EPTAn article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 54
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Brandish
United States339 Posts
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
Sure, it's unfortunate for everyone that Nani didn't take his match seriously but ultimately that's his decision and people who feel like they didn't get their money's worth should be upset with the TOURNAMENT ORGANIZERS for assuming that the players would be willing to provide fancy showmatches when there is no financial motivation to do so. It's not like these guys were invited to fly out and play these prestigious games, they earned their spots so quite frankly GOM tv, thisisgame, or anyone else who is bitching about this needs to wake up and realize that not every player cares about pleasing the community (especially not after having a very disappointing tournament run!) | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
hah I dont think so if you do search around. I'm not gonna do the work for you. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:56 Aro wrote: How is this different from a sports team playing their bench in meaningless games? Sports teams play their B team to give them more on-field experience, and evaluate the potential of their up-and-coming players. It's an investment in the future.. It also allows the fans to see these players play. There have been many stories of bench players shining in games like this, and eventually making it into the A team because of it. Analogous to that would have been if Naniwa tried an unrefined build in yesterday's game, to give it a test against a Code S level opponent. | ||
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PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
imagine if this happened in every sport | ||
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Ravomat
Germany427 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:53 Russano wrote: So can one of you you guys snidely saying I'm retarded tell me where I'm wrong, I get the feeling I've miscommunicated here. Naniwa should try his best to adapt to korean culture. Koreans should try to not to be offended from something he didn't know was offensive? I'm saying both cultures should try and accomodate one another. I can't because I think you're right. If they want their faked match let them have it. On December 14 2011 05:57 tlin wrote: Naniwa should learn eight little magical worlds when it comes to throwing matches in Korea. "I just wanted to show an enjoyable game". That would be fine if it was a showmatch. Though it was a meaningless match in a tournament he already lost. Also no one would believe such a thing anyway when he had 4gated. You're a hypocrite. | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:01 Jibba wrote: Because the bench players actually give effort. Even going through the motions is more effort than this. The only thing really equivalent to this is W. Germany vs. Austria in '82 when the W. Germans just ran around aimlessly without even trying to play the match. They were reamed for it, by Germans too. If he really didn't want to play, they he simply should've not played. He wasn't being any more honest than other people. Very well said. I was going to say that an olympic format would be a better analogy, but this is much better | ||
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vali
Netherlands59 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:01 dibbaN wrote: I remember IdrA throwing 3 games in a row vs MC. Few people in the scene made a big deal out of it. He got a lot of shit for it. It had a bunch of pages in the LR thread, his fan club and I'm pretty sure they talked about it on SotG. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:02 sitromit wrote: Sports teams play their B team to give them more on-field experience, and evaluate the potential of their up-and-coming players. It's an investment in the future.. It also allows the fans to see these players play. There have been many stories of bench players shining in games like this, and eventually making it into the A team because of it. Analogous to that would have been if Naniwa tried an unrefined build in yesterday's game, to give it a test against a Code S level opponent. Seriously, we see this all the time in the GSTL where teams send out less known players to give them stage experience. Does that mean they're not trying to win? Fuck no absolutely not, the guys they send out there want to win more than anything to prove themselves. It's a terrible analogy. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:01 Jibba wrote: Because the bench players actually give effort. Even going through the motions is more effort than this. The only thing really equivalent to this is W. Germany vs. Austria in '82 when the W. Germans just ran around aimlessly without even trying to play the match. They were reamed for it, by Germans too. If he really didn't want to play, they he simply should've not played. He wasn't being any more honest than other people. Don't quote me on this but I think he wasn't allowed to forfeit. