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On December 15 2011 06:17 Paladia wrote:
There has to be some kind of legal security if these tournaments are ever suppose to be taken seriously. If you do an action, you must be able to forsee the consequences based on the ruleset.
In no way can you foresee that doing a probe rush in a 100% worthless game in a completely different tournament would all of a sudden get you banned from Code S which you've already been granted a slot in. You can't have tournament organizers decide on a whim who gets banned and who gets special treatment.
So while Naniwa did something poorly, GomTV has as well.
I would disagree entirely, even though it's not really a good place in this thread, though by the same token, your post has no place in this thread either.
You even pretending GSL isn't taken seriously is ignorant at the very best. Beyond that, are you really suggesting that players need specific rules to conduct themselves appropriately and professionally? Really? And it's not up to tournaments to decide what is and isn't proper in the first place? I'm sorry if you don't feel that players should act professionally because "they're just people" or whatever argument you'd like to make, but it's past time that people understand that SC is something that's going to take itself seriously and have standards, and when you violate those standards it's bad for everyone in esports, and beyond that, no one person is above that just because they have some fans.
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Khaldor tried to ask him a bit ago on his stream about the Blizzard cup. His response? "Shit happens"
Take that as you will.
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On December 15 2011 06:19 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:18 Ashenshugar wrote:On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time. Gom didn't man up & take the blame & you're not criticizing that.. They didn't even apologize to the fans for the horrible tournament format that allowed this to happen - Naniwa did man up & apologize. If you read his statement you can see he's genuinely confused about this situation. Silly bias is silly.. You sir are as biased as him...
How?
On December 15 2011 06:19 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:18 Ashenshugar wrote:On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time. Gom didn't man up & take the blame & you're not criticizing that.. They didn't even apologize to the fans for the horrible tournament format that allowed this to happen - Naniwa did man up & apologize. If you read his statement you can see he's genuinely confused about this situation. Silly bias is silly.. because GOM didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to apologize for? don't like the format? don't accept the invitation and play in their tournament.
Naniwa had no obligation to do no more than a probe rush.. He did what he was there to do no more & no less. Naniwa technically did nothing wrong - anyone uncapable of seeing this need to watch SOTG & see liquid tyler spitting truth..
The summery of it being he didn't do what was right for anyone but he did fulfill his obligation to the tournament. And if Gom wants more than that they need to make rules to support that.
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Heh, it's impossible to read everything, as the thread grows faster than I can read it 
However, I feel like this apology really is coming from Naniwa, which means (if it really is coming from him) that he has grown A LOT during this one day.
All respect. Quantic is a team to respect, and maybe at least I will have a better eye for Naniwa 
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On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
Thank God my IQ is above 25. Soccer is a game. Baseball is a game. Cricket is a game. All sports are just games.
Flip that coin...
They are also professionals....get out of the dainty dark hole you were born in and come out into the real world. Idra never throws games. He'll leave when he thinks he can't win even if it's a misunderstanding. I'm sure NaNiwa didn't think he would win from the start with the probe rush. It was blatant.
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Maybe if this was Naniwas only questionable action they would let him keep his spot, but he has quite a history.
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How did the Startale players and managers react? Are they still "cool" with naniwa?
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On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate.
They won't though. Right now they are acting like the big boy in the room and hiding behind a false moral high ground. Recent statements from them and their community indicate that they cannot and will not recognize that their format had any part in precipitating this situation.
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thiS is is seriously the perfect team for nANiwa destiny and inkA.
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Koreans are not big on forgiveness.
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LMAO! The Quantic statement was pretty standard. But Naniwa's apology.... I bet 100 bucks that this is absolutely not from him. I couldnt stop laughing once I pictured Naniwa makes this statement ^^
Should put a video showing Naniwa reading the pre-written apology statement with dead face and anger in his eyes
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All I know is that the Naniwa/Nestea rivalry is the best freaking rivalry evar!
It's good to see his team supporting him though - definitely like Quantic's approach compared to Complexity
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I think Quantic is handling this situation quite well. Hopefully both GOM and Naniwa have learned somethink from this.
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Another meaningless PR. Naniwa doesn't think one second that he plays for anyone other than himself. That's how he is that good. Call it selfish all you want, that's HIS way of achievement. Still it's sad for everyone.
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On December 15 2011 06:23 KimJongIlJr wrote:
Khaldor tried to ask him a bit ago on his stream about the Blizzard cup. His response? "Shit happens"
Take that as you will.
Khaldor said "Sorry about you going 0-3" and then nani said "yeah, shit happens"
Nani did NOT say "shit happens" in regards to this whole situation, please know this.
We don't need more misinterpreted comments.
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On December 15 2011 06:20 ThatGuy89 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:18 Paladia wrote:On December 15 2011 06:16 ThatGuy89 wrote:
sorry, what exactly did naniwa do? i havent watched much sc2 in a while (fucking skyrim -_-) He did a worker rush in a game against Nestea when they were both 0-3 in the group and neither had any chance of qualifing further.. lmao is that it? or was there some BM? ok i can kinnd of see why thats bad, but this much drama? 
Yes, that's it, there was no other BM or words uttered. Not even sure why this even created any attention what-so-ever, but I suppose a lot of people enjoy hating on Naniwa for some reason.
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It was nice and mature of QG and NaNiwa to apologize. I like NaNiwa when he plays his game. He's a damn dangerous protoss and I, as he even said, really wanted to see him take on the world's best zerg, Nestea. I was very disappointed.
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On December 15 2011 06:23 KimJongIlJr wrote:
Khaldor tried to ask him a bit ago on his stream about the Blizzard cup. His response? "Shit happens"
Take that as you will.
Don't take shit out of context please. He was talking about going 0-3 against Leenock/Polt/MMA
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It seems everyone involved is handling this appropriately - Naniwa made a mistake, GOM punished him with the consequences, and now Naniwa is apologizing and moving forward. He seems sincere, and I don't have any reason to disbelieve his apology.
Credit to GOM for upholding a standard of conduct, but also give credit to Naniwa and Quantic for saying "Hey, we made a big mistake. We understand the consequences, won't do it again, take our punishment, and move forward."
This is just a learning experience for the whole eSports community. If you want to be viewed as a professional, you have to act like one as well.
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