reserve for horses.
Lol you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Sen was present on the Chinese all star team when they faced prime back in the beta and he was the team mate of many top Chinese BW players like F91.
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And sup with EG or Quantic team?
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On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen.
Sorry, that only happened in your dream. As far as I know, the chinese love Sen a lot.
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Wouldn't Loner be obligated to play on Prime in the GSTL?
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Question, did Pj and Lx from BW play sc2 or no? Those guys were godly at bw.
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On December 16 2011 05:43 bonedriven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen. Sorry, that only happened in your dream. As far as I know, the chinese love Sen a lot.
Alright then, my complete mistake. I redact all of my statements.
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As a chinese, I feel glad that some people have high hope on Chinese SC2 players. But in my opinion, there aren't many top players in China at the moment, and I don't think there will be at least in one year. There would be on these two possible situations though:
1. That SC2 becomes extremely popular in China, like dota. Last time I heard the chinese dota is invincible. Because it is even more popular than war3 itself. However, I don't see it is happening.
2. As we all can see, if you really want to get good, you need to train in Korea. So if there are determined chinese player that would like to train and compete in Korea, it's possible he get really good.
No.2 seems to be the only option.
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This would be awesome! OMG! :D I just want to jump up and scream!
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On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen.
Maybe it won't even matter since the GSTL doesn't have the same Olympic feeling that WCG has.
The Chinese only get mad at WCG when a Taiwanese person gets a medal and gets to hold up the "Chinese Taipei" flag. They don't like the fact that Taiwan is represented by a flag as they don't recognize it as a sovereign country.
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On December 16 2011 05:03 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:22 digmouse wrote:On December 16 2011 02:06 Clbull wrote:My prediction of players in this team: - XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
pretty solid, but Ace has been inactive from competetive scene for a while, this spot might be LoveTT, also you should count F91 and Macsed in. my roster are: XiGua Macsed Uhen F91 LoveTT Sen Sen can't be in the team, the Chinese hate him with a passion that most people reserve for horses.
Who hates horse?
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This is great! GSL is already streamed in Chinese so this would generate a TON more hype for fans in China!
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On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen.
Maybe it won't even matter since the GSTL doesn't have the same Olympic feeling that WCG has.
While there may be a lot of tension in politics between China and Taiwan, their celebrities are often both seen as "Chinese" - top Taiwanese pop-stars, e.g. Jay Chou, Wang Lee Hom, often sing about their pride for China, and they sing the majority of their songs in Mandarin, not Taiwanese dialect, so their mainland fans can understand their songs.
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On December 16 2011 06:42 leveller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:03 stuchiu wrote:On December 16 2011 02:22 digmouse wrote:On December 16 2011 02:06 Clbull wrote:My prediction of players in this team: - XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
pretty solid, but Ace has been inactive from competetive scene for a while, this spot might be LoveTT, also you should count F91 and Macsed in. my roster are: XiGua Macsed Uhen F91 LoveTT Sen Sen can't be in the team, the Chinese hate him with a passion that most people reserve for horses. Who hates horse?
He was probably making a joke about the national conflicts of China and Taiwan.
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there is hardly any tension between the people in china and taiwan. you guys listen to bullshit too much.
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SC2 is negligible both in China and South Korea compared to War3 and BW, respectively. However, Korea has a huge advantage in having a bigger SC2 scene and having BW, which is in every manner a pro sport in Korea, as the model for how to practice and organize (particularly team houses and regimens), etc. Not to forget that the bigname SC2 Korean players are BW veterans, albeit most were quite subpar BW players at the time of switching, except perhaps ForGG (although even he was on the verge to falling B-Team, though it's not surprising when Flash and Mind are on your team).
That said, if War3 dies tomorrow in China, and all the War3 players switch to SC2, I can see China region being the 2nd best in the world in SC2 after Korea. Now? They're kinda meh. Sure, they're probably better than NA (excluding Huk and maybe Idra), but that's not saying too much .
Now when BW is converted to SC2 in Korea? First, kiss all the current SC2 Korean stars goodbye (yes, even I will dearly miss some of them), and secondly, good Korean players will be untouchable by foreigners.
Well, good luck to the Chinese GSTL team. I don't know if they can stand up to many of the Korean teams, but we'll see :S.
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if we were to just go by the top players in china by results in their team league right now it'd be
f91
loner
yhy
xy
super
macsed
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I'll definitely bee rooting for them, should they decide to participate!
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On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen.
Maybe it won't even matter since the GSTL doesn't have the same Olympic feeling that WCG has.
which WCG is that?
stop making things up. you americans listen to fox news too much.
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On December 16 2011 05:43 bonedriven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen. Sorry, that only happened in your dream. As far as I know, the chinese love Sen a lot.
Yep -- there's a lot of hate on Taiwan in general but noone sees a Taiwanese player as "oh ew he's from Taiwan."
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That'd be pretty badass! Maybe they can find a partnership
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On December 16 2011 06:29 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen.
Maybe it won't even matter since the GSTL doesn't have the same Olympic feeling that WCG has. The Chinese only get mad at WCG when a Taiwanese person gets a medal and gets to hold up the "Chinese Taipei" flag. They don't like the fact that Taiwan is represented by a flag as they don't recognize it as a sovereign country.
The Chinese Government doesn't, but the people do not represent the government.
Though I don't know what regular Chinese Citizen's opinion of Taiwan is though.
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maybe SaSe can play on that team since he has sent a couple of years in China? I could see this team doing well without him.
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That would be so cool, I really hope it will work out.
Boy, does 2012 look awesome or what? =)
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On December 16 2011 00:49 Myrista wrote:
xigua's revenge is now
He was thoroughly destroyed by Mvp, so if i were him I'm either hungry for revenge, or scared to rematch.
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I hope XiGua, 91, LoveTT, LoveCD, MacSed, Loner, among others.
Also, F91 was casting GSL with the normal NeoTV guy yesterday. He said he wasn't afraid of MVP (on ladder) and has beaten him on ladder (not big deal, but fun to know).
As for China vs/inc Taiwan, the Mainland populace is a split between "One China, it's a province of China and it always has been and always will be." and "Why didn't my grandpa go with the KMT to Taiwan way back when? TT" We love them mostly as brethren though, their music, their movies, their TV, and their progamer(s), just that some of us can't accept them as a sovereign nation. Just seems the Mainland (people and government) sort of are fine with the status quo that is Taiwanese ambiguity.
(Inappropriate but most suitable analogy I can think of: Democrats and Republicans engage in civil war, Dems drive GOP to Alaska. GOP claim Alaskan independence, Dems claim One USA! China sells weapons to Alaska.)
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That's so incredible, china is key to esports, this is so incredibly awesome, a massive talent pool will enter the global stage.
