EPTGOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 62
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:53 dAPhREAk wrote: or maybe they had decided idra for sure, but the debate was ongoing related to naniwa/sen. then, after the present debacle they decided sen wins over naniwa for the spot and they announced sen as the winner. speculation is fun. could be but seems more likely that they decided on idra and naniwa locked in as a spot already from MLG exchange. Since they felt like naniwa is not fit for code S, they opened a spot for someone else. Unless they really needed to see the results of naniwa in bizzcup to finalize their decision because there was no tournament from a week ago to now besides that. They could have made their decision when they made the choice to pick idra. Just seems weird. | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:10 101998 wrote: Thanks for making my decision not to ever watch a GOM event again easy. I was going back and forth on it but this post seals the deal. Also, I love how in GSL October Up and Down group C you didn't have the last two matches played because they wouldn't have effected the result but you go ahead and have Naniwa and Nestea play under the same situtation. GOM showing who the true joke trounament is. Your retarded, are you comparing up and down matches to the blizzard cup? They arenoteven in the same category of cometetion. Good riddance, honestly it disgusts me how our community comes together and then people say shit like this, and over react to a situation that has been dealt with. If this was a Korean who had done this he would get year suspension. Educate yourself on a culture before you talk shit about esports. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:02 nickycakes wrote: I already charged back my purchase. Does that still qualify as "lying to myself"? You will most likely buy it once the season starts anyway. And if you think there's any significant amount of foreigners not buying tickets because of this, or even remotely comparable to how many koreans would've not bought them had gom let nanniwa get away with his behavior, you're delusional. | ||
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hnQ
113 Posts
people comparing this to football teams sending their worst players against teams that are leagues below them. hilarious. even those b-teams should win comfortably and they actually TRY, they don't throw games like naniwa did. also, saying that this is an overreaction because the game was pointless is pretty saddening. that's groupstages for you, deal with it, the PAYING fans and those who expect the matches to be great don't have any fault that a player just didn't had enough in him to win some matches, he was stupid enough to think that probe rushing NesTea would just quickly end his miserable run in the Cup. he disrespected NesTea, GOM, the fans and the hardworking players that wanted to be in his spot. good for GOM to take a stand. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:08 hunts wrote: You will most likely buy it once the season starts anyway. And if you think there's any significant amount of foreigners not buying tickets because of this, or even remotely comparable to how many koreans would've not bought them had gom let nanniwa get away with his behavior, you're delusional. Yeah, Gom would have lost stuff either way, and the loss of respect they'd suffer in Korea would probably be more damaging in the long term than the few buys they'll lose over this. SC2 is struggling to be respected in Korea as it is. This incident would be perfect fodder to use against it by anyone who wants to hang on to BW being better and more respectable. Gom definitely did the right thing from a homeland PR perspective, just really controversial in the foreign community. Actually I am wondering if we'll get any feedback on how the Korean community as a whole has responded to this. | ||
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BlindSight754
Canada156 Posts
Theres no way GOM would have removed him from Code S if he had done a silly all-in without any heart. He could have built up a small force, pulled all his probes and then a-moved into whatever Nestea had. Who knows, he might have had a BO win. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
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Lorizean
Germany1330 Posts
This way it just looks like they try to wiggle themselves out of the whole "taking away NaNis Code S seed" to "not considering him anymore" (which is a _huge_ difference). I think GOM could've handled themselves better, but in the end I can totally understand to take NaNiWa out of consideration for the Seed. I'm really curious what happened to MLG/GSL partnership now though, if MLG doesn't grant any sure seeds anymore (it now seems more like a GOM invites who GOM wants to invite system), do the Koreans still get seeded into MLG? I guess we'll have to see how the new 2012 MLG system works out. | ||
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Gobe
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z0nk
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Programes are professional athletes, they play to compete, to win and to the Sport ideal. They are not showmen, they are not there primarly to entertain the masses at our pleasure. This is not WWE. Putting two progamers in a situation they need to play without having any chance to progress in the tournament is embarassing, it's a violence against them. They play to win and it is in their hearts, but when ou put them in a ridiculous situation like that, they need to pretend they are competing, they need to become actors, an this is shame. Naniwa took a stand, and even if it was not the best one at that moment, he clearly took a stand to say he is not a clown, he is a competitor. He was true to his ideal and heart and now you are punishing him for being honest, to him and to us. Me, and everyone that love Starcraft as a Sport, and not as a Show, support Naniwa, and taking his Code S seed arbitrarely as you did is an offense to everyone that loves esports. Sourcehttp://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212717&cid=0&kind=1 I think this guy has a great argument. That is exactly what I've been saying some pages ago. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:13 BlindSight754 wrote: I really wish Naniwa had 4gated or something. Even though there really would have been no difference between that and his probe rush he would have at least deluded people enough to not cause all the drama. Theres no way GOM would have removed him from Code S if he had done a silly all-in without any heart. He could have built up a small force, pulled all his probes and then a-moved into whatever Nestea had. Who knows, he might have had a BO win. And it's sad Naniwa haters claiming to be outraged paying fans will blame him for it when it happens all the time and it's partially the tournament's fault for facilitating such pointless matches. They'll take garbage games and eat it all up. | ||
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SojuPrime
Korea (South)7 Posts
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Mooneyes
Sweden72 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:08 hunts wrote: You will most likely buy it once the season starts anyway. And if you think there's any significant amount of foreigners not buying tickets because of this, or even remotely comparable to how many koreans would've not bought them had gom let nanniwa get away with his behavior, you're delusional. Ofc you are right we internet trolls have no principles... /sarcasm off Its what customers can do. Its not hard to understand. If everyone always reasoned as you do nothing would ever change. A bit OT: i find it funny that most tournaments try to be international, while G(lobal)SL only seems to look at everything from a korean perspective. | ||
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
What naniwa did is definitely in the grey area, but boycotting is definitely wrong. Think about it guys, don't act like a kid. | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
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Elfian
United States28 Posts
Also from what I read, GOM said money isn't the only important thing, which doesn't mean money is not important. | ||
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oBlade
United States5272 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:05 synaptik wrote: because capitalizing sentences on a internet discussion board is indicative of my intelligence and worth. amirite? he behaved like a kid, he deserves to be called a kid. Not your intelligence and worth, no (although as far as inferences go, I wouldn't call it a long shot). Capitalizing sentences here means you are respecting the board by putting effort into your posts no matter what their content might be. The fact alone that you don't capitalize isn't the crux of my argument, it's the consilience of different, independent points about you: deriding people who will freely use their wallet with respect to GSL season passes, not capitalizing anything, and ironically calling a 21 year old a kid because of his purported childish behavior. I'd like to see more empathy. People are prone to confirmation bias when it comes to a preconception they have about a player like Naniwa. I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is just an honest person who loves the game. I don't think the answer is confusing his manner with his skills and taking his Code S away (or Code S candidacy - still have to wait for MLG on this). And his manner is fine anyways. As Idra says, fix the format and excise meaningless games. GOM is at fault for that anyway. Naniwa and Nestea is not an isolated case: in general they won't be quite as good. It strikes me as weird that there are simultaneously people posting "GOM is a business, they can do whatever they want" and suggesting people still feed them money to watch the games. | ||
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Kortosis
United States6 Posts
I am joining the masses who will not be subscribing to the GSL anytime soon. I much rather enjoy the IP, and heck even the NASL with their crappy stream than a league that treats players the way it does. Naniwa, props for taking it like a man and making GOM look stupid. I look forward to seeing your success in the near future. Nani fighting!!! | ||
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