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WhileOne
Profile Joined April 2011
Qatar8 Posts
December 14 2011 16:39 GMT
#1561
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.
Did you know...?
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 14 2011 16:42 GMT
#1562
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
3772
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic434 Posts
December 14 2011 16:48 GMT
#1563
I like how they argue about professionalism in the same sentence where they insult someone. Also professional means that he's getting paid, that's it. At least he's not a fake like most of these retards.
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
December 14 2011 16:50 GMT
#1564
On December 15 2011 01:48 3772 wrote:
I like how they argue about professionalism in the same sentence where they insult someone. Also professional means that he's getting paid, that's it. At least he's not a fake like most of these retards.

professional also means he has a responsibility to those who pay him. aka fans->sponsors/tournaments
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:54:28
December 14 2011 16:50 GMT
#1565
What happened was that Naniwa was forced to play a completely meaningless match. Basically an unwanted showmatch. I have no idea why the match was played. The only reason I can think of is that they wanted to give Nestea an opportunity to get "revenge". When that opportunity was taken away by Naniwas "I don't want to be here"-strat, the Koreans, Nestea-fans and Nani-haters became emotional, got tunnel vision and exploded in rage. It ultimately ended up with Mr.Chae & co making a decision based on these emotions and preceding to disrespect and slander Naniwa while accusing him of being disrespectful. No mirrors were available at the Gom Studio when the decision was made.

Edit: fixed hilarious typo.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
WhileOne
Profile Joined April 2011
Qatar8 Posts
December 14 2011 16:50 GMT
#1566
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus.
Did you know...?
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 14 2011 16:51 GMT
#1567
Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:52:26
December 14 2011 16:51 GMT
#1568
On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus.

that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional
WhileOne
Profile Joined April 2011
Qatar8 Posts
December 14 2011 16:56 GMT
#1569
On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus.

that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional


Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot.
Did you know...?
JL_GG
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:57:46
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#1570
absolutely agree
this is not what a progamer do during a televised match ok?
this is how he played against nestea during the game
[image loading][image loading]
brobrah
Profile Joined April 2011
220 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#1571
Would there be this much outrage if he just 4 gated to get it over with? With Nani's mindset during that match, he probably would have executed poorly (relatively speaking) and lost. Is that really better? A shitty 4 gate vs a probe rush. I'll take the probe rush. If you don't want to play, just lose and get people who actually want to play up there. I have no patience for drawn out games just because of some stupid false sense of duty that pro-gamers have to the fans. They don't owe me shit. If they want to probe rush in a meaningless game, go right ahead. I just won't watch that player any more. That's it. No big spiel about how 1 person is single-handedly ruining e-sports and shaming the entire pro-gamer population by probe rushing in a meaningless match. Fucking hell.
I want to be the next Chris Loranger for SC3
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#1572
On December 15 2011 01:56 WhileOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus.

that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional


Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot.

Not if he's banned from tournaments for giving esports a bad name
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
RainCoat
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden142 Posts
December 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#1573
On December 15 2011 01:51 Blasterion wrote:
Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously.

No I dont think so but comments like these. Just seeing this community in a blaze of unrational emotion like this will hurt e-sport. Sit down, rexal, stop hating and think how can we solve this, make things better, instead of raging and hating.

This is more drama than when Rory in Gilmore Girls was dating that heroes dude, forgot his name. Srysly
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
December 14 2011 17:05 GMT
#1574
On December 15 2011 01:51 Blasterion wrote:
Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously.


And Mr. Chae publicly calling Naniwa an amateur money-grubber makes e-sports oh-so-professional?

This whole awful situation is a testament to the fact that SC2 is indeed a joke if we apply the standards of actual professional sports to it. Both on the player side, and the tournament organisation side. Well, actually, players do retarded shit in a lot of sports, while tournament organisers usually at least maintain a proper public image.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 14 2011 17:06 GMT
#1575
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


Earning money playing sc2 = being a pro. Not so hard to define.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
lastGame
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada26 Posts
December 14 2011 17:06 GMT
#1576
On December 15 2011 01:58 RainCoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:51 Blasterion wrote:
Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously.

No I dont think so but comments like these. Just seeing this community in a blaze of unrational emotion like this will hurt e-sport. Sit down, rexal, stop hating and think how can we solve this, make things better, instead of raging and hating.

This is more drama than when Rory in Gilmore Girls was dating that heroes dude, forgot his name. Srysly


I think the contrary actually. This kind of emotion over an obvious throw of a game means a lot of people actually care about the integrity of this game. Being on a televised matched is privilege (money match or not, people are sacrificing their time to watch you play a videogame) but Naniwa acted entitled.

It was an obvious throw (a cheese game has a chance of winning) and you dont mess with respect on the korean turf. (kind of how americans freak out about nudity but it is fine in most of Europe).
Bananas
WhileOne
Profile Joined April 2011
Qatar8 Posts
December 14 2011 17:08 GMT
#1577
On December 15 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:56 WhileOne wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus.

that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional


Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot.

Not if he's banned from tournaments for giving esports a bad name


Oh so you can get banned from tournaments for worker rushing now?
Last time I checked, this was a TOURNAMENT right? Where you try to WIN? If it was mathematically impossible for you to win, then why the hell would you continue play?
Giving esports a bad name is when a bunch of cry babies have nothing to do but create useless drama out of nothing. That's what will kill esports.
Did you know...?
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 14 2011 17:09 GMT
#1578
On December 15 2011 02:06 aderum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


Earning money playing sc2 = being a pro. Not so hard to define.

Pro-Player = Professional player. Lose the professionalism, he's just a player
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 14 2011 17:10 GMT
#1579
On December 15 2011 02:08 WhileOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:56 WhileOne wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.


No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.

He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one


He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus.

that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional


Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot.

Not if he's banned from tournaments for giving esports a bad name


Oh so you can get banned from tournaments for worker rushing now?
Last time I checked, this was a TOURNAMENT right? Where you try to WIN? If it was mathematically impossible for you to win, then why the hell would you continue play?
Giving esports a bad name is when a bunch of cry babies have nothing to do but create useless drama out of nothing. That's what will kill esports.

If the players doesn't even have the integrity to respect the sport itself, what good is the sport?
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
December 14 2011 17:10 GMT
#1580
On December 15 2011 01:57 JL_GG wrote:
absolutely agree
this is not what a progamer do during a televised match ok?
this is how he played against nestea during the game
[image loading][image loading]


To me this is displaying in pure body language how a meaningless game feels like for someone truly competitive.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
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