• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:20
CET 10:20
KST 18:20
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War List of top players active on ShieldBattery [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Nintendo Switch Thread Deus Ex 3!?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6904 users

An article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 42

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 82 Next
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:11:30
December 13 2011 19:11 GMT
#821
But I don't remember a single person bringing up how it was unfair to the other people who got hosed, for white-ra to free wins when other people werent' allowed to within the same system. Why? Because people love White-Ra and don't love Naniwa.

and yes, that' is a total massive generalization lol. But that's what a culture is, one giant fucking generalization.
allerion
Profile Joined December 2011
62 Posts
December 13 2011 19:11 GMT
#822
deal w/ it nerds

User was warned for this post
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:11:36
December 13 2011 19:11 GMT
#823
On December 13 2011 23:36 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:31 brachester wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:12 zul wrote:
Naniwa responds on twitter: "apparently people got upset when i probe rushed nestea, the game was pointless and it couldnt change anything in the tournament."

people who bought the HD Pass just to see good games from him, will not approve of this behavior.

The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction.

that doesn't mean he can THROW AWAY a game. Sure he can hide his strat, but at least try to play a standard game/show a good game for the fans.

Lets stop lying her.
THIS is more fun then a proper game. Anyone who posted anything in these threads and claims he would prefer seeing a shitty game over this drama is a liar.


That is definately a point.

I personally don´t think that Naniwas behaviour caused any real damage - it was highly entertaining and for some reason I spend my whole fuckin evening reading this thread.

Still I understand the Koreans and I share their opinion. Naniwa should not be punished since he did not do anything illegal. BUT he will be punished anyway. He will not be respected any longer by many people. The people who seriously blame the system of GOMTV will grow up and stop respecting Naniwa.

If Naniwa would have rushed for a Mommaship I would highly respect him for entertaining me. This way he did not intend on entertaining me (actually the community is entertaining me right now) so I will not respect him.

In the end I just really hope HuK can show the Koreans that the foreigners can be nice too...
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Namkung
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada151 Posts
December 13 2011 19:12 GMT
#824
On December 14 2011 04:03 Russano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:59 Namkung wrote:
On December 14 2011 03:54 Russano wrote:
On December 14 2011 03:52 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Im pretty sure that this is going to have consequences for him. Some people might find it funny and all that, but its a korean tournament taking place in korea, and in their culture this is not considered funny, and they are the ones that decide~~


Unfortunately their culture is also known for having a shit sense of humor, so I wouldn't be surprised if it does turn out really badly for him.


yea bro.
what he did was so funny huh


I laughed at teh probe rush. To me it felt like a mothership rush. The casters laughed. Audience members laughed.


You guys remember ePGimix? He threw games for White-ra to make their series even. He was fucking lauded for that. Everyone LOVED IT. He compromised the integrity of the MLG brackets. Everyone loved it because it was fucking beast, and it helped white-ra who is also beast. I wasn't outraged then, and I'm not outraged now just because its fucking Naniwa, who along wtih Major are the most socially inept people we could throw at Korea.

and yes, Koreans and most every asian culture, are not anywhere near known for their sense of humor, especially when it comes to sarcasm.


Not sure if I should even take you seriously for comparing this to the case of epgimix case.
people laughed . Is that what you took out of this?
You looked at what happened and was just like oh man that was funny. and no other thoughts came across your mind? that what he did was even slightly inappropriate ?
I guess it didn't since you said "i wasn't outraged then, and I'm not outraged now" but as it turns out, a dominating majority of people seem to be outraged in Korea and it will surely have negative implications for naniwa. rightfully so.

where exactly do you come off as saying that most asian culture are not known for their sense of humor?
just by observing Asian people?
Actually let me use your logic here.
The koreans could then argue the foreigners are not exactly known to take things (sc2 being the prime example here) as seriously as they do.

I hope there are serious consequences for naniwa for what he has done .
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 13 2011 19:12 GMT
#825
On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote:
You could edit this at the end of OP

TL;DR

Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders.


Lack of respect for another culture is a prevalent problem worldwide.

And i don't see which aspect of western culture is about giving up games even though they may not matter. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
Hurricaned
Profile Joined October 2011
France126 Posts
December 13 2011 19:13 GMT
#826
That was so "CHILL GET OUT" like. I think nani has ever been bad mannered
Damnight
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany222 Posts
December 13 2011 19:13 GMT
#827
Thank you for the Translation!!!!

