EPTNaNiwa-GOM Controversy General Thread - Page 7
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We understand this is an issue that has led to a lot of opinions. Please remember above all to keep the discussion respectful and on topic. - This thread is specifically about NaNiwa and GOM and the controversy that occurred between them. It is not about IdrA and Sen in Code S, nor is it about any other players or tournaments. Pleas discuss that here. - This thread is not about the merits of the Blizzard Cup structure, or GOM's foreigner invite system. Please discuss that here. - Finally, this thread is not about Korean culture, Swedish culture, or any other ethnicity or group of people. Keep racism and cultural stereotypes out of this thread. Responsibility for keeping a thread constructive is primarily yours. Please keep that in mind. | ||
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seabass
Canada15 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
Nani was really upset, and in his emotional state he forfeited a game. Yes, as it turns out pro gamers aren't perfect humans *gasp*!!!! Nani has apologized, Gom made it clear they weren't kicking him and cleared up all the misunderstandings--so let's move on with our lives. | ||
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The Pale King
33 Posts
There is a strong desire in the fan-base of Starcraft 2 to see the game taken to a high level of public reception. Unfortunately, the youthful identity of the community is uncomfortable with abandoning an aspect of what makes gaming great, that being the casual nature that makes gaming entertaining and filled with expectations for unlimited creativity. We don't have to make a choice between entertainment and professional structure, but we need to reach and agreed upon format for delivering Starcraft 2 from the players, through the media structures, and into our living rooms! GOM simply wants to set a very high expectation that the viewer can expect. When Naniwa becomes an emotional vehicle and distracts the viewer from a standardized expectation of entertainment, hes not just going against GOM's business plan... he's offending the soul of the organizers who are trying so hard to bridge the disconnect between entertainment and professionalism. Ask yourself, do you want to see Naniwa as a child playing a game, or as a professional putting his trade on display? This is an exciting time for video games, we have a possibility for a whole new brand of professional entertainment that incorporates a high degree of player creativity! Its up to us to determine if we want it! | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
does he have code a seed or does he need to go through the qualifiers and if so, does he plan to? | ||
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:38 jinorazi wrote: what is naniwa's plan? does he have code a seed or does he need to go through the qualifiers and if so, does he plan to? He will have to go through code B and on Lo3 he confirmed that he will do so. | ||
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0ceangam3r
United States203 Posts
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-CheekyDuck-
Australia398 Posts
if anything they should change the tournament structure. | ||
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zhenherald
Canada37 Posts
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
Besides, Naniwa didn't earn his Code-S spot in the first place. It was suppose to be given to him. but Naniwa screwed up, and now it's not being given to him. Seems simple. HOWEVER. This is finals week for university students like me. Hence, my subconscious (just like many people on TL apparently) seems to want to turn this into a big deal as to justify my chronic procrastination. Therefore: GOMTV THIS IS HORRIBLE HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO THE FOREIGNER COMMUNITY!!!! WE NEED THIS!1!!1!! KESPA 2.0 RAWRAWRAWR!!11! I'LL NEVER BUY A SEASON PASS AGAIN!! AT LEAST NOT UNTIL I REALIZE THAT THIS SEASON INVOLVES IDRA!1!!!ONE!!! AND NANIWA HOW COULD YOU DISRESPECT ESPORTS IN SUCH A CATASTROPHIC MANNER!11!!! PROBE RUSH!?!?! YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST CRAP ON BOXER'S FACE!1!!1! THIS IS WORSE THAN SAVIORX87987987!! GOMTV SHOULD HAVE YOUR FINGERS CHOPPED OFF SO YOU CAN NEVER GAME AGAIN!! | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I am just watching ex-SKT progamer  Dove playing on twitch.tv. He was until just now undefeated on ICCup, which is a brood war equivalent to battle.net. He just lost his first game to an insane cheese where the other guy rushed zealots into dragoons into DTs into arbiters, all of it while Dove was trying to give his best and most entertaining game with a rather unorthodox bio strategy against a protoss opponent. After he lost the very close game he kept saying "I'm sorry" on his stream.NaNiwa could really learn something from this guy I think. What NaNiwa did wasn't unforgivable or anything, but Dove has just showed me how I think progamers should act.Thank you | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:11 prplhz wrote: Hey guys I am just watching ex-SKT progamer Dove playing on twitch.tv. He was until just now undefeated on ICCup, which is a brood war equivalent to battle.net. He just lost his first game to an insane cheese where the other guy rushed zealots into dragoons into DTs into arbiters, all of it while Dove was trying to give his best and most entertaining game with a rather unorthodox bio strategy against a protoss opponent. After he lost the very close game he kept saying "I'm sorry" on his stream.NaNiwa could really learn something from this guy I think. What NaNiwa did wasn't unforgivable or anything, but Dove has just showed me how I think progamers should act.Thank you Every time I see a programer say "I'm sorry for disappointing my fans" I die a little inside. If they don't mean it they shouldn't feel they have to say it. If they do it's even more messed up. | ||
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Aurorajp
Canada43 Posts
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Taiki
