On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL etc are not stupid enough to create a format where players have no chance of getting paid and are still required to play.
For the record, I'm not saying that Naniwa isn't an immature little brat, but we already knew that. I'm saying that the tournament format is stupid and there is no logical basis for condemning his actions in this instance.
On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL etc are not stupid enough to create a format where players have no chance of getting paid and are still required to play.
For the record, I'm not saying that Naniwa isn't an immature little brat, but we already knew that. I'm saying that the tournament format is stupid and there is no logical basis for condemning his actions in this instance.
Even if its stupid that is doesn't give you the right to do what you want. You agreed with the tournament rules the moment you said "yes i wanna play here". If the format sucks so hard you shouldn't join a tournament in the first place.
In the word E sport you got the word sport. Sports is a part of the society you live in. If you accept someone who throw off a game, do you accept that every single worker to fuck up during their job? you guys accept a doctor who tell to himself, "damn its not going to work, the guys is screwed I wont waste time on him, he is dead already..."
Some people will tell me that nobody died during the game of Naniwa and I agree with that. But as a pro in sport, you got to act as a model. I can't support model who act like an ass. ( Its not his first bad manner thing he does)
Colts basically lost on purpose to rest their players for the playoffs. If tiger woods loses on purpose, who really loses. not the player who beats him. It Tiger.
So yes, Barring any conspiracy, this isn't a big deal.
However, it is untrue that MLB teams or other players don't try hard even though they are losing.. Some people like playing spolier, some people for pride
Most people play just for etiquette and common sense. However Naniwa totally hurt his repuation I think amongst some SC2 fans.
On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL etc are not stupid enough to create a format where players have no chance of getting paid and are still required to play.
For the record, I'm not saying that Naniwa isn't an immature little brat, but we already knew that. I'm saying that the tournament format is stupid and there is no logical basis for condemning his actions in this instance.
if the tournament format was stupid, why did he bother to join it then??
On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL etc are not stupid enough to create a format where players have no chance of getting paid and are still required to play.
For the record, I'm not saying that Naniwa isn't an immature little brat, but we already knew that. I'm saying that the tournament format is stupid and there is no logical basis for condemning his actions in this instance.
Actually you're wrong about that.. there are teams out of first place that have nothing to play for. Usually the teams still try to play hard to hold some kind of dignity or to play spoiler. So you are technically incorrect.. However.. there are instances where teams to throw games to rest players or try to prospects.
On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL etc are not stupid enough to create a format where players have no chance of getting paid and are still required to play.
For the record, I'm not saying that Naniwa isn't an immature little brat, but we already knew that. I'm saying that the tournament format is stupid and there is no logical basis for condemning his actions in this instance.
Even if its stupid that is doesn't give you the right to do what you want. You agreed with the tournament rules the moment you said "yes i wanna play here". If the format sucks so hard you shouldn't join a tournament in the first place.
And Naniwa did play. If you don't like the way he played in your tournament, then change the rules to compensate players for trying. Also, have you ever watched a pre-season NBA game? Or NBA games where the team already has a locked playoff seed? I'll give you a hint: their starters don't see much playing time in those games.
But this is a slap in the face to fans everywhere, David Stern should cancel all contracts for head coaches who don't play their starters in at least half of every game, even the ones that don't matter. And GSL should ban Naniwa for life and sue him for damages. That, or we could all stop being immature drama queens like Mr. Luchessi...
On December 14 2011 09:57 Roxy wrote: That article is garbage It is a players choice as to what strategy he does.
If you give a reasonable reward for winning, they will try harder. If i told you that i would give you a kick in the nuts if you won a game, would you try your hardest to win it? no.. i doubt i
Naniwa, you have my full support!
That match meant nothing!!!
how is that any different that naniwa just being like "um, i dont really feel like scouting because im totally pissed off. Im just going to go blind FFE, into blind +2 blink stalkers. im not going to prepare for banelings or a roach all-in and we'll see how this goes.
it is also stupid that you can have a situation where a player with no chance to advance can affect the wins/losses of a person still playing for a seat. The tournament was flawed and this is not naniwa's fault.
