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WhileOne
Profile Joined April 2011
Qatar8 Posts
December 14 2011 17:11 GMT
#1581
On December 15 2011 02:09 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:06 aderum wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


Earning money playing sc2 = being a pro. Not so hard to define.

Pro-Player = Professional player. Lose the professionalism, he's just a player


pro·fes·sion·al   [pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

You were saying?
Did you know...?
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 14 2011 17:12 GMT
#1582
On December 15 2011 02:10 TheBanana wrote:
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On December 15 2011 01:57 JL_GG wrote:
absolutely agree
this is not what a progamer do during a televised match ok?
this is how he played against nestea during the game
[image loading][image loading]


To me this is displaying in pure body language how a meaningless game feels like for someone truly competitive.

A meaningless game is still a match, he doesn't respect the match, he doesn't respect his opponent. That just means he doesn't have what it takes to be truly competitive
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 14 2011 17:12 GMT
#1583
On December 15 2011 02:09 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:06 aderum wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


Earning money playing sc2 = being a pro. Not so hard to define.

Pro-Player = Professional player. Lose the professionalism, he's just a player


LOL no. Being a pro in anything means you can make a living of it. Has nothing to do with how good manner you have. Its like saying John McEnroe isnt a pro-tennis player for being a douche on the field sometimes.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
OlDan
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria36 Posts
December 14 2011 17:16 GMT
#1584
TBH, I totally agree with this. You need to realize that people actually pay for watching him - or other pros - play. It's like showing up for work and not doing anything. Getting fired is the norm in such cases. Remember people, this is his job and he needs to take it seriously for the sake of the PAYING customers.


aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 14 2011 17:17 GMT
#1585
On December 15 2011 02:16 OlDan wrote:
TBH, I totally agree with this. You need to realize that people actually pay for watching him - or other pros - play. It's like showing up for work and not doing anything. Getting fired is the norm in such cases. Remember people, this is his job and he needs to take it seriously for the sake of the PAYING customers.




Actually no. He is not there to entertain you, he is there to win. Its GOMs job to entertain you.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
zala2023
Profile Joined April 2011
United States228 Posts
December 14 2011 17:17 GMT
#1586
"Greg Fields is an angel compared to Naniwa"
lold at this comment

at least idra takes the game seriously and only start bming/ranting after he loses, naniwa can learn from that
relax bro we got this
zala2023
Profile Joined April 2011
United States228 Posts
December 14 2011 17:18 GMT
#1587
On December 15 2011 02:17 aderum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:16 OlDan wrote:
TBH, I totally agree with this. You need to realize that people actually pay for watching him - or other pros - play. It's like showing up for work and not doing anything. Getting fired is the norm in such cases. Remember people, this is his job and he needs to take it seriously for the sake of the PAYING customers.




Actually no. He is not there to entertain you, he is there to win. Its GOMs job to entertain you.

why is why GOM TV punished him
relax bro we got this
Malkavian183
Profile Joined February 2011
Turkey227 Posts
December 14 2011 17:18 GMT
#1588
On December 15 2011 02:09 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:06 aderum wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


Earning money playing sc2 = being a pro. Not so hard to define.

Pro-Player = Professional player. Lose the professionalism, he's just a player


actually professional means doing something as a profession which means doing something to earn your life.

but i don't think what GOM did was exaggerated. it was silly of him to do what he did. being in an amateur tournament may mean for you to forfeit your games. but this is a pro-game which means you play not only to win but for people to watch and enjoy.

i like naniwa's play quite a lot but it was very laughable for him to act like that. he deserves this imo.
Inject Bitch!
OlDan
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria36 Posts
December 14 2011 17:19 GMT
#1589
On December 15 2011 02:18 zala2023 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:17 aderum wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:16 OlDan wrote:
TBH, I totally agree with this. You need to realize that people actually pay for watching him - or other pros - play. It's like showing up for work and not doing anything. Getting fired is the norm in such cases. Remember people, this is his job and he needs to take it seriously for the sake of the PAYING customers.




