EPTAnd now the drama for an action ANY OF US would have taken in other aspect of life.
Get over it.
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Rafael
Venezuela182 Posts
And now the drama for an action ANY OF US would have taken in other aspect of life. Get over it. | ||
pigscanfly
Singapore147 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:19 muNsu wrote: It's just disgusting how you hypocrites hate on Naniwa for nothing. Let's sum this up so even you can understand what you are all crying about. Naniwa had just lost to a really bad executed cheese, if he had won vs MMA who played plat level he could have passed the group. He was disappointed in himself, he had 3 close games vs good player and he was out already. He had to play a game that everyone expected as "THE FINAL GRUDGE MATCH GET YOUR GLOVES ON BLOOD IS GONNA RAIN" or something like that. That was not gonna happen, neither from his side nor from nestea's. He could have 1)used a cheese build or 2)try to play a standard game at probably less than half of his real strenght. That was the same for nestea of course, he would have probably thrown in a cheesy build (I think he admitted this). Naniwa just wanted not to waste his time nor his fans, he wanted this grudge match to actually happen where it counts, so it could be what it was hyped to be. But you don't seem to understand this, since hating on naniwa is what cool teamliquid and reddit kids have been doing for quite some time now. Also, let me remind you what has happened in the past and this drama never happened. For example Idra being bad mannered to everyone, in official games, GG'ing when the fans were already hyped and in the middle of a game. ITS BETTER FOR HIS MENTALITY you said, and that was in the middle of games that actually meant something. Stephano throwing games when they actually mattered for the rest of the group he was in, nobody said shit, because you just see what you want to see. Nestea playing for fun in a showmatch (remember the gsl allstars something? I recall you had to pay for that too), then he lost to huk and everybody defended him because hey, doing dumb shit was fine because he's nestea and booo huk why would you tryhard when there's nothing on the line? I could go on but you probably don't have the brain to understand/don't want to understand what's happening, just stop talking about naniwa not being worth to be called a progamer because you just don't have any right from your nothingness to trash someone's hard work like that. And also, if something like this gets him penalized somehow then it just shows how much of a joke esports is. wow wall of text. anyway fyi i think stephano is a douche for throwing his games as well. any sort of unprofessionalism in the e-sports scene should be clamped down on. thats why coca forfeited his code S spot, thats why nani should suffer some sort of penalty. and as for there being no drama over idra who are you kidding? there are 10,000 idra haters out there including myself, who thinks his unprofessionalism crosses the line. players who act in an unprofessional manner should know that they're going to get this kind of stick from a good proportion of their fans. if they want us off their backs, they should act professionally. they have the right to act unprofessionally, the same way i have the right to flame them for it and the same right you have to flame me for flaming them. live with it. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:40 Rafael wrote: Oh my god, can we just understand that we are fucking humans a walking bag of feelings ready to burst (good or bad), he didn't want to play the game why make him, you had to just forfeit his ass that's all. And now the drama for an action ANY OF US would have taken in other aspect of life. Get over it. Why make him? Because he agreed to it. He said he would do it. Should we not assume he's a man of his word? | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:38 Roxy wrote: Hey everyone, lets look at this game: Stephano vs Bratok They were both TRYING to lose.. anyone want to hang them too? how about when nestea threw this game: and i dont have the link, but remember when Idra 6-pooled jinro in GSL.. ya.. throwing games that you dont give a crap about is nothing new. why is everyone out to hang naniwa? grow up People weren't exactly happy about those game either. But at least they played somewhat instead of 1aing their initial workers into a base. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:26 Kharnage wrote: The Australian version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underarm_bowling_incident_of_1981 what's more, incidents like this become part of the history of the sport and the sport evolves: If it's not banned or prohibited there can be no meanful backlash for doing it apart from saying "that was an arse thing to do" and implementing guidelines of expected behaviour. That is one of the examples of underhanded tactics (haha) to win a game, not lose it! And you know it is still talked about occasionally as a dick thing done by the australians. Sort of like the bodyline series by the brits. As dickish as those two were, they were done to win which makes them completely different. A closer analogue is what the Pakistanis were accused of doing - throwing games. And that was such a big controversy upto and including death threats for them. Or what Gibbs was fined for (though it seems he never even followed through on scoring less than 20 runs). Playing to lose is worse than playing to win. edit: Also I'd like to point out that saying there can be no meaningful backlash is wrong. The underarm incident caused comment by the PM of NZ and Australia. His brother said (and this I just learnt from the wikipedia page) "No, Greg, no you can't do that"! How is that not meaningful backlash? The result stood, but the censure was extreme! | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
I t was naniwa that decided to hurt his own reputation by doing that worker rush. all the fans knew that it was a suicidal move that was act out of frustration. If some fans like Naniwa more because of this, well that's fine too man. it really doesn't matter, since no one could killed or injured. I mean, it's just a game. And even though this game involved money, i don't think that naniwa was colluding with anybody to throw that game. So legally, he shouldn't be punished. Whatever hate he gets back, Naniwa will have to take responsibility for.. I for one will forgive him, since everyone makes stupid mistakes.. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:34 Femari wrote: After he gets bounced from Code S they mean. It's well known Naniwa sucks when people can really prepare for him. There's a reason he gets bounced 0-2 every single time. So then Nestea and MVP were throwing matches at MLG then? Ah, da pwot fickens! | ||
