EPTAn article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 43
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DjRoomba
Finland3 Posts
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
And arguments over differences in culture are ridiculous. Try demanding respecting western culture in arabian countries (at least in those, which follow islam rules quite strictly). Wherever you go, you obey cultural habits of your host. It's not questionable at all. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
It will certainly be better for his sc2 career. And i'm tired of all those people who say "fuck it", "badass", "be yourself" with regards to this. This world is all about social/peer pressure and i'm sure most of the "bad asses" in TL conform to social norms one way or another. All of us can see that it will be smart of Naniwa to have at least pretended to give a shit. Then this thread wouldn't have even existed. | ||
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote: You could edit this at the end of OP TL;DR Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders. Understanding cultures go both ways. You expect Koreans to understand Naniwa's "Western" culture of winning but you do not understand the Korean culture of respect. So ironic. Last time I checked, "fighting to the bitter end" thing is very prevalent in Western cultures. 300 and Spartans and all. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Ponchey
Sweden89 Posts
In the end I just really hope HuK can show the Koreans that the foreigners can be nice too... I just love it when people bring this up. I think Huk is really funny, but consider one of the things Huk did at MLG Providence. When he played (and lost) against Naniwa, he put the "It's simple, we kill the Batman" meme image of Naniwa on his desktop, which would show to the entire audience on big screen in between games. Imagine this was the GSL, and Huk had put some meme image "making fun of" NesTea on the big screen. Wouldn't that be like one million times more disrespectful than what Naniwa did today? And still, I don't think I've heard anyone even mentioning this particular event from MLG since*. Everyone was busy talking about how Nani thumbs downed NesTea, as if he had just killed a bassetful of kittens. How's that for double standards? *Apart from being a side note in the whole "was Nani booed?" discussion. | ||
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softan
Sweden113 Posts
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Russano
United States425 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:12 Namkung wrote: Not sure if I should even take you seriously for comparing this to the case of epgimix case. people laughed . Is that what you took out of this? You looked at what happened and was just like oh man that was funny. and no other thoughts came across your mind? that what he did was even slightly inappropriate ? I guess it didn't since you said "i wasn't outraged then, and I'm not outraged now" but as it turns out, a dominating majority of people seem to be outraged in Korea and it will surely have negative implications for naniwa. rightfully so. where exactly do you come off as saying that most asian culture are not known for their sense of humor? just by observing Asian people? Actually let me use your logic here. The koreans could then argue the foreigners are not exactly known to take things (sc2 being the prime example here) as seriously as they do. I hope there are serious consequences for naniwa for what he has done . My intial reaction, was yes, laughter. I didn't think it was a big deal til a bunch of koreans told me it was. The epGimix thing is an important comparison, just liek teh stephano and idra comparisons. There are many instances of players gaming a system, and not playing out matches because there isn't a reward in doing so, and they aren't, and shouldn't be villified for doing so. and yes, asian cultures aren't known for their sense of humor, just like arab cultures aren't known for their acceptance of women's rights. and Yes, even foreigners aren't known for their huge commitment to starcraft when compared to koreans. A culture is one giant set of generalizations. What food's they eat, is part of a culture, does that mean everyone eats those foods? No, Is what they wear apart of their culture? Yes. Does everyone follow it? No. I hope there aren't serious consequences. This world is turning to shit so often because people overreact about things that they don't have to. Which leads to shit like this wehre people demonize naniwa over something insignificant. People need to chill the fuck out, and not get butthurt over every conceivable slight. | ||
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DjRoomba
Finland3 Posts
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tlin
25 Posts
"People act like what Naniwa did is unprecedented. It's not. It's common. Naniwa just took it to the logical, non-deceptive extreme." | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:46 robih wrote: its just pathetic how they make a big deal out of nothing thats not for you to say, the korean esports scene has been around for over decade and their views on what they believe is appropriate sc ethiquette/behaviour will obviously be different than what your views of it are, i personally didnt care much for what he did but the koreans did and that alone is horrible pr for our community | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:20 Ponchey wrote: I just love it when people bring this up. I think Huk is really funny, but consider one of the things Huk did at MLG Providence. When he played (and lost) against Naniwa, he put the "It's simple, we kill the Batman" meme image of Naniwa on his desktop, which would show to the entire audience on big screen in between games. Imagine this was the GSL, and Huk had put some meme image "making fun of"* NesTea on the big screen. Wouldn't that be like one million times more disrespectful than what Naniwa did today? And still, I don't think I've heard anyone even mentioning this particular event from MLG since*. Everyone was busy talking about how Nani thumbs downed NesTea, as if he had just killed a bassetful of kittens. How's that for double standards? *Apart from being a side note in the whole "was Nani booed?" discussion. It was a culmination of various things, from "idiotic" to pausing to criticizing MLG to thumbs down. Thumbs down alone is a normal ceremony performed in GSTL many times, nobody minds. Naniwa did the thumbs down at a pretty bad timing, and that explains the reaction. And i'm sure if MVP did something like that image to Nestea, it wouldn't have mattered since they are on good terms. Huk and Naniwa are on good terms i suppose. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:56 zanga wrote: How about adding what the man himself has said about the issue and not just the least involved people? http://twitter.com/#!/QuanticNaNi/status/146590749985742848 And of course when he says (as seen in the interview of "Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B") "I AM VERY SORRY ABOUT THIS" ... As was he many times before, why should we care about his apologies anymore? He clearly doesn't mean it, you know it, I know it, as do many other people. | ||
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Dexx
Germany175 Posts
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tetrismaan
Denmark302 Posts
This is one of those things which makes sports fun. I just love how naniwa doesn't give a flying fuck of what others thinks of him. Why the hell should he care? If every personality in Starcraft / eSport was the same, why would there even be fanclubs? This is something for the mass. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:19 The_LiNk wrote: Understanding cultures go both ways. You expect Koreans to understand Naniwa's "Western" culture of winning but you do not understand the Korean culture of respect. So ironic. Last time I checked, "fighting to the bitter end" thing is very prevalent in Western cultures. 300 and Spartans and all. Naniwa was in pissed off, so there is a reason why he dosnt act respectfully. And FYI. 300 spartans was not a documentary. 300 spartans never did kill 10 000 persians. If you havent stayed awake during history lessons, western nations give up before they have only 300 soldiers left. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:22 DjRoomba wrote: OMFG do you relly think that pros play to show ther fanns that is relly retarded they play to win and nani cude nott win any more so why the fuck nott just give up huh ? Well fans are the basic foundation of every sport. Without fans, there will be no competitive scene. So yes, fans are really important. Naniwa not caring about fans is ok but of course fans will bad mouth Naniwa lol. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:25 canikizu wrote: As was he many times before, why should we care about his apologies anymore? He clearly doesn't mean it, you know it, I know it, as do many other people. I'm not so sure about that...I honestly think he just doesn't understand the implications of his actions. This isn't even about having a PR person to help you out, he just lacks understanding of basic social norms. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
I just don't understand why this is different. | ||
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