EPT NaNiwa was unhappy about having to play a meaningless game after having lost all of his previous games, and apparently requested that he be allowed to forfeit the match.
This is a lie. He never asked if he could forfeit the match.
NaNiwa-GOM Controversy General Thread - Page 15
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
This is a lie. He never asked if he could forfeit the match. | ||
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
On December 18 2011 01:29 Ravomat wrote: GOM hosted an entertainment show and hoped it would be competitive. They need to treat players as players and not as entertainers. this wraps up the hole thing. They are thinking of SC2 as an entertainment show and want make money out of it - they're fucking unprofessional! They have to show respect to the players in first place and don't force them to play. Nobody needs GOM and the GSL. Just every other organisation could make this Tournaments and E-Sport would be just fine. But we need the player - without them there is no E-Sport. GOM has to fucking respect the players! I would love to see if many pros would get their asses together an decline their invitations and avoid the GSL completly, until they apologize to the community and especially to Naniwa. They nearly fucked up his whole career and life. Don't blame Naniwa - they had no RULES, they had bad format - they were unprofessional in first place. Unprofessional rules lead to unprofessional outcomes. Stick it just to yourself GOM. | ||
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KaptenCulpa
Sweden29 Posts
On December 17 2011 23:08 ETisME wrote: Except that there are higher courts which can set laws? New laws can be made to cover up holes and loops that the current ones have. It is even more important that the laws are doing what its purpose is. Honestly, you should be glad that nani isn't playing at GSL because at the very least, he isn't going to get anymore hate from the korean side. when a player comes to a tournament, sit down in a booth and plays the game, they should respect the opponent and viewer, throwing games off like this is quite disrespectful. SCV and marine rush games are actually possible to lead to win, whereas probe rush, really isn't. Well, I study law in Sweden at Stockholm university. It says that your from Hong Kong, and I have to admit im not familiar with Chinese law. But a general rule of law is no punishment without law. This means that the courts go bye the law, and if someone is slipping by the rules doing something that you in retrospect which you had a rule against, they will just set that person free. If then the lawmaker thinks he is cleaver and makes a new law for that offence that works retroactivly (reaches offences back in time). That is what is considerd an "ex post facto" law. The courts even, and especialy the higher ones should just set him free anyways because retroactive laws are considerd in breach with the human rights. Exampels are The Eurpean Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, article 7. Article 7 No punishment without law 1. No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under national or international law at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the criminal offence was committed. 2. This Article shall not prejudice the trial and punishment of any person for any act or omission which, at the time when it was committed, was criminal according to the general principles of law recognised by civilised nations. Se also. Article 11, paragraph 2 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 15, paragraph 1 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights In most countries there is also protection I civil cases against retroactive laws. But for example in tax laws its sometimes allowed. I am not saying that what has been done to Nani is a human-rights violation. I just wanted to clear up that retroactive law, and punishment without law, Is frowned upon in society. Your statement: "Except that there are higher courts which can set laws? New laws can be made to cover up holes and loops that the current ones have. It is even more important that the laws are doing what its purpose is." I really hope this is not your view on society, but only on Starcraft tournaments. I strongly disagree in both cases. I understand that you don't like Nani actions (might be an understatement). But is retroactive rules, or penalty's without rules really the way you want e-sports to go? sorry for offtopic, just wanted to clear this up- | ||
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