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pigscanfly
Singapore147 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:44 Hubris wrote: People weren't exactly happy about those game either. But at least they played somewhat instead of 1aing their initial workers into a base. people were out to hang stephano and brat_ok too, and i really don't know why people keep bringing up idra as an example. people have been criticising him for this sort of behaviour or a really long time, so we aren't out to get naniwa anymore than we are out to get any of the guys who display unprofessional behaviour. also, i don't think the nestea game is a good example, it's a completely different situation. they were maxed, he didn't know how to kill mvp. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:57 Agathon wrote: When Idra no-gg's Kas in DH (an exemple beetwin hundreds), or insulting his opponent during his streamed ladder training ("Awful player", "He is just very very bad", "Gay tactic, asshole", etc....), it's "not a big deal" according to most of you. Why is it a big deal with Naniwa? Both have very bad manners or it's not a big deal for both, but making a public trial only to Naniwa is hardly unfair. Again and again on TL (or reddit), "Two weights, two scales". i agree that overall in the scheme of life, it wasn't a big deal.. but comparing streamed latter matches and a real Sc2 tournament is really wrong of you... | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:44 Hubris wrote: People weren't exactly happy about those game either. But at least they played somewhat instead of 1aing their initial workers into a base. HAHAHA GSL should say "you need to play all 4 matches and try somewhat if you are in a situation where the outcome doesn't matter. People that actually advocate relative morality or ethics are truly frightening. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
Go watch the replay, he never had that big of a lead. MVP was doing his standard strat on shakuras. Its not easy to beat that. Nestea was actually a lot behind before he made that shitton of broodlords. It was just a desperate move by him. Ive seen ppl saying it would be better if he made 10 broodlords and some corrupters. THats plain wrong. THat would do shit vs mass ghosts. He needed to do something insane in order to make a comeback (yes he was far behind at that time). | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:47 U_G_L_Y wrote: So then Nestea and MVP were throwing matches at MLG then? Ah, da pwot fickens! What? Are you talking about the Global Invitational, the small event right before the biggest foreigner event of the year in Providence? The one that had like $47000 less in prize money than Providence? You really think they were preparing for Naniwa alone and not Providence? | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
what has become of the starcraft community | ||
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TundrA.
Canada35 Posts
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:55 U_G_L_Y wrote: HAHAHA GSL should say "you need to play all 4 matches and try somewhat if you are in a situation where the outcome doesn't matter. People that actually advocate relative morality or ethics are truly frightening. What are you talking about? The games DO matter. People pay good money to see them. Relative morality exists naturally. Like it or not. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:55 Femari wrote: What? Are you talking about the Global Invitational, the small event right before the biggest foreigner event of the year in Providence? The one that had like $47000 less in prize money than Providence? You really think they were preparing for Naniwa alone and not Providence? So you're saying money SHOULD determine how a player chooses to spend their time? Oh I am so confused! | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:05 U_G_L_Y wrote: So you're saying money SHOULD determine how a player chooses to spend their time? Oh I am so confused! You just don't get it. I'm saying Naniwa is easily dissected when he is prepared for. You countered saying ridiculous things like "I GUESS MVP AND NESTEA THREW GAMES AT MLG THEN" which implied Nestea and MVP were only focusing on Naniwa. I pointed out there was a much larger tournament they were also in. Which means it's ridiculous to assume they're only focusing on Naniwa. Naniwa is better when there is no real prep for him. But when he is the focus he is dissected because he doesn't alter his builds that much. All he did was FFE in Providence and then Leenock finally punished it in the finals. He needs to alter his builds. Also I highly doubt that players do not prioritize based on money. Koreans don't get salaries like the foreigners do for the most part. So they try to get the most money they can. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
I also expected some shit to come to Quantic. And if it didn't yet, I am certain they will have in near future when it comes to Naniwa. Also, I am amazed at people who still defend this guy. Korea is full of nerds who are trying to get into various tourneys, and yet, this guy gets an invite (and who knows how many of those Koreans are actually better than Naniwa, I'd hazard a guess MANY) over them, and plays like a noob amateurish primadonna. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:39 teamsolid wrote: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/when_in_Rome,_do_as_the_Romans_do People need to learn to respect others' cultures. I'm confused. Should the Global Starcraft League be respectful and tolerant of Naniwa's culture, or the other way 'round? All I know is that everyone should try to force their own personal code of ethics onto other people. And if those people refuse said arbitrary unwritten ethical standards, that is the best justification for shunning them. Also, Naniwa should be prosecuted for attempted murder, since I considered killing myself because I wan't able to see the type of match I had hoped for. | ||
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