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On December 16 2011 09:18 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:29 chenchen wrote:On December 16 2011 05:33 stuchiu wrote:
Sorry I didn't clarify, I meant the Chinese people in general. There is a strong nationalistic pride going on between China vs. Taiwan. I know in one of the WCG the entire Chinese audience were harassing and shouting at him as he made his way to compete. I wouldn't know anything about the pro teams at all about their feelings toward Sen.
Maybe it won't even matter since the GSTL doesn't have the same Olympic feeling that WCG has. The Chinese only get mad at WCG when a Taiwanese person gets a medal and gets to hold up the "Chinese Taipei" flag. They don't like the fact that Taiwan is represented by a flag as they don't recognize it as a sovereign country. The Chinese Government doesn't, but the people do not represent the government. Though I don't know what regular Chinese Citizen's opinion of Taiwan is though.
I'd say that the vast majority of Chinese people, young and old, naturally and instinctively recognize Taiwan as a part of China.
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Nice! There is so many good players coming from China, they can def compete with the koreans.
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On December 16 2011 01:14 CakeSauc3 wrote:
中国！！！ GLHF, I really hope to see China step up to the plate and make international esports more interesting. Plus, I'm in China now and plan on living in China a lot in the future, would love to see a growing group of sc2 fans here so I can hang out with them :D
welcome to china,i think chinese union team would make up with Xigua,Loner,LoveTT,F91 and Macsed
if you would see groups of sc2 fans,i think you would go to Shanghai,Chengdu and Beijing,there are well sc2 atmosphere, or go to talking with fans by bbs if you can read chinese(http://bbs.plu.cn/forum-190-1.html)
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i see mainland china as a part of republic china 
on my part I see Taiwan as chinese and not taiwanese as my relatives originally came from Shandong after civil war. I cheer for every chinese player as well as for Sen.
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This should be interesting at the very least.
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i have to admit korean sc2 better than Chinese now, but "Its not shame on failing, but shame on coward"
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Awesome. We need to see more of these Chinese gamers at events. Good luck!
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ohhhhh this is gonna be sooper sick if they can get a Chinese team in Korea. hope it goes through!
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On December 16 2011 05:03 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 02:22 digmouse wrote:On December 16 2011 02:06 Clbull wrote:My prediction of players in this team: - XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
pretty solid, but Ace has been inactive from competetive scene for a while, this spot might be LoveTT, also you should count F91 and Macsed in. my roster are: XiGua Macsed Uhen F91 LoveTT Sen Sen can't be in the team, the Chinese hate him with a passion that most people reserve for horses.
Nobody hate sen in China.Do you know F91 and sen are very good friends?They often practice together.
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a part of insane taiwanese will drive Sen give up join the China Union team. i think no one want to risk into political fight
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3 out of 3 chinese players made it out of their groups in WCG. I expect they'll do a lot better than people think!
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On December 16 2011 14:33 Steamboatlol wrote:
3 out of 3 chinese players made it out of their groups in WCG. I expect they'll do a lot better than people think!
if it was a wc3 tournament or dota chinese teams have some of the best wc3/dota teams. There were a couple noticeable ones in bw, Chinese player base is fucking huge. So I would expect alot to be pretty top level considering some probably play on korean server since the beginning.
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Aw yeah! hope to see China get somewhere ^_^, i'm chinese myself so... going to be wishing them luck.
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On December 16 2011 14:36 Boblhead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 14:33 Steamboatlol wrote:
3 out of 3 chinese players made it out of their groups in WCG. I expect they'll do a lot better than people think! if it was a wc3 tournament or dota chinese teams have some of the best wc3/dota teams. There were a couple noticeable ones in bw, Chinese player base is fucking huge. So I would expect alot to be pretty top level considering some probably play on korean server since the beginning.
The player base isn't that huge. BW and W3 were huge in China because they were free and didn't require a high end computer and could be played online with lan latency thanks to private b.net servers (I remember back then, each city/province had its own private b.net server, so sick). SC2 is the total opposite.
But yeah, WCG results were pretty convincing, China does have very talented players, and I expect the Chinese team to do well. Hope that Sen will join !
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I hope to see this! I think the best of the Chinese can compete in GSTL if they are given the chance!!
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cmon TH000, switch to sc2 already ...
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if it can help SC2 to become more popular in China, hell yeah!
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On December 16 2011 00:54 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 00:51 CodeskyE wrote:
It would be a dream come true if XiaOt and MacSed both play for China Union Team. Exactly my thougts, but don't XiaOt coach now mostly, instead of playing himself?
Oh man, this guy was a monster. The decision to become a coach/manager or whatever makes no sense.
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LOL @ the people suggesting SEn on a China Union team... you guys realize Taiwan and China pretty much hate each other right? There was even an incident at WCG when Chinese players demanded that a Taiwan player not use the Taiwanese flag. Its pretty serious business.
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imagine.. if it were sponsored by the state. they would dominate for years to come
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omg FUCK EPIC YES!!!
more G in the GLOBAL star league please!
On December 16 2011 16:04 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 00:54 eYeball wrote:On December 16 2011 00:51 CodeskyE wrote:
It would be a dream come true if XiaOt and MacSed both play for China Union Team. Exactly my thougts, but don't XiaOt coach now mostly, instead of playing himself? Oh man, this guy was a monster. The decision to become a coach/manager or whatever makes no sense.
It's probably as simple as having a safe, stable income, while still being able to work with what you love (or maybe he lost that passion or drive to endure long practice hours)
On December 16 2011 16:05 paintfive wrote:
imagine.. if it were sponsored by the state. they would dominate for years to come
omg that would be epic haha... just a tiny bit would be like nothing, but to the sc2 team, would be so helpful
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Wait wait... iG.Edison's last name is Chen? ROFL
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XiGua will be on the roster, maybe Loner and F91. MacSed, possibly? Don't think Lyn or Infi will be on it; they have their own War3 tourneys to take care of in China, and Lyn specifically moved to China for other personal reasons besides. Sen probably won't be on there either. China != Taiwan.
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It's actually quite funny...Xigua comes from a well off family in China. In fact, invictus is basically bankrolled by his family. He has said to me he actually doesn't practice much. Imagine if he did - would be frightening.
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On December 16 2011 16:19 kurosawa wrote:
It's actually quite funny...Xigua comes from a well off family in China. In fact, invictus is basically bankrolled by his family. He has said to me he actually doesn't practice much. Imagine if he did - would be frightening.
He said in some interview that he plays 40-60 games a day.