Naniwa won no money for losing that game. He was not match fixing.
No one said he was match fixing I don't know where that came from.
Also he made no attempt to win. He agreed to play all the games. Naniwa agreed to it. He is the one at fault not the tournament. You agree to do something and you don't do it, that's being unprofessional.
You can't just saying "I'm upset I'm just going to go home now" with a job. You do your job. Naniwa's job was to perform. He didn't do it. It's childish and unprofessional.
technically he did play the game. he performed his obligations..
how can you "make" someone try? how do you monitor if he was trying? should we all flame hero for probably not trying either? i mean obviously he just threw those games in order to go 0-4 too?
you dont see baseball players playing the 9th inning when they have already won? what is the point.. why should nani
i bought up match fixing because that would be a purposeful loss that i would not condone...
it absoultely is the tournaments fault. the purpose of a tournament it to determine who is the BEST player. not the worst. why were nestea and nani even playing? there was no point
Except hero atleast made an effort to make it look like he tried at the very least, if nani had just 4gated and lost honestly it would not be a big deal at all. but probe rush? really? there's a reason why it's not done ever in a tournament game. its because it has 0 chance of winning against any competent opponent (yes i know there's a portrait farmer that worker rushes).
oh and btw, your baseball analogy is terrible. in baseball the game is not over until the last out in the 9th inning, so that means that there is never a situation where it is actually impossible to win. This is different from like basketball where a team is down by 20 points with 30 seconds left is impossible to come back (Unless u have Tmac on ur team).
Nexus first in PvP. Which GSL match had that worked in prior to when Hero tried it?
seeing as killer also tried to do a nexus first it seems like an actual tactic on this map, and it was also mildly popular when crossfire (I think? the map with the inbase expansion) came out. Also, these are completely different circumstances as Hero was only 0-1 in the group at that point with still a decent chance to make it out of the group. Don't be ignorant, you cannot compare these 2 situations as they are completely different circumstances (and character of the players imo).
I honestly feel that it didn't even cross Naniwa's mind that it would piss off his fans, team, sponsors, the viewers, and GOM. Sounds like he was stewing too much in disappointment at his own performance to really think straight.
On December 14 2011 10:38 Roxy wrote: Hey everyone, lets look at this game:
Stephano vs Bratok
They were both TRYING to lose.. anyone want to hang them too?
how about when nestea threw this game:
and i dont have the link, but remember when Idra 6-pooled jinro in GSL.. ya.. throwing games that you dont give a crap about is nothing new. why is everyone out to hang naniwa?
grow up
For the idra vs jinro game, it was on jungle basin which is honestly a terrible map for tvz (atleast at the time) and 6pool drone rush is actually a build that can work, (unlike probe rush).
I didn't watch the stephano vs bratok game so I won't comment on it, but the nestea vs mvp game is not the same situation, nestea played well up until that point it looked like he was ahead, was definitely trying to win the game and then made a boneheaded move to attack into that. Is that throwing the match? Perhaps, but if you were to actually look at more of nestea's lategame tvz you might see that he does this quite often. (He just did it in the game against MMA where he just attacked into that siege line and promptly lost the game)
On December 14 2011 09:57 Roxy wrote: That article is garbage It is a players choice as to what strategy he does.
If you give a reasonable reward for winning, they will try harder. If i told you that i would give you a kick in the nuts if you won a game, would you try your hardest to win it? no.. i doubt i
Naniwa, you have my full support!
That match meant nothing!!!
how is that any different that naniwa just being like "um, i dont really feel like scouting because im totally pissed off. Im just going to go blind FFE, into blind +2 blink stalkers. im not going to prepare for banelings or a roach all-in and we'll see how this goes.
it is also stupid that you can have a situation where a player with no chance to advance can affect the wins/losses of a person still playing for a seat. The tournament was flawed and this is not naniwa's fault.
