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haegN
Norway533 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 14 2011 16:24 Elenar wrote: If gom stop Naniwa from playing code s, i wont pay for gsl again, sadly.... Also choya is really somethiing else, he should stfu It would only be fair to forfeit naniwas code S spot, since they took away cocas when he threw his game in a much less disrespectful way (he just wanted to play more) and not in a televised match. And who are you to tell choya to shut up? What naniwa did is very offensive to koreans, he has the right to say what he wants. | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
BM? Yeah, I suppose it is somewhat. Useless to play a game between two players who are 0-3? Yep. Consequences of not trying? None relevant to the continuation of the tournament. Fault the tournament for not distinguishing between a 4th place and 5th place finish and then displaying the irrelevant match on air. Dead rubbers are frequently not played in many major sports. And this is part of the reason why... | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
On December 14 2011 16:35 hunts wrote: It would only be fair to forfeit naniwas code S spot, since they took away cocas when he threw his game in a much less disrespectful way (he just wanted to play more) and not in a televised match. And who are you to tell choya to shut up? What naniwa did is very offensive to koreans, he has the right to say what he wants. Completely different. Naniwa fudging that game has no impact on anyone else's ability to progress or achieve in that tournament. It also didn't involve collusion with another player. Apples and Oranges. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 14 2011 16:38 Brett wrote: Completely different. Naniwa fudging that game has no impact on anyone else's ability to progress or achieve in that tournament. It also didn't involve collusion with another player. Apples and Oranges. Neither did cocas though, he never agreed with the player (sorry cant remember who it was) that he would let him take the series, he just left because he wanted to do another game. | ||
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
That said, if Naniwa looses his seed i won't be paying for something I otherwise would have been :D | ||
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Elenar
Sweden137 Posts
On December 14 2011 16:35 hunts wrote: It would only be fair to forfeit naniwas code S spot, since they took away cocas when he threw his game in a much less disrespectful way (he just wanted to play more) and not in a televised match. And who are you to tell choya to shut up? What naniwa did is very offensive to koreans, he has the right to say what he wants. Maybe they should Tell him politley that it is offensive to them, and then if he does it again release the shitstorm. To Me they (choya,mvp, the haters) look really shortsighted and hostile. I wouldnt wanna go to Korea, make a misstake and then directly be hated. lookCocas game was a game that actually mathered though? | ||
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ComplexConf
Ireland161 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
On December 14 2011 16:39 hunts wrote: Neither did cocas though, he never agreed with the player (sorry cant remember who it was) that he would let him take the series, he just left because he wanted to do another game. Er... My recollection is that they very clearly discussed Coca leaving that particular game (via IN GAME CHAT lol) which was only so controversial because Coca was already in an unloseable position and winning would have denied Byun any chance at the Code A spot (not direct qualification but still another avenue)... Completely different to deciding not to give 100% in a match that literally had no bearing on the tournament whatsoever. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 14 2011 16:55 Brett wrote: Er... My recollection is that they very clearly discussed Coca leaving that particular game (via IN GAME CHAT lol) which was only so controversial because Coca was already in an unloseable position and winning would have denied Byun any chance at the Code A spot (not direct qualification but still another avenue)... Completely different to deciding not to give 100% in a match that literally had no bearing on the tournament whatsoever. I guess you are right, sorry. I forgot that while the outcome had no effect on coca it did effect byun because if the winner was in code S the loser would not get in like MLG does. So yeah sorry. Umm, I guess I'm not really sure if he should be punished by gom, the loss of fans/backlash/possible punishment by his team may be enough. | ||
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
And this kind of group format is bad because -> if for ex: Nestea would have chance to qualify and naniwa forfeit the game, then he directly affect the other players (for ex: Polt). I guess the best way to play this kind of format is if the games between the players are played without knowing the results of the other players form the previous games.. just an ideea. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