"E-sports": Xiaose (Chinese commentator of NeoTV, the channel that braodcasts GSL in China) said that you play about 80 games per day and that you have a smurf account that's ranked #1 in the Korean server. Is that true?
iG.Xigua: 80 games is a bit too much, that will be kind of ridiculous (laughs), I play between 40-60 games per day in average and 80 games maximum. I also do have a smurf account and it's currently ranked top 20 in the Korean ladder
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293523
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On December 16 2011 16:28 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 16:19 kurosawa wrote:
It's actually quite funny...Xigua comes from a well off family in China. In fact, invictus is basically bankrolled by his family. He has said to me he actually doesn't practice much. Imagine if he did - would be frightening. He said in some interview that he plays 40-60 games a day. Show nested quote +"E-sports": Xiaose (Chinese commentator of NeoTV, the channel that braodcasts GSL in China) said that you play about 80 games per day and that you have a smurf account that's ranked #1 in the Korean server. Is that true?
iG.Xigua: 80 games is a bit too much, that will be kind of ridiculous (laughs), I play between 40-60 games per day in average and 80 games maximum. I also do have a smurf account and it's currently ranked top 20 in the Korean ladder http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293523
He's not exactly going to say he practices fuck all is he? A bit arrogant if this is the case. Xigua is not a full time progamer at all, he does it for fun. He has other business interests...let's be honest, being a progamer is not the way to go if you want to earn real money.
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On December 16 2011 13:12 funny.mokats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 05:03 stuchiu wrote:On December 16 2011 02:22 digmouse wrote:On December 16 2011 02:06 Clbull wrote:My prediction of players in this team: - XiGua - Invictus Gaming. Arguably the greatest Chinese player and one of the "really fucking scary" Zergs. Seeing as he got a 2nd place finish in WCG 2011, I think he'd be wanting to flex his SC2 muscles in more international events.
- LoveCD - World Elite. Not much known about him, a Chinese player who lost 4 - 1 to MC in a StarsWar invitational tourney.
- Sen - Gama Bears. A Taiwanese team and player but I have a feeling if Sen's coming back to the GSL as a Code S invitee, they might try and get in touch with Gama Bears and ask them for permission to include Sen in their coalition team.
- Lyn - Pandarea Gaming (not technically Chinese but part of a Chinese team. Seeing as he was one of the seriously recogniseable Korean WC3 players, they would probably try and sign him.
- Ace - Pandarea Gaming. Another former WC3 player, supposedly really good in the Chinese scene.
pretty solid, but Ace has been inactive from competetive scene for a while, this spot might be LoveTT, also you should count F91 and Macsed in. my roster are: XiGua Macsed Uhen F91 LoveTT Sen Sen can't be in the team, the Chinese hate him with a passion that most people reserve for horses. Nobody hate sen in China.Do you know F91 and sen are very good friends?They often practice together.
Sen was on both Fnatic and DuskBin with a completely Chinese roster except their manager, Ash. I don't think they hate him at all...
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On December 16 2011 16:04 bokchoi wrote:
LOL @ the people suggesting SEn on a China Union team... you guys realize Taiwan and China pretty much hate each other right? There was even an incident at WCG when Chinese players demanded that a Taiwan player not use the Taiwanese flag. Its pretty serious business.
Like I already said... Sen was on 2 different teams with all Chinese players... Nobody hates him.
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On December 16 2011 16:13 haduken wrote:
Wait wait... iG.Edison's last name is Chen? ROFL
iG.EdIsOn's last name is Wu.
I think Chinese fans call him Chen because of that famous Edison Chen.
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China6327 Posts
Some updates:
Sen is not likely to be part of this Chinese Team.
Negotiation among the top Chinese teams are underway, it's up to them to send players or not, currently we can only confirm most iG members will go.
There is over 50% possibility that this will come true, but nothing is on the table yet.
No problem at all on Korean side, even they might give Code A spots for them.
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F91 please
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On December 16 2011 16:42 digmouse wrote:
Some updates:
Sen is not likely to be part of this Chinese Team.
This is not surprising. It would be a cool political move of unity, but that shit ain't gonna happen any time soon.
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Unfortunate Sen can't play for China Union, but it's inevitable but this is a risky issue no one wanna touch on.
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especially with a name like 'china union' kekeeke
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On December 16 2011 07:10 GreyKnight wrote:
there is hardly any tension between the people in china and taiwan. you guys listen to bullshit too much. Yep, I was born and raised in Taiwan. No hate, just some prejudice sometimes from various segments of the population. Otherwise, we often go to China for our holidays, and likewise the rich chinese often travel to Taiwan to check out this "interesting" island of chinese culture which has not had Communism implemented.
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This would be a beastly line up, props to gsl for allowing this and props to the organisers on the chinese side. Not that much is known of chinese players by western viewers, their scene although undeniably formidable has a lot of potential still left in it. With their massive people power no doubt some freakish talent has/can emerge.
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china is perhaps the only country that could potentially beat korea at starcraft, and potentially the biggest esports market in the world. they already have the work ethic and mentality, so just look at what they've done to dota. hopefully this will accelerate starcraft's popularity in that country.
also for the people chiming in on china/taiwan relations, most young people view both as ethnic chinese, and thats good enough for them. tensions only flare during elections when politicians try to rile up nationalism for votes.
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People think in terms of Korea versus foreigners, how cool would it be if it were Korea vs China vs foreigners?
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PJ was a baller, too bad he isnt playing anymore
PJ vs Bisu
I dare to say that all-star chinese + Sen team could win team league, given the fact that better koreans players didnt switch and China had few great talents.
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Of course Sen is not going to be part of the team....
Sen is TAIWANESE.
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On December 16 2011 18:41 fish83814 wrote:
Of course Sen is not going to be part of the team....
Sen is TAIWANESE.
There we go. The China/Taiwan debate has begun.
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no one knows LoveTT? the BEST protoss in china right now . old SC1 progamer, 4th place WCG 2008 grand final
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There no way Sen will be on the Chinese team. He will get too much flak from the Taiwanese media and his Taiwanese fans if he does.
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On December 16 2011 18:54 sherry.michael wrote:
no one knows LoveTT? the BEST protoss in china right now . old SC1 progamer, 4th place WCG 2008 grand final
LoveTT is amazing! I hope he is on the team.
I'm hoping this could set off a round of starcraft2/esports growth in China, and attract a round of talent from wc3
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hmm，imo，the players will be in this range，xigua、macsed、F91、lovett、toodming、lovecd、infi、jim&loner.
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On December 16 2011 19:02 bobohobo wrote:
There no way Sen will be on the Chinese team. He will get too much flak from the Taiwanese media and his Taiwanese fans if he does.
I didn't know Taiwanese are so naive.
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Can't wait to see the lineup.
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This is great for Gom. China has more potential viewers than the United States and Korea combined.
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is this going to be taiwan/china union team or china union team?
isn't sen taiwanese? why is so many people trying to make it as taiwan/china union team.
