EPTIt's unprofessional but he's right that people are blowing it out of proportion it's not that big of a deal...
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RvB
Netherlands6250 Posts
It's unprofessional but he's right that people are blowing it out of proportion it's not that big of a deal... | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:43 laggikoN wrote: Yeah, embrace other cultures, don't question anything and don't try to understand eachother. If you're in another country, follow their social rules. Throw rocks at gay people until they die, bow to your "superiors", do everything in your power to get rich - stepping on as many toes as you possibly can, censor the internet, kill people trying to cross the border, hand out the death penalty, openly carry guns, use kids as soldiers, start wars over oil, don't learn english.. the list goes on and on... There are just so many cultural differences i'm just dying to embrace and make my own. NO, that's not how it works, people need to accept that different people have different culture and that those cultural things should never be forced upon someone who doesn't agree with them! word! The term culture is abused on a regular basis as an excuse for the worst kind of behaviour. | ||
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Phelski
United States142 Posts
How many times do u watch people stream and they get beat badly a few times in a row, or get stream cheated and then just either stop playing for a bit or turn stream off. He wasnt in a good mindset to play inportant games let alone on pointless game on stage on tv. Dont look at this situtation as some type of disrespect or that hes an ass. They shouldnt have to play games that WILL NOT DECIDE ANYTHING for the tournament. It has zero money implications, no seeding implications, nothing was to be gained by either player in this game. Its the same as in football- week 16/17 u have ur playoff spot clinched u sit ur best players. Fans dont get to see anything fun, tv ratings fall, but the players dont want to play for nothing so why should this be any differnt? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:50 RvB wrote: It's unprofessional but he's right that people are blowing it out of proportion it's not that big of a deal... This single act is being blown out of proportion because the person responsible has a history of being immature and undisciplined. Other players get breaks on their BM because they've earned it with past behavior. I don't think anything should happen to him, but I think it's folly to say it doesn't reflect poorly on his character. If GOM chooses to punish him in the future for it, so be it. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:51 Phelski wrote: get over it. why should he be forced to play another game for a half hr so YOU can watch it and see it. They were both out, he was pissed he lost, he should have been able to just decline to play a meaningless game. I dont understand why people are getting bent out of shape over this. How many times do u watch people stream and they get beat badly a few times in a row, or get stream cheated and then just either stop playing for a bit or turn stream off. He wasnt in a good mindset to play inportant games let alone on pointless game on stage on tv. Dont look at this situtation as some type of disrespect or that hes an ass. They shouldnt have to play games that WILL NOT DECIDE ANYTHING for the tournament. It has zero money implications, no seeding implications, nothing was to be gained by either player in this game. Its the same as in football- week 16/17 u have ur playoff spot clinched u sit ur best players. Fans dont get to see anything fun, tv ratings fall, but the players dont want to play for nothing so why should this be any differnt? why? i dunno.. because fans and sponsors are the ones who actually pay the players? | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
Naniwa should try his best to adapt to korean culture. Koreans should try to not to be offended from something he didn't know was offensive? I'm saying both cultures should try and accomodate one another. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:35 MichaelJLowell wrote: How do you think they make their living? They make their living by performing. The reason they get paid is that people pay to see the players perform. If they do not perform, they do not live up to their contractual obligations. That's why people get upset about this, just like people get upset when IdrA quits games and no-shows his matches. Not to mention the general grudge nature of the contest. Naniwa looks like the kid who told Nestea to meet him out in the schoolyard after class and cried "I don't want to fight anymore" after Nestea popped him in the jaw. And all of that would be appliable if he didn't play his match. He did. Just in a way you didn't like. Players don't have an obligation to play entertaining games, they have an obligation to play games. Whether they're entertaining or not it's for each person to decide. | ||
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Kemy
105 Posts
I just can't understand why he can't just sit back after loosing and just have fun in that last game knowing he was one of 10 freaking good players and be content with just that. Sometimes I feel you still need to be able to have fun with what you're doing. There may be many more years and a ton of GSL's he can still win... | ||
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clayn
Germany444 Posts
GJ retard! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
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Aro
Canada36 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:56 Aro wrote: How is this different from a sports team playing their bench in meaningless games? That's actually a really good analogy. | ||
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tlin
25 Posts
"I just wanted to show an enjoyable game". | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:55 clayn wrote: He's just hurting himself as nobody wants him to play in tournaments anymore. GJ retard! It's pretty uncalled for to call him a retard. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:57 GrungyMunchy wrote: That's actually a really good analogy. uh this very analogy has been discussed many times in this, and other similar thread. | ||
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laggikoN
Sweden213 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:58 Govou wrote: uh this very analogy has been discussed many times in this, and other similar thread. Still holds just as true... | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
edit: wonder who's the one that needs to 'be less angry' now, lol | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
GomTV sets up a tournament with the alleged best players of the year (that was the goal at least) with a clearly defined qualification system and a pretty transparent setup. The goal was to "finish off" the season with a highlight tournament, 12 exceptionel players playing it out. In these groups every single match could be a final of a different tournament and is highly anticipated so they schedule that they would broadcast every match (something all pros knew in advance). Honestly of todays games i looked forward to Naniwa vs. Nestea the most, mostly because of the MLG drama behind it. So is it surprising that i am disappointed by Nani's behaviour? Now completly disregarding my own expecations (because frankly Naniwa owes me little to nothing) there are quite a few people who Naniwa actually does owe something, namely his team Quantic who took a not so insignificant risk in signing him, no matter his reputation and Nestea. Considering the ceremony and general attitude around MLG he owed Nestea a rematch, as one professional to another. With his actions he basically showed that he doesn't respect Nestea at all. Frankly that is not an attitude i will support in any way. Being BM around the games is fine, as long as you behave like a professional while you are in the booth. His behaviour at MLG was bad enough (the game stopping/restarting/replay drama, not the thumbs down stuff after the game that was fine imho) but if you cannot be arsed to play such a highly anticipated match for your fans you shouldn't be up on that stage. Note: to all the real sports analogies (which sometimes fit and sometimes don't) consider if "your team" is playing a rival, someone who eliminated them from a previous tournament, or beat them in a highly contested game somewhere, do you honestly think they would not bring their A team and A game? Those rivalries are what sports are all about, not always the who wins what league, but also if your local team XY managed to beat their rival. Naniwa "created" such a rivalry at MLG, and now he failed to live up to it when he was given the chance to write the next chapter. | ||
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:57 GrungyMunchy wrote: That's actually a really good analogy. Because the bench players actually give effort. Even going through the motions is more effort than this. The only thing really equivalent to this is W. Germany vs. Austria in '82 when the W. Germans just ran around aimlessly without even trying to play the match. They were reamed for it, by Germans too. If he really didn't want to play, they he simply should've not played. He wasn't being any more honest than other people. | ||
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