Naniwa won no money for losing that game. He was not match fixing.
No one said he was match fixing I don't know where that came from.
Also he made no attempt to win. He agreed to play all the games. Naniwa agreed to it. He is the one at fault not the tournament. You agree to do something and you don't do it, that's being unprofessional.
You can't just saying "I'm upset I'm just going to go home now" with a job. You do your job. Naniwa's job was to perform. He didn't do it. It's childish and unprofessional.
technically he did play the game. he performed his obligations..
how can you "make" someone try? how do you monitor if he was trying? should we all flame hero for probably not trying either? i mean obviously he just threw those games in order to go 0-4 too?
you dont see baseball players playing the 9th inning when they have already won? what is the point.. why should nani
i bought up match fixing because that would be a purposeful loss that i would not condone...
it absoultely is the tournaments fault. the purpose of a tournament it to determine who is the BEST player. not the worst. why were nestea and nani even playing? there was no point
Except hero atleast made an effort to make it look like he tried at the very least, if nani had just 4gated and lost honestly it would not be a big deal at all. but probe rush? really? there's a reason why it's not done ever in a tournament game. its because it has 0 chance of winning against any competent opponent (yes i know there's a portrait farmer that worker rushes).
oh and btw, your baseball analogy is terrible. in baseball the game is not over until the last out in the 9th inning, so that means that there is never a situation where it is actually impossible to win. This is different from like basketball where a team is down by 20 points with 30 seconds left is impossible to come back (Unless u have Tmac on ur team).
Nexus first in PvP. Which GSL match had that worked in prior to when Hero tried it?
seeing as killer also tried to do a nexus first it seems like an actual tactic on this map, and it was also mildly popular when crossfire (I think? the map with the inbase expansion) came out. Also, these are completely different circumstances as Hero was only 0-1 in the group at that point with still a decent chance to make it out of the group. Don't be ignorant, you cannot compare these 2 situations as they are completely different circumstances (and character of the players imo).
And also HerO's games would have made a big impact on the face of the group. NaNiWa and Nestea were both eliminated - why bother to play a game that doesnt really matter. Bad tourney format.
On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL etc are not stupid enough to create a format where players have no chance of getting paid and are still required to play.
For the record, I'm not saying that Naniwa isn't an immature little brat, but we already knew that. I'm saying that the tournament format is stupid and there is no logical basis for condemning his actions in this instance.
if the tournament format was stupid, why did he bother to join it then??
I am finding that the line between making my point with humorous sarcasm and straight up trolling people who are logically challenged is getting kind of hazy, so I better be done for tonight before I say something that gets me banned.
He participated because he wanted to win the tournament and the money. Once that was no longer a possibility, he stopped trying.
On December 13 2011 23:29 terr13 wrote: If a game is pointless, then you shouldn't have to play it out. If you watch the team leagues in SC1, if they match is over, the don't play the rest of the games, it's already set. Naniwa had no incentive to win, or even really try in the last game, and neither does Nestea. It is considered bad-mannered, but it's blown way out of proportion.
So, If MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, ATP, ICF etctera..
matchcup opponents that have no shot at making the second round or playoffs. would you also condone teams or players throwing games?
you're argument is very weak and is setting for a double standard for GOM and another standard for other professional sports.
I do agree that this isn't a big deal overall, i honestly don't care about this S*** storm. I wish Naniwa luck and hopefully he'll learn how to be a more complete person
MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL etc are not stupid enough to create a format where players have no chance of getting paid and are still required to play.
For the record, I'm not saying that Naniwa isn't an immature little brat, but we already knew that. I'm saying that the tournament format is stupid and there is no logical basis for condemning his actions in this instance.
Even if its stupid that is doesn't give you the right to do what you want. You agreed with the tournament rules the moment you said "yes i wanna play here". If the format sucks so hard you shouldn't join a tournament in the first place.