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On December 16 2011 19:32 shire wrote:
is this going to be taiwan/china union team or china union team?
isn't sen taiwanese? why is so many people trying to make it as taiwan/china union team.
because we think taiwan is a part of China,but people in taiwan doesn't think so.
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wow I would love to see chinese representation at the GSTL
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On December 16 2011 19:36 wenye123456 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 19:32 shire wrote:
is this going to be taiwan/china union team or china union team?
isn't sen taiwanese? why is so many people trying to make it as taiwan/china union team. because we think taiwan is a part of China,but people in taiwan doesn't think so.
Please lets just avoid this topic before a shitstorm starts
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Xigua, macced and many other chinese SC2 players have the quality to compete in GSTL. I wish this will come true very soon!
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On December 16 2011 19:36 wenye123456 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 19:32 shire wrote:
is this going to be taiwan/china union team or china union team?
isn't sen taiwanese? why is so many people trying to make it as taiwan/china union team. because we think taiwan is a part of China,but people in taiwan doesn't think so.
Stop giving wrong information. And stop posting China/Taiwan shit. Chinese ppl DONT care about that will Sen join China Team or Not. If they do, please give me source please.
I mean, cmoon, its almost 2012 and ppl have never been visited China and Taiwan both countries still post shit posts on TL.
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GO GO GO, China players, go Xigua!
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Yeah please stop with the PRC:Taiwan rants here. I figured this would happen but I really wished Sen would join the Chinese team, there needs to be some hugging to do >__>"
Anyways, really glad China's starting to come out to the international scene.
My little brother's nickname is xi gua (I thought he looked like a watermelon when he was a baby)
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Im happy to see more chinese players in the international scene. Must be lots of potential and talent in the chinse gaming community.
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Fuck yeah, the more the merrier. Global SC2 ftw~!
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XiGua w00t, more awesome zerg games to watch. Guy has some sick micro and decision making. Was a shame to watch him get ripped apart by IMMVP in WCG finals. Would love to see more of his play.
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Actually, coming from Taiwan, i know a lot of people from Taiwan, consider themselves ethnically Chinese (well the ones who are ethnically chinese lol), but they disagree with the Chinese government.
Anyway, not to go off topic, it is great that we get to see more diversity in the GSTL, especially from a group of players that have had only limited exposure up to now
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On December 17 2011 00:17 Contradictions wrote:
Actually, coming from Taiwan, i know a lot of people from Taiwan, consider themselves ethnically Chinese (well the ones who are ethnically chinese lol), but they disagree with the Chinese government.
Anyway, not to go off topic, it is great that we get to see more diversity in the GSTL, especially from a group of players that have had only limited exposure up to now
There's no doubt about that most people in Taiwan are ethnically Chinese (98%) and most people would admit it with no problem.
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Time for China to rise!!!!
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Cool stuff, likely the Chinese teams can show us some creative plays, the games I've seen of them are pretty wild. However, they'll need to catch up mechanically relative to all the other players in the GSL, even the other foreigners.
Chinese pride!
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now all we need is Swedish and Ukrainian Pride teams
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iG has some beast dota teams, glad to see they are making a splash in the sc2 scene
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Really hope this is true, been hearing from many Chinese players that they believe they're on-par with the Koreans. I hope this is true and we can see some new players and some Chinese superstars (XiGua obviously).
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Ooh, I wanna see if XiGua is a fluke!
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That sounds awesome! The more foreigners in the GSTL the better!
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This seems super cool. Is this mainland China or Taiwan?
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great new for the esport
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would be great to have more top players competing, this will make the tournament even more exciting and help the scene grow!!
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YEAH CHINA :D
I wish Sen could participate, but the team should do well without him too.
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XiGua's success at WCG was not a fluke, even Koreans know how far players from China have improved. GSTL would be a great starting point for both Korea and China's esport to grow, excited for 2012.
GamaBear of Sen and Chinese teams are teams from totally different leagues, not related.
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Awesome, I wish the best.
When/where can we expect news?
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oh wow this is awesome i hope f91 is part of this team
i want to see more from him
and hopefully this will show foreigners that chinese players are good
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my chinese friends tell me that sc2 is huge in china, but the western scene never really hears anything about it. looking forward to this for sure!
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On December 16 2011 22:00 Louis8k8 wrote:Yeah please stop with the PRC:Taiwan rants here. I figured this would happen but I really wished Sen would join the Chinese team, there needs to be some hugging to do >__>" Anyways, really glad China's starting to come out to the international scene. My little brother's nickname is xi gua (I thought he looked like a watermelon when he was a baby)
i think he must be very lovely
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On December 17 2011 11:39 JiYan wrote:
my chinese friends tell me that sc2 is huge in china, but the western scene never really hears anything about it. looking forward to this for sure!
I think most of us know it's there, it even has a more popular website than teamliquid dedicated to starcraft. But the language barrier or something else just keeps integration from being more widespread. It's so strange!
I hope GSTL is one important step for Chinese players to become international players. If you're the best, where you're from is irrelevant! :D
Can't wait to watch.
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I dont often see the Chinese in many tournaments really only the one IEM in Ghanzhou (or how ever it is pronounced / spelled >.<) and Blizzcup. Don't believe they actually pretty sure they didnt reach the final and a foreigner won on their own soil... so based on those 2 im formulating that yea they're good but would get demolished in the GSTL against powerhouses like SlayerS, IM, ST, TSL, and Prime. (I acknowledge I may be wrong on the results but that still dosnt really change my opinion that they would get demo'd by these unfathomably strong Korean teams.
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fenix all killing IM and other foreigner sucesses in GSTL prove you wrong, they may not be a finals candidate but definetely make up for good games.
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they spread empty checks.
 xiaOt said he would participate in gsl 2011 tour.
and now it's time for edison.
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the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it.
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I really hope China gets to give it a try. Hopefully 5 players would be a starting point. I could definately see them picking up more players as they go. I just don't see how these Chinese teams would let their players go for such a long period of time. Might as well set up some sort of tenative loan deal. Who knows these players might end up qualifying for GSL further down the road or want to switch over to a Korean team to further extend their stay. Also I hope to see foreigner players return and try to make the GSTL roster for their respective Korean teams.
GSTL hype!!!! It will always be my favorite team league to watch!
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On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it.
Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared.
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On December 17 2011 12:06 oni_link wrote:
fenix all killing IM and other foreigner sucesses in GSTL prove you wrong, they may not be a finals candidate but definetely make up for good games.
When did Fenix all-kill IM? Or do you mean qxc? (I think it's him.) Fenix is on IM.
Regardless, your point still stands.
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What do the Chinese want? This is pretty exciting
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Wow, very exciting news indeed. I hope they do well!
