EPTIn a perfect world naniwa could receive some minor sanction or a fine and move on with his career but we dont really have the infrastructure for that.
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
In a perfect world naniwa could receive some minor sanction or a fine and move on with his career but we dont really have the infrastructure for that. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Naniwa showed that he is immature and unprofessional, but throwing the game is not the end of the world, nor should it be the end of his career. Yes he needs to grow up, and hopefully this has taught him another valuable lesson. I don't think we should condemn him and exaggerate the importance of the matter. Naniwa fans should also not condone his behavior. He is a great player, but his achievements will be harmed by his attitude. Teams will also have difficulty with him, especially if he wishes to stay in Korea. While I agree that people are blowing this way out of proportion, his fans should still expect more from him (there is a difference between having a personality and being immature). So yeah guys, this is going nowhere. | ||
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Tamehr
Canada63 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:43 GeNeSiDe wrote: The first game, ok fair enough, both of them were trying to get SarenS not Sen. but as I have said AGAIN AND AGAIN, you ignoramus Naniwa lovers seem to be unable to comprehend that although that game was dumb, both players were trying to avoid a superior next round opponent. It's silly, but noone suicided, they didnt do the most viable strategies but it was an entertaining match. That is not "throwing" a match. That is not the same as pulling your probes, Amoving them at your opponent and aborting all micro and macro actions. It's a smart tactical decision given the circumstances and having experience in sports tournaments I have seen this one done a million times. It's not "right" in the sense of honor but that's not exactly why everyone is on Nani's back(only part of the reason). If Stephano or BratOK had just GGed and f10-N'ed without building anything thats equivalent to Naniwa's situation. Although I think its wrong to not try to win every game it can be tolerated when it is for a reasonable, competitive reason, and when it is not obvious. Say im living in a dream world but most these players can play a pretty damn good game at 50% speed(that BRATOK v Stephano game was intensely interesting, much more than a shitty probe rush). Having a linearity of compeition is what's important when trying to establish a professional standard. And no, the iDra 6pool is not throwing the towel, throwing the towel is iDra cancelling his CC and GGing, which was equally well-received as naniwas actions. What? I don't love Naniwa; I don't love IdrA. I wouldn't call myself a fan of either. I wouldn't call the Naniwa lovers ignoramuses either. There is no although. Avoiding a superior opponent is circumventing the system and this isn't the first time its happened and it won't be the last either (the format is too common -.- ). You cannot frown on one and go absolute ape shit on the other. Technically circumventing the system for a weaker opponent is far worse than throwing a game that has no meaning or tournament ramifications for the said player. How they won/loss is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the result and there is no written rule on how you can forfeit a match as we've seen many times now. Now let's address your competitive reasons for dropping a game. Tolerable? Man, you cannot have double standards. -_- On the other side of the coin, we have players playing to WIN and only WIN. Johan would fall into this category. He isn't happy with placing 2nd. With that said, look at most Terran players. They use everything in the book when it comes to aggressive builds to punish and make sure they position themselves for a win. Is it entertaining? Sometimes, but most of the time you see spectators gang up on players like PuMa as a result and sadly he doesn't have many options. He knows how strong a Protoss army can be if he lets them build-up. Hence, crush it before they get the opportunity to roll over you. Is it entertaining? Probably for the EG/PuMa fanboys, but for others its not as entertaining. Can you really blame him for using strategies that work? Not really because he's playing to win. Will PuMa throw a game when he's out 0-3? Most likely not. This ties back into the Korean culture and honor, which is fine. But you cannot expect everyone to show this demeanor. That's only one scenario. There are Korean players out there who would circumvent other formats like the one you described in order to skip opponents. That isn't any better. I rather not watch those games at all if I knew they wouldn't give it their all. It's lip service and dishonest. Hell, some people might call it unprofessional. You want to talk about professionalism. Well, you cannot turn your cheek to such things as that if you are going lambast what Johan did. IdrA 6 pooling was a planned strategy on his part based on the map and match-up. Not fun to watch, but you cannot blame him. He thought that was his best chance to win. Once again throw entertainment out the window. They are out there to win. As for the leaving after cancelling the CC because he didn't mean to. That's a whole different can of worms because the community was a lot smaller back then. He didn't receive anywhere near this amount of flack. Nowhere close. Many people aren't even aware of all the things he's done, but that's fine. Let the past be the past. Holding grudges and shit against them for stuff they did in the past is kind of counterproductive and I don't see what some of you are trying to get out of it. | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:40 StarStruck wrote: Keep giving him more attention. You are giving him what he wants. Instead you guys should use reverse psychology and say nothing about him. He doesn't really care if ur talking about him :/ Otherwise he would stoke the fire. He has only really commented something like "if i could go back i would have 4 gated or something, but I don't think it should have been a big deal, I'm sorry if i disappointed any of my fans" I guess it's possible he cares about getting publicity but he seems genuine when he says he didn't think it would be that big of a deal, and he seemed sorry. He was very emotional, on tilt, and made a regrettable mistake in the spur of the moment when he knew his efforts were "pointless." What he did was wrong but your idea of shunning him is overreacting and childish IMO | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