Actually no. He is not there to entertain you, he is there to win. Its GOMs job to entertain you.

why is why GOM TV punished him


This. Exactly.
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
December 14 2011 17:24 GMT
#1590
oh god this whole event is so embarrassing for the koreans, they need to stop overreacting. jesus christ, they're acting as if he killed a child or something.
Gogo Grubby.
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
December 14 2011 17:27 GMT
#1591
On December 15 2011 02:24 UnholyRai wrote:
oh god this whole event is so embarrassing for the koreans, they need to stop overreacting. jesus christ, they're acting as if he killed a child or something.


cause if Naniwa killed a child, first thing first is to take away the Code S? I think GOMTV made the right choice, he completely disrespected Gom and (some) fans
IMNestea's biggest fan.
Dingbat911
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark4 Posts
December 14 2011 17:44 GMT
#1592
I think the real issue here is that they wanted that meaningless match to be played between the two. Naniwa actually had the balls to show how ridicilolous he thought it was. If they wanted a good game between the them, they should have thrown in some kind of incitament for them to actually win other than the prestige.
Naniwa could either accept that it was meaningless and play the game or he could actually do something about it, which he did. That takes courage.
And btw why didn't Bratok & Stephano get any negative comments for trying to lose on purpose, because none of them wanted to play Sen?
Naniwa, you might have lost some fans by your forfeiting move, but you gained this player as one!
Spiders
Profile Joined February 2011
United States86 Posts
December 14 2011 17:53 GMT
#1593
On December 15 2011 02:27 Flowjo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:24 UnholyRai wrote:
oh god this whole event is so embarrassing for the koreans, they need to stop overreacting. jesus christ, they're acting as if he killed a child or something.


cause if Naniwa killed a child, first thing first is to take away the Code S? I think GOMTV made the right choice, he completely disrespected Gom and (some) fans

They first disrespected him by having a terrible tournament format with useless games.
And he didn't disrespect anyone, he played the game he wanted to play.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3457 Posts
December 14 2011 17:55 GMT
#1594
4 out of 6 threads on tl atm is about naniwa and the situation...
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
December 14 2011 17:56 GMT
#1595

I get their decision. Naniwa "gave up" because he was pouting that he didn't do well.

GOMTV and perhaps the culture of Korea (where this took place I assume) expect more from someone as a "pro-player". Maybe they believe that a "pro" never quits and always does their best. I can see that, especially when people pay money to watch.

From a business standpoint, he could be viewed as unreliable and only likely to produce top efforts when things are already going his way. Based on effort in similar situations, who would you want to hire, Boxer or Naniwa? Naniwa whines often (true) and apparently gives up. Boxer says squat and always plays his ass off "for his fans."

I'd be pissed at Naniwa too. It was bad form. They guy is a good player but he's got some stuff to sort out personality-wise.

Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
December 14 2011 17:59 GMT
#1596
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.


Maybe the point is that he's not professional. The adjective, not the noun.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
December 14 2011 18:26 GMT
#1597
On December 15 2011 02:24 UnholyRai wrote:
oh god this whole event is so embarrassing for the koreans, they need to stop overreacting. jesus christ, they're acting as if he killed a child or something.

I think they made the right decision. He clearly disrespected all of his fans and the esports community. Game throwing was not tolerated with CoCa, nor is it in any other sport.
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 14 2011 18:26 GMT
#1598
I think we should just admit that there is cultural disparities, I am not very sure how the foreigners views it, so I can only explain things on my basis, but here in the East, Respect for your opponent, and what you do is pretty important. And disrespect and this case, Naniwa made a mockery of his match, and there for his opponent. It's pretty serious.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Caltrop
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden34 Posts
December 14 2011 18:27 GMT
#1599
Thanks for the translation. I really like that we can have their view as well, so it is not getting buried in all the hate and flames (from both camps).
"Basetrading is a valid strategy for winning... if you have a hidden expo" - my wife
Strivers
Profile Joined November 2010
United States358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:28:59
December 14 2011 18:28 GMT
#1600
there's a saying.. "its your skills that get you the job, but its your personality that gets you promoted"

for the ones defending naniwa, i bet 99% of you are probably foreigners just trying to "keep it real" rather than having sound judgement, which is even more pathetic
These little dudes really like the blue stuff..
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