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On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared.
blizzard has done an awful job at promoting sc2 in asia from what i hear.
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This would be great, we see too little of these players from the outside.
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I highly doubt we'll be seeing sen as a part of this team. He is TAIWANESE, not CHINESE. Yes, there's a big difference if you're familiar with the two...
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On December 17 2011 14:58 brbwinning wrote:
I highly doubt we'll be seeing sen as a part of this team. He is TAIWANESE, not CHINESE. Yes, there's a big difference if you're familiar with the two...
Believe me, Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. Taiwan is just not part of PRC.
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This would be really cool if it happens. Can't wait! Always happy to see more people join GSL/GSTL
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On December 17 2011 15:06 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 14:58 brbwinning wrote:
I highly doubt we'll be seeing sen as a part of this team. He is TAIWANESE, not CHINESE. Yes, there's a big difference if you're familiar with the two... Believe me, Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. Taiwan is just not part of PRC.
this is the most confusing part....sigh.....
why does English have to use the exact same word for so many different meaning??
you can never explain this clearly in English when language, nationality, race are all sharing an identical vocabulary
Taiwanese speaks Chinese(Mandarin)
Taiwanese are mostly Chinese(ethnically)
Taiwan is not a part of "People Republic of China"
Taiwan is also known as "Republic of China" or "Chinese Taipei" or "Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu"(this long stupid name is what we are forced to use to enter WTO)
hope this is clear enough for everybody and not cause any more confusion
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On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared.
China had a BW scene? I didn't know that. I do know however that Warcraft 3 >> SC2 in China, just within the RTS genre.
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On December 17 2011 16:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared. China had a BW scene? I didn't know that. I do know however that Warcraft 3 >> SC2 in China, just within the RTS genre.
Lol Brood War is probably currently bigger than SC2 right now in China.
With players like Pj and Lx, China was probably the second strongest BW country, but that really doesn't say much because Korea was so so far ahead of everyone else, in the sense that if you picked the one hundred best BW players in the world, they'd more likely than not be all Korean.
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On December 17 2011 15:06 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 14:58 brbwinning wrote:
I highly doubt we'll be seeing sen as a part of this team. He is TAIWANESE, not CHINESE. Yes, there's a big difference if you're familiar with the two... Believe me, Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. Taiwan is just not part of PRC.
By your logic, Americans are ethnically British. US is just not part of Great Britain.
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On December 17 2011 17:04 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 15:06 ElephantBaby wrote:On December 17 2011 14:58 brbwinning wrote:
I highly doubt we'll be seeing sen as a part of this team. He is TAIWANESE, not CHINESE. Yes, there's a big difference if you're familiar with the two... Believe me, Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. Taiwan is just not part of PRC. By your logic, Americans are ethnically British. US is just not part of Great Britain.
British is not a race, it is a nationality. And you can't even say Americans are Caucasian. Too many people in US are not white. If you are not from PRC or Taiwan, I definitely know better than you on that issue.
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On December 17 2011 16:32 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 16:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared. China had a BW scene? I didn't know that. I do know however that Warcraft 3 >> SC2 in China, just within the RTS genre. Lol Brood War is probably currently bigger than SC2 right now in China. With players like Pj and Lx, China was probably the second strongest BW country, but that really doesn't say much because Korea was so so far ahead of everyone else, in the sense that if you picked the one hundred best BW players in the world, they'd more likely than not be all Korean.
Quite interesting. Well, if and when Chinese BW converts to SC2, and by some ungodly miracle War3 switches to SC2 as well, I have little doubt China could also be the second best SC2 country.
In regards to the huge BW gap between Korea and everyone else, we'll probably see just the same if and when BW in Korea switches over to SC2. Keep your eyes on Kespa, boyo. Some BW teams are already playing SC2. Within a year or two, who knows, Kespa and the teams could decide it is time to switch to SC2. Surely then, Oblivion will open.
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Chinese players could gain a lot by having more Korean experience, their style is too secluded to their region, they will be much stronger through constant competitions with international scene. Without much exposure to international scene, they are already better than 90% of the foreigners, with more exposure to int scene, learning of more styles and such will make them much stronger.
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if XiGua doesn't go, its ruining esports
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I really hope China does well if they participate in GSTL just so that more people in China might start to play...
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I really really want china and more foreign teams to play in the gstl
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Sky needs to quit WC3 and just start playing SC2 so he doesn't miss an opportunity like this!
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Baa?21242 Posts
On December 17 2011 16:32 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 16:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared. China had a BW scene? I didn't know that. I do know however that Warcraft 3 >> SC2 in China, just within the RTS genre. Lol Brood War is probably currently bigger than SC2 right now in China. With players like Pj and Lx, China was probably the second strongest BW country, but that really doesn't say much because Korea was so so far ahead of everyone else, in the sense that if you picked the one hundred best BW players in the world, they'd more likely than not be all Korean.
China -was- the second strongest BW country. But BW is dead in China now.
BW is definitely not bigger than SC2 in China, since SC2 has a few leagues and a decent number of progamers, whereas BW is completely dead.
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On December 17 2011 21:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 16:32 chenchen wrote:On December 17 2011 16:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared. China had a BW scene? I didn't know that. I do know however that Warcraft 3 >> SC2 in China, just within the RTS genre. Lol Brood War is probably currently bigger than SC2 right now in China. With players like Pj and Lx, China was probably the second strongest BW country, but that really doesn't say much because Korea was so so far ahead of everyone else, in the sense that if you picked the one hundred best BW players in the world, they'd more likely than not be all Korean. China -was- the second strongest BW country. But BW is dead in China now. BW is definitely not bigger than SC2 in China, since SC2 has a few leagues and a decent number of progamers, whereas BW is completely dead.
The Chinese BW "pro scene" is completely dead. Everyone's either switched over or retired, but the game itself is, as far as I know, more commonly played and watched, as in, a good amount of people follow the Korean pro scene. As far as internet cafes go, BW is definitely far more prevalent.
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On December 17 2011 21:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 16:32 chenchen wrote:On December 17 2011 16:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared. China had a BW scene? I didn't know that. I do know however that Warcraft 3 >> SC2 in China, just within the RTS genre. Lol Brood War is probably currently bigger than SC2 right now in China. With players like Pj and Lx, China was probably the second strongest BW country, but that really doesn't say much because Korea was so so far ahead of everyone else, in the sense that if you picked the one hundred best BW players in the world, they'd more likely than not be all Korean. China -was- the second strongest BW country. But BW is dead in China now. BW is definitely not bigger than SC2 in China, since SC2 has a few leagues and a decent number of progamers, whereas BW is completely dead.
Legend and PJ retired. PJ got married and Legend is mainly playing poker. The Chinese proleague (G-League) already switched to SC2, so yeah the Chinese BW scene is completely dead.