Norway57 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:24 The Pale King wrote: ''GOM's decision is a hallmark in the history of competitive gaming. I think that it is perhaps irrelevant whether or not you [we] agree with the ethical nature of the decision regarding it's impact on Naniwa personally. This is a community largely composed of young, untrained people who are learning and practicing how to present their trade to the world. Up until now, there have been very few stringent rules put in place to order the way players present their particular game as a professional craft. GOM is setting a standard here; stop fucking around! There is a strong desire in the fan-base of Starcraft 2 to see the game taken to a high level of public reception. Unfortunately, the youthful identity of the community is uncomfortable with abandoning an aspect of what makes gaming great, that being the casual nature that makes gaming entertaining and filled with expectations for unlimited creativity. We don't have to make a choice between entertainment and professional structure, but we need to reach and agreed upon format for delivering Starcraft 2 from the players, through the media structures, and into our living rooms! GOM simply wants to set a very high expectation that the viewer can expect. When Naniwa becomes an emotional vehicle and distracts the viewer from a standardized expectation of entertainment, hes not just going against GOM's business plan... he's offending the soul of the organizers who are trying so hard to bridge the disconnect between entertainment and professionalism. Ask yourself, do you want to see Naniwa as a child playing a game, or as a professional putting his trade on display? This is an exciting time for video games, we have a possibility for a whole new brand of professional entertainment that incorporates a high degree of player creativity! Its up to us to determine if we want it! This. I will unashamedly say that I love Starcraft and that one of my greatest wishes is for eSports and Starcraft to be considered a real and accepted mainstream sport. If that is to become a reality, Naniwas behaviour in that game should never be accepted by anyone. Naniwa has now apologized and even though I hated the fact that he threw the match, I accept his apology because I hope he has learned from something from this experience. While GOM's decision to take away his Code or whatever wasn't the best. It sets a precedence for how you should conduct yourself as a professional gamer. I also hope that MLG and other turnaments takes note of this and properly punnishes players who blatantly throw games from now on. | ||
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bricksquad
31 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
Also, I'm agreeing with Jinro/Tyler etc about the punishment. A punishment was good, but this was to rough. Just like in the ESV tv incident with coca and byun the punishment seem to be a panic reaction from the fans outrage, instead of actually being a premediated punishment coming out of rational though of the action that the player did. Additionally supporting that theory is the fact that they made the announcment that he wasn't getting a code S spot so fast, the leeway they then tried to find in the new format simply seems to be a coverup if you ask me. Whatever punishment they would have had decided to come to, I would have much prefered if they simply gave a statement that they would consider what action to take. Then after the emotions had went down slightly in a week or two, they could have taken a rational decision. Possibly they'd still feel this was the right one, but at least then one wouldn't have to wonder if it simply was because of emotions or panic of the fans outrage. | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:24 The Pale King wrote: GOM's decision is a hallmark in the history of competitive gaming. I think that it is perhaps irrelevant whether or not you [we] agree with the ethical nature of the decision regarding it's impact on Naniwa personally. This is a community largely composed of young, untrained people who are learning and practicing how to present their trade to the world. Up until now, there have been very few stringent rules put in place to order the way players present their particular game as a professional craft. GOM is setting a standard here; stop fucking around! There is a strong desire in the fan-base of Starcraft 2 to see the game taken to a high level of public reception. Unfortunately, the youthful identity of the community is uncomfortable with abandoning an aspect of what makes gaming great, that being the casual nature that makes gaming entertaining and filled with expectations for unlimited creativity. We don't have to make a choice between entertainment and professional structure, but we need to reach and agreed upon format for delivering Starcraft 2 from the players, through the media structures, and into our living rooms! GOM simply wants to set a very high expectation that the viewer can expect. When Naniwa becomes an emotional vehicle and distracts the viewer from a standardized expectation of entertainment, hes not just going against GOM's business plan... he's offending the soul of the organizers who are trying so hard to bridge the disconnect between entertainment and professionalism. Ask yourself, do you want to see Naniwa as a child playing a game, or as a professional putting his trade on display? This is an exciting time for video games, we have a possibility for a whole new brand of professional entertainment that incorporates a high degree of player creativity! Its up to us to determine if we want it! This is a way to grand way to interpret the decision made by GOM. It's possible that this misstake that happened, that was mainly naniwas fault but slightly gom's as well, gave the sc2 world a good lesson, but not because of how grandly GOM treated the situation by punishing naniwa this hardly. I'd rather then agree with Tyler that the punishment was illogical and irrational (I might be over interpretting Tyler, one can make his own opinion of that in the OP where his text is linked) as there was no actual rule that naniwa broke, so meanwhile what Naniwa did can not be said to be smart or good in anyway, gomtv cannot be said to be good because they punish someone who obviously didn't know they did something that deserved punishment. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
http://www.mirror.co.uk/mobile/topsport/2011/11/11/jon-daly-is-banned-from-australian-golf-after-storming-off-course-115875-23552996/ | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:18 hypercube wrote: Every time I see a programer say "I'm sorry for disappointing my fans" I die a little inside. If they don't mean it they shouldn't feel they have to say it. If they do it's even more messed up. they don't have to say it, but at least act accordingly to the rule when participating in tournaments. People have to pay respects to their bosses and customers every day, this is no different, even if you don't care about them | ||
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Baobab
Korea (South)153 Posts
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