This article is outrages though, im mean to date i never liked nani because of his playstyle not his person. Now still the same! How dare they insult him!!! that is not how eSports works, if i want shit like that i go watch football!!!!
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
December 13 2011 19:13 GMT
#828
On December 14 2011 04:11 cellblock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:06 Xalorian wrote:
Seriously, at this point, he should just apologise to GOM and to Nestea, saying that he was really tired and was depress after is poor performance, and that he should not have played the match at all... and that he will not throw anymore match from now on.


lmfao
Why should he apologize? He dont regret it or care about it obviously, so why should he lie and apologize. To make u circlejerkers feel good about how warm and fuzzy esport is?


You only apologize when you feel regret? WTF is this. You apologize when you realize that the other party doesn't feel good about what you did. You apologize when apparently you insulted the other, no matter it was intentional or not. Is it that hard to understand?
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
December 13 2011 19:14 GMT
#829
On December 14 2011 03:58 Ecrilon wrote:
Nestea should have shown a good game to the fans by worker rushing at the same time.
...
Get over it. Is it really better if Naniwa goes and proxy two gates instead?


yes, it is better.
blah blah blah...
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
December 13 2011 19:14 GMT
#830
It was Nesteas birhtday. Nani gave him a win as a present its fine.
http://www.twitch.tv/d4v3z02 all your base are belong to overlord
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
December 13 2011 19:14 GMT
#831
On December 14 2011 04:10 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:05 Russano wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:03 danson wrote:
naniwa should watch the Indianapolis colts this sunday. they are 0-13 and have nothing to play for but self respect. they will try their hardest.

and i dont buy the "game was meaningless, nothing to play for" shit from him.

he could have lost every game, but if he beats nestea IT STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN A SUCCESSFUL NIGHT for him because HE hyped the game up so much.


Because naniwa is obsessed with winning real competitive matches, he doesn't give two shits for some made up overhyped rivarly.


Yeah of course he's obsessed with winning REAL COMPETITIVE matches, his record is just fine in GSL isn't it? Of course he doesn't need to prove himself in Korea against one of the best zergs in the world. Of course he doesn't need to do it.


I'm pretty sure providence was proof enough. Just because he tried and lost before doesn't mean he needs to try for games that don't matter. Naniwa clearly is different then most people, so faux-pas like this are definately going to happen, people with these kinds of social issues always have these kinds of problems, and blowing them up and out of poportion doesn't help anybody, especially when people pretend it helps e-sports to do so.
xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
December 13 2011 19:14 GMT
#832
I'll be honest, with all the people supporting naniwa at the moment... I'm embarrassed to be a part of the foreigner community.

People paid to see matches, even a 6pool would be okay as nestea would of still been trying to win, Naniwa has no pride. he just though "f*** it".if this was in a proper sport, the player/team would be banned from the tournament, and i think he should be banned for 1-2 seasons of GSL and fined... IMO this is worse than what Coca done, much worse, as coca still won the match and only did it for one more match.
whereyouat
Profile Joined December 2011
United States65 Posts
December 13 2011 19:15 GMT
#833
How does Naniwa not have anything to win? He has no pride? No fans? Complete lack of professionalism to even mention "There was nothing to gain from playing this match." Should not even play the game at this level if thats the way you view it. He has everything to gain from it, leave with your damn head held up high win or lose. Could have been the most epic match to be talked about for years solidifying his place within the greats of 2011. But everything is hypothetical and the could have & would haves don't really matter because what he did was throw away the game in front of thousands on live TV/streams on the only SC2 e-sport broadcasting show at what is supposed to be the great tournament of the year.

Has Naniwa made sc2 his profession? Yes
Is he professional at what he does? No
creepcolony
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 19:18:34
December 13 2011 19:15 GMT
#834
Wow, this is getting really ridiculous. People should get over it imo.

GOM should explain naniwa that they have a fucking product to sell and that with this kind of behaviour he wont get much screen time in korea in the future. Naniwa should apologise to nestea, GOM and the viewers, done.

Perhaps it is just that in korea e-sports is even more serious and important than the common foreigner can comprehend, or maybe its more the cultural difference. Probably a combination of both i guess.

In this case its the foreigner that comes to korea, so naniwa should take some effort to adapt to the local society. But, koreans should be a bit more lenient with naniwa. If GOM decides to take serious actions against naniwa i will double check if i really want to buy a ticket for the next year..
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 13 2011 19:15 GMT
#835
On December 14 2011 04:13 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:11 cellblock wrote:
On December 14 2011 04:06 Xalorian wrote:
Seriously, at this point, he should just apologise to GOM and to Nestea, saying that he was really tired and was depress after is poor performance, and that he should not have played the match at all... and that he will not throw anymore match from now on.


lmfao
Why should he apologize? He dont regret it or care about it obviously, so why should he lie and apologize. To make u circlejerkers feel good about how warm and fuzzy esport is?