The thing is, the current SC2 scene isn't one tenth as big as BW scene used to be, mainly because the game can't be played in LAN and can't be played in PC bangs for free. At the meantime since almost everyone from BW or W3 (W3 was huge in China) who didn't retired or switched to poker, is now playing SC2, so all people with a lot of potential and/or RTS experience are now playing SC2, and based on WCG results, I'd still say that China is still the #2 Starcraft nation.
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glade to see some many ppl here love to see Chinese team in GSTL.
yes, China fighting ~
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The chinese players are good but they will need alot of training to compete at GSL levels.
Well mvp just made them look easy but I bet some cane survive the GSL league.
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Would be awesome. We need more international teams in the GSTL.
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On December 17 2011 15:06 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 14:58 brbwinning wrote:
I highly doubt we'll be seeing sen as a part of this team. He is TAIWANESE, not CHINESE. Yes, there's a big difference if you're familiar with the two... Believe me, Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. Taiwan is just not part of PRC.
Yeah, but culturally they are different, which is why Sen probably wouldn't be on the Chinese team.
Think about it, Taiwan isn't even part of the Chinese SC2 server but rather part of the Korean one.
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United States23455 Posts
The GSTL is looking to become an absolutely enormous league now, and this Chinese team is just going to make it better. I personally like the team v. team format better then 1v1. Something about the two teams facing off makes it seem like more of a legitimate "sport". Team leagues in general like the IPL Team Arena Challenge are starting to become bigger as well. However, I think there needs to be a much larger team leagues which has teams from Europe, Korea, and North America participating. The GSTL is almost exclusively Korean and the IPL team leagues sometimes are missing large teams. I just think a massive team league would be really exciting. (I'm looking at you MLG! lolz)
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On December 18 2011 05:28 brbwinning wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 15:06 ElephantBaby wrote:On December 17 2011 14:58 brbwinning wrote:
I highly doubt we'll be seeing sen as a part of this team. He is TAIWANESE, not CHINESE. Yes, there's a big difference if you're familiar with the two... Believe me, Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. Taiwan is just not part of PRC. Yeah, but culturally they are different, which is why Sen probably wouldn't be on the Chinese team. Think about it, Taiwan isn't even part of the Chinese SC2 server but rather part of the Korean one.
Culturally they're almost exactly the same. (Politically, not so, but that is an aside)
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i thought sen was from taiwan, but i guess it depends who you ask if taiwan is part of china ...
edit: somehow did not notice there were 12 pages of comments above saying the same thing ><
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Arent China server is like by itself so there is weird metagame there?
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i like the thought of it. btw sen is taiwanese....
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Oh, just noticed the GSTL is a month later. While I wish the best for the Chinese team, I have to stand by the Emperor, and the Empire (Slayers team). Seeing as Ulfric doesn't play SC2, I'm going to have to side with the Empire this time around, but dang, Ulfric is such a badass .
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This is really good, and Super excited to see this happening.
Well, as long as it does happen.
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On December 16 2011 16:19 kurosawa wrote:
It's actually quite funny...Xigua comes from a well off family in China. In fact, invictus is basically bankrolled by his family. He has said to me he actually doesn't practice much. Imagine if he did - would be frightening.
He's related to Wang Sicong, the guy who paid $6 million to buy out CCM and is one of the richest men involved in eSports? Heh, no wonder he's a bit arrogant.
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Wang Sicong's father Wang Jianlin, one of the richest man in China for commercial property . invested football club "DaLian Wan Da".
XiaoT leave away SC2, coz Wang Sicong wanna play DOTA with XiaoT, and let him do manager in IG club.
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I like it! The more, the merrier!
gogo chinese team!
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ofc is sen not in the chinese team, did you guys not remember the wcg skandal few years ago where even known sc1 gamers from china (PJ) diss and rly HARD attack the taiwanese guy for using taiwanese flag ?
its like having a proud north korean player playing in a south korean team
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Sen has stated his country as Taiwan using google map on his stream before.
It clearly showed his political tendency, so it's not surprised that Sen refused to join "China" Union.
He might be good friends with Chinese progamers, but Taiwan/China problem is much more serious.
On December 16 2011 13:54 EricFartman wrote:
a part of insane taiwanese will drive Sen give up join the China Union team. i think no one want to risk into political fight
Unfortunately, 90% of youth in Taiwan are what you called "INSANE TAIWANESE". It's nothing wrong with making a distinction between Taiwan and China clearly. We have our own government and territory.
We want to be friendly with Chinese, but it's hard to do that since Chinese government treat us like shit around the world.
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Is there something I'm missing? I don't know why you guys are assuming that Sen was even approached for this effort, considering there's only five spots and plenty of SC 2 pros in China to fill them.
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it will be sick when everyone from everywhere focus on sc2
we still have bw pros from korea, wc3 pros from china and some koreans like moon to come, hope they focus all at the same time
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On December 19 2011 17:19 touhonoob wrote:Sen has stated his country as Taiwan using google map on his stream before. It clearly showed his political tendency, so it's not surprised that Sen refused to join "China" Union. He might be good friends with Chinese progamers, but Taiwan/China problem is much more serious. Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 13:54 EricFartman wrote:
a part of insane taiwanese will drive Sen give up join the China Union team. i think no one want to risk into political fight Unfortunately, 90% of youth in Taiwan are what you called "INSANE TAIWANESE". It's nothing wrong with making a distinction between Taiwan and China clearly. We have our own government and territory. We want to be friendly with Chinese, but it's hard to do that since Chinese government treat us like shit around the world.
Sen's represented China before.
China vs Prime clan war in beta.
Politics has no place in any of this. Sen used to be the only Taiwanese on a team full of mainland Chinese players back in BW. They treated him like a friend and just another Chinese player. They didn't care about what the ROC government which rules the island that Sen happened to have been born on thought. Likewise, Taiwanese Starcraft fans didn't launch terrorist attacks just because Sen was on a team with a bunch of Chinese players or because Sen represented "China" in a clan war.
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The official name of the government in Taiwan is "Republic of China" and the current ruling party is the KMT aka the "Chinese Nationalist Party". Foreigners really should take some history lessons before they discuss politics about the cross strait relations.
Taiwan is a part of China. Mainlanders and Taiwanese share the same language, culture, and history, the only difference is whether the ruling party of China should be the Comunist Party (from Mainland) or the Nationalist Party (from Taiwan) which of course the communist party has the advantage.
Sen is considered Chinese to me and many Chinese SC fans. I only consider the indeginous aborigines of Taiwan to be real "Taiwanese"
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On December 19 2011 18:39 ppshchik wrote:
The official name of the government in Taiwan is "Republic of China" and the current ruling party is the KMT aka the "Chinese Nationalist Party". Foreigners really should take some history lessons before they discuss politics about the cross strait relations.