And Naniwa did play. If you don't like the way he played in your tournament, then change the rules to compensate players for trying. Also, have you ever watched a pre-season NBA game? Or NBA games where the team already has a locked playoff seed? I'll give you a hint: their starters don't see much playing time in those games.
But this is a slap in the face to fans everywhere, David Stern should cancel all contracts for head coaches who don't play their starters in at least half of every game, even the ones that don't matter. And GSL should ban Naniwa for life and sue him for damages. That, or we could all stop being immature drama queens like Mr. Luchessi...
Wait wait wait, we are immature? Oh come on. The one that was immature was Naniwa. The " i wanna get past this without even trying" mentality here was wrong, its that simply. Personally i am waiting to see if mister Chae got something to say about this whole mess.
On December 14 2011 09:57 Roxy wrote: That article is garbage It is a players choice as to what strategy he does.
If you give a reasonable reward for winning, they will try harder. If i told you that i would give you a kick in the nuts if you won a game, would you try your hardest to win it? no.. i doubt i
Naniwa, you have my full support!
That match meant nothing!!!
how is that any different that naniwa just being like "um, i dont really feel like scouting because im totally pissed off. Im just going to go blind FFE, into blind +2 blink stalkers. im not going to prepare for banelings or a roach all-in and we'll see how this goes.
it is also stupid that you can have a situation where a player with no chance to advance can affect the wins/losses of a person still playing for a seat. The tournament was flawed and this is not naniwa's fault.
Naniwa won no money for losing that game. He was not match fixing.
No one said he was match fixing I don't know where that came from.
Also he made no attempt to win. He agreed to play all the games. Naniwa agreed to it. He is the one at fault not the tournament. You agree to do something and you don't do it, that's being unprofessional.
You can't just saying "I'm upset I'm just going to go home now" with a job. You do your job. Naniwa's job was to perform. He didn't do it. It's childish and unprofessional.
technically he did play the game. he performed his obligations..
how can you "make" someone try? how do you monitor if he was trying? should we all flame hero for probably not trying either? i mean obviously he just threw those games in order to go 0-4 too?
you dont see baseball players playing the 9th inning when they have already won? what is the point.. why should nani
i bought up match fixing because that would be a purposeful loss that i would not condone...
it absoultely is the tournaments fault. the purpose of a tournament it to determine who is the BEST player. not the worst. why were nestea and nani even playing? there was no point
Except hero atleast made an effort to make it look like he tried at the very least, if nani had just 4gated and lost honestly it would not be a big deal at all. but probe rush? really? there's a reason why it's not done ever in a tournament game. its because it has 0 chance of winning against any competent opponent (yes i know there's a portrait farmer that worker rushes).
oh and btw, your baseball analogy is terrible. in baseball the game is not over until the last out in the 9th inning, so that means that there is never a situation where it is actually impossible to win. This is different from like basketball where a team is down by 20 points with 30 seconds left is impossible to come back (Unless u have Tmac on ur team).
Nexus first in PvP. Which GSL match had that worked in prior to when Hero tried it?
seeing as killer also tried to do a nexus first it seems like an actual tactic on this map, and it was also mildly popular when crossfire (I think? the map with the inbase expansion) came out. Also, these are completely different circumstances as Hero was only 0-1 in the group at that point with still a decent chance to make it out of the group. Don't be ignorant, you cannot compare these 2 situations as they are completely different circumstances (and character of the players imo).
And also HerO's games would have made a big impact on the face of the group. NaNiWa and Nestea were both eliminated - why bother to play a game that doesnt really matter. Bad tourney format.
yes i agree bad tourney format, I think gom just wanted to have more games so that they can show more games to the fans (especially the paying ones). Naniwa if he didn't care about the game should have done some ridiculous strat and atleast made it a show to the fans. This is the difference between a champion (like boxer in scbw) and naniwa.
EPT
