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ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 20:23:36
December 17 2011 20:23 GMT
#1621
On December 18 2011 05:15 Necosarius wrote:
I just got to ask so, sorry for highjacking this thread, but what drama at MLG Providence?


I think he means the interviews Naniwa let out saying Nestea's play was stupid, and after their next match, thumbing him down.
"more gg, more skill"
manloveman
Profile Joined April 2011
424 Posts
December 17 2011 20:31 GMT
#1622
On December 15 2011 03:32 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:17 zala2023 wrote:
"Greg Fields is an angel compared to Naniwa"
lold at this comment

at least idra takes the game seriously and only start bming/ranting after he loses, naniwa can learn from that


Like saying "fuck you" to Mana in game or refusing to play the 2nd game vs Nerchio during TL Open.
Oh yeah.


Truth
Kahuna.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 20:37:16
December 17 2011 20:32 GMT
#1623
On December 18 2011 05:18 Solaris.playgu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 05:06 Kahuna. wrote:
On December 15 2011 22:06 archonOOid wrote:
Why does the article suggest that a pro-gamer and his moral compass is intertwined?
Can't a pro-gamer be morally corrupt with out loosing his title as a pro-gamer?
I think that the cultural barrier is making itself heard.

He can be morally corrupt, behind closed doors, yes... but he should not be PUBLICLY. Pro-gamer means professional gamer. Thus, behaving unprofessionally disqualifies you from being considered a professional. If you aren't approaching gaming as a professional, then you aren't a pro-gamer, you are just a gamer... and in Naniwa's case, you are actually a childish gamer. So, the article is correct in claiming that Naniwa does not deserve to be considered a pro-gamer based on his actions during that game. However, since he has now made a public and reasonably professional apology (whether he truly believes in it or not), he is on his way to redeeming himself from his childish behaviour and recognizing that his games aren't just about him and his desire to win; there's more to it than that and I am glad he has accepted it (I don't care much for whether he believes it to be true. So long as he acknowledges it and changes his behaviour to reflect professionalism, it's good for SC2, E-Sports and its fans).


Personally I would define a pro-gamer as one who has gaming as his profession, regardless of maturity. But I guess that is a question of how you interpret the term.

Maturity is a part of professionalism though. When Carmelo Anthony sucker-punched an opposing player on the basketball court it was unprofessional of him to do so, despite that fact that he plays basketball as a profession... and his unprofessional behavior resulted in him serving a punishment of some sort because a professional basketball player does not and, more importantly, should not behave that way. Similarly, a professional gamer does not, and should not behave the way Naniwa did, precisely because such behaviour is unprofessional. Maturity goes hand in hand with profession and professionalism... people of all professions are required to meet a certain threshold of professionalism before being granted professional status. Doctors are professional in their own ways, engineers in their own ways, lawyers in their own ways, athletes in their own ways, and progamers in their own ways. And when a minimum level of professionality is not displayed by such professionals they will and should suffer the consequences of their behaviour, just as Naniwa now has (it is a pity some other progamers don't suffer the consequences of their behaviour, but it is clear that as E-Sports grows, these cases will thankfully be taken more seriously and pro-gamers will truly become progamers as a result). Also, this does not apply to the vast majority of progamers... most know how to handle themselves professionally, but there are a select few who don't and I am happy that one tournament, at least, has finally decided to condemn such behaviour. Personally, I think this is better for E-Sports and the way E-Sports is perceived.
"Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit."
Trollk
Profile Joined September 2011
Belgium93 Posts
December 17 2011 20:39 GMT
#1624
Well the way koreans handle this 'situation' also tells a lot about them.
IMHO suffer GOM-tv and the general Korean image more from being so dramatic than Naniwa himself.
One would expect GOM-tv to be mature and settle the issue with an acceptance of apologies of Naniwa.
However they clearly overreacted.

TL;DR Being respectful is also very hard for GOM-tv and other overreacting Koreans.
manloveman
Profile Joined April 2011
424 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 20:54:22
December 17 2011 20:50 GMT
#1625
On December 18 2011 05:39 Trollk wrote:
Well the way koreans handle this 'situation' also tells a lot about them.
IMHO suffer GOM-tv and the general Korean image more from being so dramatic than Naniwa himself.
One would expect GOM-tv to be mature and settle the issue with an acceptance of apologies of Naniwa.
However they clearly overreacted.

TL;DR Being respectful is also very hard for GOM-tv and other overreacting Koreans.


Look at Kang and IM.
Talking about professionalism, then publically calling out a player. Bad mouthing and fingerpointing and generally jumping on the bandwagon of ridicule.

Am I the only one who sees the irony.

Also, the Im coach is a grown man, going after a young guy who is really out of normal environment. Even though nani probably needed to get his head straightened, this is pretty god damn despicable behavier.

umsplay
Profile Joined April 2010
29 Posts
December 18 2011 03:10 GMT
#1626
Nestea also gave away game vs mvp in case anyone forgot.....
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 03:18:18
December 18 2011 03:17 GMT
#1627
On December 18 2011 05:50 manloveman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 05:39 Trollk wrote:
Well the way koreans handle this 'situation' also tells a lot about them.
IMHO suffer GOM-tv and the general Korean image more from being so dramatic than Naniwa himself.
One would expect GOM-tv to be mature and settle the issue with an acceptance of apologies of Naniwa.
However they clearly overreacted.

TL;DR Being respectful is also very hard for GOM-tv and other overreacting Koreans.


Look at Kang and IM.
Talking about professionalism, then publically calling out a player. Bad mouthing and fingerpointing and generally jumping on the bandwagon of ridicule.

Am I the only one who sees the irony.

Also, the Im coach is a grown man, going after a young guy who is really out of normal environment. Even though nani probably needed to get his head straightened, this is pretty god damn despicable behavier.



Yeah, I think we can all agree that the IM head coach is not the most respectful kid in the business.

Edit:

On December 18 2011 12:10 umsplay wrote:
Nestea also gave away game vs mvp in case anyone forgot.....


I thought MVP gave Nestea some games too, so its fair.
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