Taiwan is a part of China. Mainlanders and Taiwanese share the same language, culture, and history, the only difference is whether the ruling party of China should be the Comunist Party (from Mainland) or the Nationalist Party (from Taiwan) which of course the communist party has the advantage.
Sen is considered Chinese to me and many Chinese SC fans. I only consider the indeginous aborigines of Taiwan to be real "Taiwanese"
This is politically correct, yes, but more or less implied by previous posts. Despite being the same country being contested by two rival governments, they are practically two sovereignties and it's easier usually to just say China and Taiwan. I'm a mostly patriotic Chinese but such serious politics unnecessarily complicate things on a Starcraft forum.
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On December 19 2011 18:39 ppshchik wrote:
The official name of the government in Taiwan is "Republic of China" and the current ruling party is the KMT aka the "Chinese Nationalist Party". Foreigners really should take some history lessons before they discuss politics about the cross strait relations.
Taiwan is a part of China. Mainlanders and Taiwanese share the same language, culture, and history, the only difference is whether the ruling party of China should be the Comunist Party (from Mainland) or the Nationalist Party (from Taiwan) which of course the communist party has the advantage.
Sen is considered Chinese to me and many Chinese SC fans. I only consider the indeginous aborigines of Taiwan to be real "Taiwanese"
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity.
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On December 19 2011 17:19 touhonoob wrote:Sen has stated his country as Taiwan using google map on his stream before. It clearly showed his political tendency, so it's not surprised that Sen refused to join "China" Union. He might be good friends with Chinese progamers, but Taiwan/China problem is much more serious. Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 13:54 EricFartman wrote:
a part of insane taiwanese will drive Sen give up join the China Union team. i think no one want to risk into political fight Unfortunately, 90% of youth in Taiwan are what you called "INSANE TAIWANESE". It's nothing wrong with making a distinction between Taiwan and China clearly. We have our own government and territory. We want to be friendly with Chinese, but it's hard to do that since Chinese government treat us like shit around the world.
They do? I didn't know that. In any case, I'd be really thankful if I were Taiwanese that a country that could conquer mine at a whim has not to this day and seems to have no intent of doing so.
That said, there's a thousand possible reasons why Sen didn't choose play with them. Maybe he's too busy for the GSTL, which is a huge dedication, or doesn't like a couple players on the team. I know he played with a Chinese team in BW, so it isn't like he's some jingoist who hates China or something to the point he's not willing to play with Chinese players. Assuming it's because he hates China and Chinese folks is taking it a bit too far.
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On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity.
as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct
culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical
we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy
we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so
we are proud of it
there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese"
like
"華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically)
"漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say
"中文"-Chinese (language)
"中國人"-Chinese (nationality)
so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese"
in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not
and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries
and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years
most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese
the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people
we just don't like their government bully us in international events
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On December 19 2011 19:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
They do? I didn't know that. In any case, I'd be really thankful if I were Taiwanese that a country that could conquer mine at a whim has not to this day and seems to have no intent of doing so.
they can't do that
not without causing serious international consequences
and it won't do if they just blow us into pieces
they wont want to conquer a ruin
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Hope they get in on this, Chinese esports is something any game wants a bite off
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On December 19 2011 19:39 fish83814 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
They do? I didn't know that. In any case, I'd be really thankful if I were Taiwanese that a country that could conquer mine at a whim has not to this day and seems to have no intent of doing so. they can't do that not without causing serious international consequences and it won't do if they just blow us into pieces they wont want to conquer a ruin
As far as I know, the Taiwan/China relationship tends to get blown up out of proportion compared to other relationships China has with places like Tibet or some of the far western provinces. I could be wrong though.
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Norway25712 Posts
That would be awesome! Wouuld love to see the Chinese starcrafters get some more exposure, I've barely seen any games from any Chinese progamer, but the ones I have seen were pretty awesome.
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On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events
I'm pretty sure the language is called 'Mandrin', not chinese.
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On December 21 2011 02:54 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events I'm pretty sure the language is called 'Mandrin', not chinese.
"Mandarin" is actually a word originated from Indian language, meaning "officer" or "official". Western colonists adopted this word during their time in asia to describe the "offcial language" that Chinese officers speaks. Unlike the English or other latino language, Chinese characters emphasize more about the meaning rather than pronunciation. This result into a situation that ppl speak differently across the contry while there's only one form of written language. Mandarin is the way spoken in northern China area and used as a standard nowadays.
To explain this in more detail. People in bay area probably can tell if someone has a New York accent, but wont have any difficaulty to understand their speakings. Even for more distant land such as Austrilia or even Indian/Chinese immigrant who's not very fluent with English this is not a significant problem b/c English language itself can be read as it is. Without using Mandarin as a standard a Shanghainese just cannot vocally communicate with a Cantonese, despite that they probably read posts from eachother on forum everyday.
Chinese language by its written form is the most influencial language in asia area. Japanese retain about 2000 "kanji" (Chinese character) in daily use, and even in modern Korea Chinese characters are the formal way of writting, Korean language in everyday use is acutally an artifically language that specifically designed to lower the rate of illiteracy (Korean express the pronunciation, like english).
After KMT retreat from mainland, Mandarin has became the standard Taiwanese language. A Beijinger would have difficualty to understand what a Cantonese is talking, but can commuticate with Taiwanese w/o the slightest trouble, just because of Mandarin.
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On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events
Mainland and Taiwan are rule by different government, that has been a fact for more than 60 years. The complication is the majority of mainlander and about half Taiwanese actually think there should only be one China, the current situation is just a left over by unfinished civil war. From PRC's perspective, seeking to participate in international events AS INDEPENDENT COUNTRY is touching the buttom line and denying the future possibility of re-unite (for example, participating WCG as independent contry).
Actually there's something called 1992 consensus to address this issue, which is probably really hard to understand by ppl not much involved in this issue. What it says is basically both sides agree that there's only one China, but represent this very "China" differently. PRC agrees that Taiwan is eligible to get invovled with international events as the Taiwan province of ROC, in return Taiwan cease to seek for identity as independent county in those events. The offically name of Taiwan team in Olympic games is actually Chinese Taipei, and the Olympic flag is actually raised per there're any Taiwan medalist.
After all this is probably one of the most complicated political issue ever existed. There's really no hate between mainlanders and Taiwanese, but both side fell into politic tarpit and struggling to make a move without hurting other aspect of the existing order. We sc2 lovers shall not complicate this furthur more and simply enjoy the game.