EDIT: post number 600!!!! | ||
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Zic
Canada32 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote: This is not fair to NaNiwa. He practices as if his life depends on it, and is known to be very emotional (though not in interviews). To have him be emotionally crushed the way he was during this tournament, it is not that big of a surprise or a scandal that he was not able to focus enough for a full game. Cut the guy some slack, he is probably stressed enough about the tournament as it is. Tough cookies. If you're scheduled to play a match that won't affect the tourney, at least try something unorthodox. Go for carriers or something. Don't just worker rush, a strat that should never work. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:03 ReturnStroke wrote: He doesn't really care if ur talking about him :/ Otherwise he would stoke the fire. He has only really commented something like "if i could go back i would have 4 gated or something, but I don't think it should have been a big deal, I'm sorry if i disappointed any of my fans" I guess it's possible he cares about getting publicity but he seems genuine when he says he didn't think it would be that big of a deal, and he seemed sorry. He was very emotional, on tilt, and made a regrettable mistake in the spur of the moment when he knew his efforts were "pointless." What he did was wrong but your idea of shunning him is overreacting and childish IMO Not directly. This sort of publicity keeps him in the limelight and guess what the sponsorships want. More viewers. You will have some people argue this is the reverse; however, you should know by now that there is no such thing as bad publicity. The sponsors will still approach them because people give them so much attention. Is it his intention? Fuck no, but you guys will line his pockets sooner or later. | ||
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Xialos
Canada508 Posts
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baba1
Canada355 Posts
Sorry but I'll never be a fan, ever. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On December 14 2011 14:24 StarStruck wrote: Not directly. This sort of publicity keeps him in the limelight and guess what the sponsorships want. More viewers. You will have some people argue this is the reverse; however, you should know by now that there is no such thing as bad publicity. The sponsors will still approach them because people give them so much attention. Is it his intention? Fuck no, but you guys will line his pockets sooner or later. LOL This kind of stunt makes people not want to watch him, because who wants to watch a guy who is going to give up and refuses to play games because he doesn't want to? He's not entertaining with his builds in the slightest bit, is extremely bad mannered, and has shown that he doesn't give a flying fuck about spectators, sponsors, or anyone else for that matter. Sponsors want someone who can gain viewers, not lose them. Naniwa screwed himself real hard by not playing out the last game. | ||
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Asturas
Finland587 Posts
Naniwa is never childish, it seems that progaming is really his life, he is emotional and he reacts in certain situations in a strange way. Anyways, Koreans are overreacting. Aren't there any other more interesting news to discuss? Of course I am biased, as Naniwa's fan. | ||
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vertical101
Hong Kong311 Posts
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VTPerfect
United States487 Posts
Edit: this is also coming from someone who has been snubbed by NaNiwa on a few occasions. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
This. Honestly, I'm not happy that IdrA does it, and we all remember the MMA blowing up his own base incident into IdrA GG. At least in that case IdrA thought he was about to lose. Now in the Naniwa case, the match was highly anticipated after what went on with the MLG invitational and MLG Providence between Naniwa and Nestea. Naniwa had a chance to clear his name, and he instead decides to suicide lose. It was the epitome of BM. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On December 14 2011 15:51 vertical101 wrote: choya should just stfu. making such comment for small thing ,what he did in cheating KR ladder is worst(rock,papper.siccors) than probe rushed. and call himself a coach? Well, but ladder is ladder, nobobdy (at least not the professionals) take it seriously, see for example forgg. Naniwa threw the match in a officially broadcasted game. Am while I am not really pissed, I am disappointed that I didn't get to see a rematch between Nestea and Naniwa. | ||
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thepeonwhocould
Australia334 Posts
Do you really want a joke game where Naniwa and Nestea both pretend to try? I don't want to watch that, it's a waste of time. GomTV made the mistake, not Naniwa. | ||
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Elenar
Sweden137 Posts
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