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On December 15 2011 06:18 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:16 ThatGuy89 wrote: sorry, what exactly did naniwa do? i havent watched much sc2 in a while (fucking skyrim -_-) He did a worker rush in a game against Nestea when they were both 0-3 in the group and neither had any chance of qualifing further.. lmao is that it? or was there some BM?
ok i can kinnd of see why thats bad, but this much drama?
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On December 15 2011 06:19 Dodgin wrote: Can we lock the 1000 threads about this now?
This is a thread started by the official PR from Quantic, they kind of have to post this.
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This whole situation is very very unfortunate for everyone involved ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif) I just hope that everyone learns from it and we can put this behind us in the new year.
I personally look forward to an improved Naniwa comming back with a new attitude, and to GOM not trying their best to ruin their own tournaments with stupid formats ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif)
Feel the love, TL. Feel the love.
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good PR move. unfortunately, its hard to find it sincere when it is vetted by the team and numerous drafts have probably been considered and rejected. i'll err on the side of sincerity though even though his post-game interview was probably more in align with his real thoughts.
edit: in his interview he said if he did it again, he would just do a meaningless 4-gate.
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NaNiwa definitely deserves another chance. I think this was a respectable apology.
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On December 15 2011 06:20 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:19 Dodgin wrote: Can we lock the 1000 threads about this now?
This is a thread started by the official PR from Quantic, they kind of have to post this.
I mean the other threads. Since this one resolves the issue in my eyes.
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Doesn't sound like naniwa at all. Did some pr guy write the statement for him?
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On December 15 2011 06:20 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:19 Dodgin wrote: Can we lock the 1000 threads about this now?
This is a thread started by the official PR from Quantic, they kind of have to post this.
i think he meant the other threads, not this one since its official not speculation
edit: ninja'd
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Is this the beginning of a new Naniwa?
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Very well said, the sooner everyone puts this behind them the better. I look forward to seeing a more mature naniwa in the future.
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illsick
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with only 5 GSL's next year with each season lasting 2 months
it might be awhile before he can reach code S, punishment was too severe
I thought he was going to be upset with GOM and maybe even quit trying to get into GSL after this incident but I'm glad he changed his outlook and is still considering to participate in future GSL's.
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that whole clearly progaming isnt just what i thought. Probably wasn't necessary at the end but a good apology.Naniwa its like you came from final fantasy seven into final fantasyX and people thought it was the end but then you came back and realized how great final fantasy was in the first place. NANIWA FTW
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I wonder if the same people saying Naniwa had this written by a PR guy, are the same people saying that in sports teams have to play games that don't matter. Would be kind of funny if they are.
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On December 15 2011 06:19 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:18 Ashenshugar wrote:On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote: I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time. Gom didn't man up & take the blame & you're not criticizing that.. They didn't even apologize to the fans for the horrible tournament format that allowed this to happen - Naniwa did man up & apologize. If you read his statement you can see he's genuinely confused about this situation. Silly bias is silly.. because GOM didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to apologize for? don't like the format? don't accept the invitation and play in their tournament.
Sorry, gom's tournament allowed it to happen. A really simple fix would have made it impossible, and when it happened it's all the player's fault cause it isn't in the rules. You don't have to be so emotionless and accept any and anything gomtv says as law.
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Time will tell if Naniwa's statement holds any truth, but for now I see no reason to doubt his sincerity so hopefully this all works out for him.
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Naniwa whaiting!
Good message from both Quantic and Naniwa, I would hope GSL will listen to it - but clearly unlikely.
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On December 15 2011 06:19 twndomn wrote: It's really a cultural gap. Not even IdrA would dare to do what Naniwa has done, while IN Korea. IdrA spent years in Korea to understand Korean culture (perhaps respect, status quo... etc) and then to get some respects from the Koreans. Naniwa has yet to do that. I think it's a cultural gap both ways. I think if Sundance was in Mr. Chae's position, you'd see the league taking responsibility for the format and not punishing the player this harshly. Both parties have been disrespectful and acted inappropriately. One has apologized and taken responsibility and now the other ought to.
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On December 15 2011 06:11 FidoDido wrote: When your own team doesn't condone your actions and makes formal apology is anyone still going to argue Naniwa is completely innocent? I don't get why people are still making threads or posting in others and arguing that Naniwa didn't do anything wrong. I truly hope Naniwa competes in prelims in the upcoming season instead of forfeiting completely and we can all put this behind us.
The main point people were trying to make isn't whether or not naniwa was right/wrong. It's that the punishment came out of nowhere and was too harsh. But there are other threads for that.
Nice statement from naniwa and quantic, nice to see he realized the implications of what he did, hopefully now the koreans and Mr. Chae will also see how much of an overreaction there was around this incident.
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On December 15 2011 06:20 ThatGuy89 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:18 Paladia wrote:On December 15 2011 06:16 ThatGuy89 wrote: sorry, what exactly did naniwa do? i havent watched much sc2 in a while (fucking skyrim -_-) He did a worker rush in a game against Nestea when they were both 0-3 in the group and neither had any chance of qualifing further.. lmao is that it? or was there some BM? ok i can kinnd of see why thats bad, but this much drama? ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif) That was absolutely everything that happened, nothing else.
There was this much drama because there's many people who just jumps on the hatewagon instantly simply because it's Naniwa whom has a history of being bm even if he's stated and proven that he's completely different from before.
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No worries, it doesn't bother me that much, but I do feel bad for Naniwa.
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