You only apologize when you feel regret? WTF is this. You apologize when you realize that the other party doesn't feel good about what you did. You apologize when apparently you insulted the other, no matter it was intentional or not. Is it that hard to understand?


Haha and specifically in Naniwa's case, i really hope he apologises so he can have more practise partners as he can be a very good player.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
December 13 2011 19:15 GMT
#836
On December 14 2011 04:12 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote:
You could edit this at the end of OP

TL;DR

Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders.


Lack of respect for another culture is a prevalent problem worldwide.

And i don't see which aspect of western culture is about giving up games even though they may not matter. Perhaps you could enlighten me.


IdrA forfeited all his group stage matches in IPL3 after losing his first; same situation with inconsequential matches. It was asked, then dropped. No drama stirring articles were written questioning Idra's status as a pro gamer.
Treble557
Profile Joined August 2010
United States221 Posts
December 13 2011 19:16 GMT
#837
I'm not gonna lie, I don't see the big deal here.

I mean, if a pro football team throws a game, then it's a big deal because everyone paid to go see that one team, that one game, and expects to get their money's worth.

We on the other hand had many many games to watch, and this one game was really one that just didn't even matter in the long run.
I honestly would have liked to see him do something more.. silly, rather then throw the game. Like try to beat him with a 3 nexus mass probe rush or something, but all in all I think this is a massive over reaction, and does not tarnish my image of him at all since I can see why he would be upset and not even want to play the match to begin with.

We didn't really lose anything from him doing this, so why is everyone complaining?
cellblock
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden206 Posts
December 13 2011 19:16 GMT
#838
On December 14 2011 04:09 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
the reason koreans are so mad is not because of some strange culture-thing, its because theyre praying really hard that the west will start taking e-sports seriously since the are the world leaders.

its not strange. swedes would love it if other countries started to care about floorball or bandy

so, when arguably the best non-korean in the world acts this way they get scared. was e-sports in the west just a fluke? do they not care about us?

they feel insulted in a totally different way than if MC would have done the same at MLG, because naniwa is more or less saying "f**k this, i dont care about this game" and that game is soooo much more important to the koreans than it is to us. to them every game between a foreigner and a korean means that maybe maybe e-sports will grow in the west and players like nestea and mvp can become real international stars. not just national stars that noone outside of korea have heard of, but actual superstars

the koreans know that if e-sports hits big in the west they will have a huge edge, and lots of money and fans will be guaranteed

Esport have existed and been taken seriously since 2000 in the West. Also SC2 is bigger than KR in both NA and Europe if you look at active ladder players. Nestea and Mvp are hardly national stars, dont think anyone would recognize them on the streets of Seuol.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 13 2011 19:17 GMT
#839
On December 14 2011 04:12 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote:
You could edit this at the end of OP

TL;DR

Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders.


Lack of respect for another culture is a prevalent problem worldwide.

And i don't see which aspect of western culture is about giving up games even though they may not matter. Perhaps you could enlighten me.


^

So you travel to Korea, get paid by a Korean sponsor to play in a Korean tournament celebrating a game that Koreans love to play and watch, shit on their most basic norms and culture, and it's their fault they're not more open-minded?

I suppose part of Western culture is about invading other cultures and claiming they need to adapt too?
tlin
Profile Joined December 2011
25 Posts
December 13 2011 19:18 GMT
#840
On December 14 2011 04:14 xi Tempest x wrote:
even a 6pool would be okay as nestea would of still been trying to win [...]

NesTea has mocked HuK in the past for taking showmatches seriously. (ie, trying to win)
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 82 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 40m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech41
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8363
Shuttle 1852
Horang2 730
actioN 708
Bisu 595
Larva 286
Jaedong 246
Zeus 172
HiyA 87
EffOrt 83
[ Show more ]
Noble 62
Rush 42
Bale 33
sSak 32
Yoon 32
Sharp 26
NaDa 23
Sacsri 20
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
ODPixel543
monkeys_forever112
Counter-Strike
fl0m3865
Super Smash Bros
Westballz32
Other Games
summit1g10153
JimRising 440
XaKoH 332
Fuzer 170
Mew2King91
NeuroSwarm51
ViBE39
Railgan12
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL74
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 33
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt569
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1h 40m
herO vs Solar
MaxPax vs SHIN
IPSL
7h 40m
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
BSL
10h 40m
Cross vs Puma
Artosis vs Spine
Replay Cast
13h 40m
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
IPSL
6 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-05
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.