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:50 perestain wrote: word! The term culture is abused on a regular basis as an excuse for the worst kind of behaviour. Mega over generalization... I am 100% sure that if this were in ANY other country in the world the response would have been at bad... it's just bad over all... I mean seriously, it's one thing to skew the situation into using child soldiers in a situation where it's basic manners.... if he didn't want to play a "useless game" then he could have declined to play instead of purposefully getting on international stream and throwing his forfeit into the other player's face.... Your argument is childish and misplaced... it is correct, but only in situations of changes in human rights... in fundamentally serious situations... not in a video game arena... | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:45 aviator116 wrote: This really shows the difference between foreign perception of ESPORTS and the korean perception. koreans have spent over a decade shaping starcraft into an nationally accepted sport. for ANY player to throw games is just unacceptable. Remember when Bratok and stephano tried to lose at assembly so they wouldn't have to play Sen? the koreans blew up at that as well. just because the game doesnt matter doesnt mean one of the players should just decide to not give a shit. This is why Korean opinion of foreigners have always been so low. But Hero threw his game against DRG yesterday? | ||
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Kemy
105 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:02 Ravomat wrote: I can't because I think you're right. If they want their faked match let them have it. That would be fine if it was a showmatch. Though it was a meaningless match in a tournament he already lost. Also no one would believe such a thing anyway when he had 4gated. You're a hypocrite. That whole tournament was a big fucking showmatch.... this is not a regular tournament throughout the year it's the last showing of the year's greatest playing epic games that could be finals in other tournaments. | ||
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:57 GrungyMunchy wrote: That's actually a really good analogy. No, that is a terrible analogy. This is more like a football team just kneeling it every single down in a meaningless game or a baseball team having every single batter strike out without swinging for 9 straight innings or a soccer team just sitting down and watching the other team score over and over again. Bad players still play as hard as they can to win. If I was in charge over at Gom, Naniwa would not be allowed to play in any GSL event for one year, minimum. | ||
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qwertyindeed
151 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:56 Aro wrote: How is this different from a sports team playing their bench in meaningless games? maybe because of the rivalry people were expecting a good game. For me, that's the game i was looking forward to. So as a fan, i am not happy since he is being selfish -imagine fans/a team are supporting this kid(some financially), who gets to travel around the world to play a game for a living-and he does not do it. IF its considered work and you don't treat it like that, then its just silly its like when you go work in an office or wherever and there is no work or little work to do. sometimes you just gotta look busy . everyone knows there is no work today but you cant go screwing around. (assume its paid hourly and boss wont let you go early  ) | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:04 Paperplane wrote: Don't quote me on this but I think he wasn't allowed to forfeit. What? They'd throw him in prison if he said he didn't want to play? Playing the game is a player's choice at ALL times. I am 100% sure Complexity would have PREFERRED him to just forfeit than this shitstorm... | ||
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:53 GrungyMunchy wrote: And all of that would be appliable if he didn't play his match. He did. Just in a way you didn't like. Players don't have an obligation to play entertaining games, they have an obligation to play games. Whether they're entertaining or not it's for each person to decide. It's also the team's right to fire players who sully the reputation of the team, organization, or tournament, or intentionally play build orders and styles that lose games, and it's my right to call out players who piss away their god-given talent because they're butthurt about getting eliminated. I'm leveraging my side of the bargain and I won't be stunned when these teams (who don't exactly have the resources to provide paychecks to players that deliberately choose not to compete in their games) start leveraging their end. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:01 Jibba wrote: Because the bench players actually give effort. Even going through the motions is more effort than this. The only thing really equivalent to this is W. Germany vs. Austria in '82 when the W. Germans just ran around aimlessly without even trying to play the match. They were reamed for it, by Germans too. If he really didn't want to play, they he simply should've not played. He wasn't being any more honest than other people. If the Germans didn't want to play, then they simply should've not played. Yet they did. Maybe they had to. Like Naniwa? | ||
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Chained
United States137 Posts
Playing the bench at least helps the team for the future. Whether its because the team is bad and they need younger players to get field time, or a good team making sure their backups can play well if a starter gets injured. Playing the bench would equate to using an experimental build that isnt well tested, not using a gameplan that has virtually no chance at working. | ||
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