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We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him.
No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him.
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On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one
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I like how they argue about professionalism in the same sentence where they insult someone. Also professional means that he's getting paid, that's it. At least he's not a fake like most of these retards.
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On December 15 2011 01:48 3772 wrote: I like how they argue about professionalism in the same sentence where they insult someone. Also professional means that he's getting paid, that's it. At least he's not a fake like most of these retards. professional also means he has a responsibility to those who pay him. aka fans->sponsors/tournaments
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What happened was that Naniwa was forced to play a completely meaningless match. Basically an unwanted showmatch. I have no idea why the match was played. The only reason I can think of is that they wanted to give Nestea an opportunity to get "revenge". When that opportunity was taken away by Naniwas "I don't want to be here"-strat, the Koreans, Nestea-fans and Nani-haters became emotional, got tunnel vision and exploded in rage. It ultimately ended up with Mr.Chae & co making a decision based on these emotions and preceding to disrespect and slander Naniwa while accusing him of being disrespectful. No mirrors were available at the Gom Studio when the decision was made.
Edit: fixed hilarious typo.
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On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one
He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus.
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Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously.
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On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus. that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional
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On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus. that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional
Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot.
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absolutely agree this is not what a progamer do during a televised match ok? this is how he played against nestea during the game
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hh91J.png)
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Would there be this much outrage if he just 4 gated to get it over with? With Nani's mindset during that match, he probably would have executed poorly (relatively speaking) and lost. Is that really better? A shitty 4 gate vs a probe rush. I'll take the probe rush. If you don't want to play, just lose and get people who actually want to play up there. I have no patience for drawn out games just because of some stupid false sense of duty that pro-gamers have to the fans. They don't owe me shit. If they want to probe rush in a meaningless game, go right ahead. I just won't watch that player any more. That's it. No big spiel about how 1 person is single-handedly ruining e-sports and shaming the entire pro-gamer population by probe rushing in a meaningless match. Fucking hell.
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On December 15 2011 01:56 WhileOne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus. that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot. Not if he's banned from tournaments for giving esports a bad name
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On December 15 2011 01:51 Blasterion wrote: Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously. No I dont think so but comments like these. Just seeing this community in a blaze of unrational emotion like this will hurt e-sport. Sit down, rexal, stop hating and think how can we solve this, make things better, instead of raging and hating.
This is more drama than when Rory in Gilmore Girls was dating that heroes dude, forgot his name. Srysly
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On December 15 2011 01:51 Blasterion wrote: Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously.
And Mr. Chae publicly calling Naniwa an amateur money-grubber makes e-sports oh-so-professional?
This whole awful situation is a testament to the fact that SC2 is indeed a joke if we apply the standards of actual professional sports to it. Both on the player side, and the tournament organisation side. Well, actually, players do retarded shit in a lot of sports, while tournament organisers usually at least maintain a proper public image.
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On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one
Earning money playing sc2 = being a pro. Not so hard to define.
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On December 15 2011 01:58 RainCoat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:51 Blasterion wrote: Naniwa is probably going to be the reason why e-sports will never get taken seriously. No I dont think so but comments like these. Just seeing this community in a blaze of unrational emotion like this will hurt e-sport. Sit down, rexal, stop hating and think how can we solve this, make things better, instead of raging and hating. This is more drama than when Rory in Gilmore Girls was dating that heroes dude, forgot his name. Srysly
I think the contrary actually. This kind of emotion over an obvious throw of a game means a lot of people actually care about the integrity of this game. Being on a televised matched is privilege (money match or not, people are sacrificing their time to watch you play a videogame) but Naniwa acted entitled.
It was an obvious throw (a cheese game has a chance of winning) and you dont mess with respect on the korean turf. (kind of how americans freak out about nudity but it is fine in most of Europe).
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On December 15 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:56 WhileOne wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus. that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot. Not if he's banned from tournaments for giving esports a bad name
Oh so you can get banned from tournaments for worker rushing now? Last time I checked, this was a TOURNAMENT right? Where you try to WIN? If it was mathematically impossible for you to win, then why the hell would you continue play? Giving esports a bad name is when a bunch of cry babies have nothing to do but create useless drama out of nothing. That's what will kill esports.
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On December 15 2011 02:06 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one Earning money playing sc2 = being a pro. Not so hard to define. Pro-Player = Professional player. Lose the professionalism, he's just a player
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On December 15 2011 02:08 WhileOne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:58 Blasterion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 WhileOne wrote:On December 15 2011 01:51 kazie wrote:On December 15 2011 01:50 WhileOne wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 Blasterion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:39 WhileOne wrote:We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him. No you're not. He's a professional gamer whether you like it or not. He is very good, if not the best, at SC2, so you can't really argue whether or not he's a pro-gamer no matter how much you might dislike him. He doesn't have the professionalism and integrity to be called one He doesn't have to act professional. As long as he brings in money for his team and doesn't cheat, everything else is bonus. that's exactly the point. his team does not want this kind of publicity - hence why his behaviour was not professional Except he's actually good and makes money for his team by winning an lot. Not if he's banned from tournaments for giving esports a bad name Oh so you can get banned from tournaments for worker rushing now? Last time I checked, this was a TOURNAMENT right? Where you try to WIN? If it was mathematically impossible for you to win, then why the hell would you continue play? Giving esports a bad name is when a bunch of cry babies have nothing to do but create useless drama out of nothing. That's what will kill esports. If the players doesn't even have the integrity to respect the sport itself, what good is the sport?
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On December 15 2011 01:57 JL_GG wrote:absolutely agree this is not what a progamer do during a televised match ok? this is how he played against nestea during the game ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hh91J.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ispUu.png)
To me this is displaying in pure body language how a meaningless game feels like for someone truly competitive.
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