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On December 19 2011 19:39 fish83814 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
They do? I didn't know that. In any case, I'd be really thankful if I were Taiwanese that a country that could conquer mine at a whim has not to this day and seems to have no intent of doing so. they can't do that not without causing serious international consequences and it won't do if they just blow us into pieces they wont want to conquer a ruin
They couldn't in the past, because the Taiwanese government was the old Chinese government that fled from Mao, giving them a main seat in the UN, and today both countries are a part of UN, so they cant
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On December 21 2011 08:37 miushock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events Mainland and Taiwan are rule by different government, that has been a fact for more than 60 years. The complication is the majority of mainlander and about half Taiwanese actually think there should only be one China, the current situation is just a left over by unfinished civil war. From PRC's perspective, seeking to participate in international events AS INDEPENDENT COUNTRY is touching the buttom line and denying the future possibility of re-unite (for example, participating WCG as independent contry). Actually there's something called 1992 consensus to address this issue, which is probably really hard to understand by ppl not much involved in this issue. What it says is basically both sides agree that there's only one China, but represent this very "China" differently. PRC agrees that Taiwan is eligible to get invovled with international events as the Taiwan province of ROC, in return Taiwan cease to seek for identity as independent county in those events. The offically name of Taiwan team in Olympic games is actually Chinese Taipei, and the Olympic flag is actually raised per there're any Taiwan medalist. After all this is probably one of the most complicated political issue ever existed. There's really no hate between mainlanders and Taiwanese, but both side fell into politic tarpit and struggling to make a move without hurting other aspect of the existing order. We sc2 lovers shall not complicate this furthur more and simply enjoy the game.
This might be the most concise and accurate statement about chinese-taiwan relations I have read in a gaming forum.
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On December 21 2011 21:25 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:39 fish83814 wrote:On December 19 2011 19:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
They do? I didn't know that. In any case, I'd be really thankful if I were Taiwanese that a country that could conquer mine at a whim has not to this day and seems to have no intent of doing so. they can't do that not without causing serious international consequences and it won't do if they just blow us into pieces they wont want to conquer a ruin They couldn't in the past, because the Taiwanese government was the old Chinese government that fled from Mao, giving them a main seat in the UN, and today both countries are a part of UN, so they cant
This is very misleading. Taiwan, or ROC, is NOT part of UN. PRC replaced ROC's position as permanent member of UN security concil in 1971.
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On December 16 2011 04:39 Straylight wrote:
Anyone know what PJ is up to these days?
maybe a businessman
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On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events
台湾的兄弟,国家统一大势所趋,共产党是很强大滴
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On December 21 2011 02:54 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 fish83814 wrote:On December 19 2011 18:49 chenchen wrote:
Yeah for some odd reason, westerners seem to think that China and Taiwan are analogous to North Korea and South Korea.
It's probably more analogous to Canada and the US. You can travel freely between China and Taiwan just like how you can travel freely between Canada and the US. Mainland China and Taiwan share the exact same cultural heritage and a common history. Every Taiwanese student has studied Chinese literature and Chinese history for most of their life, since elementary school. 98% of Taiwanese people, essentially everyone except for aboriginals, have ancestry somewhere in Mainland China. Taiwanese and Chinese films, tv series, and music are all promoted on both sides of the strait. Some Taiwanese, mostly the younger ones, might get irked when you call him Chinese, just like how a Canadian might get offended if you call him American, but that's only because they don't want to associate themselves with the communist government. There are many many totally different terms in Chinese that are all translated into English as "Chinese person" (citizen of the Middle Kingdom, descendant of the Yellow Emperor, descendant of the Han Dynasty, etc etc). When a Taiwanese person refers to himself as being "not Chinese", he's more likely than not referring to the fact that he's not a citizen of the People's Republic of China. There are certain Chinese terms that are translated as "Chinese" that almost no Taiwanese person can deny as what they are. The very same Republic of China government that brainwashed three generations of Taiwanese to hate the communists also shoved Chinese culture down their throats, choking out any sort of regional Taiwanese identity. as a Taiwanese, i found most of these correct culturally and ethnically Chinese and Taiwanese are almost identical we study Chinese history, Chinese literature and Chinese philosophy we don't deny being culturally Chinese, we are nothing if we do so we are proud of it there are many ways to say that in Chinese, but English translate almost all of those vocabulary or phrase into the same one......"Chinese" like "華人"-descendant of Chinese (ethnically) "漢人"-descendant of Han Dynasty as the previous post say "中文"-Chinese (language) "中國人"-Chinese (nationality) so it is both right and wrong to call a Taiwanese "Chinese" in so many ways we are Chinese, but in others we are not and this fact will also be true in a lot of Asian countries and to make it clear, Taiwanese have been calling ourselves Chinese less in recent years most of the time, we preferred to be called Taiwanese the majority of Taiwanese don't actually hate Chinese people we just don't like their government bully us in international events I'm pretty sure the language is called 'Mandrin', not chinese.
as a chinese ,as i know ,mandarin comes from the Qing dynasty(the last dynasty in china,the Man nationality ),now china is new china ,95%people is the Han nationality,i think the language is called chinese .BTW most chinese dont konw what is mandrin
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On December 17 2011 21:15 hahaimhenry wrote:
Sky needs to quit WC3 and just start playing SC2 so he doesn't miss an opportunity like this!
sky won't play SC2,infi does,infi is a genius
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On December 17 2011 13:14 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:32 onedayclose wrote:On December 17 2011 12:19 EricFartman wrote:
the big problem in China. SC2 is not really more ppl love it. they love Dota, LOL, CrossFire or MMO, so sad to me. Even no one play sc2 in public Netbar. Netbar is most important way for spreading sc2 in China. BLZ and Netease do nothing on it. Perhaps if these Netbars hosted more SC2 tournaments and/or barcraft events people would see what the game actually is. I can't imagine the BroodWar scene there has just disappeared. blizzard has done an awful job at promoting sc2 in asia from what i hear.
you are right ,blizzard choosed a wrong ally(neteasy) in china
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On December 16 2011 16:37 SystemXN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 16:13 haduken wrote:
Wait wait... iG.Edison's last name is Chen? ROFL iG.EdIsOn's last name is Wu. I think Chinese fans call him Chen because of that famous Edison Chen.
...you know edison chen!!!!!!!!
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On December 16 2011 07:22 rauk wrote:
if we were to just go by the top players in china by results in their team league right now it'd be
f91
loner
yhy
xy
super
macsed
loveTT
F91
loner
xigua
the best player i think
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On December 16 2011 03:31 henjai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 03:30 Rockztar wrote:
What other Chinese Terrans besides Loner should we look out for if this happens? infi was top of the ladder for a while, also a top wc3 player but has disappeared lately
right ,infi play both sc2 and wc3 now ,but WC3 IS more improtant for him
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