"I don't understand how people can be offended by something I deem so trivial. They should be like me, and only take offence at things that are actually significant. Like people on the other side of the planet taking offence at something I deem trivial. THIS IS MAJORLY SIGNIFICANT!" "How dare you lose respect for this guy just because you felt insulted by what he did? I HAVE COMPLETELY LOST RESPECT FOR YOU!" | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On December 14 2011 17:29 jarod wrote: if they take naniwas code S spot i wont watch any GSL anymore. This is bullshit. Hope GOM wont lesson to all the hatters. That game vs Nestea was anyhow for nothing. Normally this shouldnt be played. If they do penalties to naniwa then they should also to Idra, Stepahno and so on. So please stop bullshiting. And this kind of group format is bad because -> if for ex: Nestea would have chance to qualify and naniwa forfeit the game, then he directly affect the other players (for ex: Polt). I guess the best way to play this kind of format is if the games between the players are played without knowing the results of the other players form the previous games.. just an ideea. What did Stephano do to the GSL? | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
I am insulted that he did not think of ME and the fact that I wanted to watch that, how dare he, UNPROFESSIONAL, I have LOST RESPECT. In fact, Gom should ban him from Code S even though he actually did not break any rule what so ever because I feel OFFENDED by what he did. They did it with coca even though that was his team pulling him from code S not GOM but I dont know what the fuck im talking about, im busy being OFFENDED by Naniwa not thinking about ME. Reading this thread just makes me think that Esports is still far from being there. :| | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 17:37 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I love how so many people in this thread are completely lacking any kind of self awareness. "I don't understand how people can be offended by something I deem so trivial. They should be like me, and only take offence at things that are actually significant. Like people on the other side of the planet taking offence at something I deem trivial. THIS IS MAJORLY SIGNIFICANT!" "How dare you lose respect for this guy just because you felt insulted by what he did? I HAVE COMPLETELY LOST RESPECT FOR YOU!" Actually for me it's: "Why are you people literally saying that you want this guy to give you lip-service? And then how on earth can you not understand why some of us aren't pissed at him for refusing to do it?" | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On December 14 2011 16:35 hunts wrote: It would only be fair to forfeit naniwas code S spot, since they took away cocas when he threw his game in a much less disrespectful way (he just wanted to play more) and not in a televised match. And who are you to tell choya to shut up? What naniwa did is very offensive to koreans, he has the right to say what he wants. Yeah, but even though what Choya did wasn't as bad (at least I think it wasn't as bad, considering the Koreans don't hold the ladder in high esteem), I don't think he was in a position to go that hard on him and flame him outright. Anyways, 20 minutes till an official statement by gom, maybe? | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On December 14 2011 17:47 Hypemeup wrote: Yeah, how dare naniwa make a living off progaming, he should not be allowed to be a progamer because he did what the fuck he wanted in a game that did not matter for him. I am insulted that he did not think of ME and the fact that I wanted to watch that, how dare he, UNPROFESSIONAL, I have LOST RESPECT. In fact, Gom should ban him from Code S even though he actually did not break any rule what so ever because I feel OFFENDED by what he did. They did it with coca even though that was his team pulling him from code S not GOM but I dont know what the fuck im talking about, im busy being OFFENDED by Naniwa not thinking about ME. Reading this thread just makes me think that Esports is still far from being there. :| well played | ||
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
You realized that "professional sportsman", even though it might not make sense to some people, should show some respect the game that they are playing, to the fans that are rooting for them, and to their opponents. I guess you can call it "sportsmanship". Also organizations like gom like to uphold (or pretend to uphold) certain ethical rules and punish "their" players (meaning players in their tournament) accordingly, should they fail to comply. I am sure that gom would have made disciplinary steps towards Coca, hadn't the reaction of his team be so quick. His team withdrew him from the GSL, gom themselves cannot do more than that. edit: yes, there are teams who put out their b-teamers to get stomped by regular a-teamers of the opposing team if nothing is on the line. But at least the b-teamers try to win and it also serves to give them more airing time. playing well under pressure cannot be practised easily and the best way is to just play under pressure (facing an oposing team that is serious, under the eyes of their fans). | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
You realized that "professional sportsman", even though it might not make sense to some people, should show some respect the game that they are playing, to the fans that are rooting for them, and to their opponents. I guess you can call it "sportsmanship". I don't see how playing a half-ass game and pretending like you give a **** is "sportsmanship"... | ||
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