EPTand yes, that' is a total massive generalization lol. But that's what a culture is, one giant fucking generalization.
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Russano
United States425 Posts
and yes, that' is a total massive generalization lol. But that's what a culture is, one giant fucking generalization. | ||
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allerion
62 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:36 Sfydjklm wrote: Lets stop lying her. THIS is more fun then a proper game. Anyone who posted anything in these threads and claims he would prefer seeing a shitty game over this drama is a liar. That is definately a point. I personally don´t think that Naniwas behaviour caused any real damage - it was highly entertaining and for some reason I spend my whole fuckin evening reading this thread. Still I understand the Koreans and I share their opinion. Naniwa should not be punished since he did not do anything illegal. BUT he will be punished anyway. He will not be respected any longer by many people. The people who seriously blame the system of GOMTV will grow up and stop respecting Naniwa. If Naniwa would have rushed for a Mommaship I would highly respect him for entertaining me. This way he did not intend on entertaining me (actually the community is entertaining me right now) so I will not respect him. In the end I just really hope HuK can show the Koreans that the foreigners can be nice too... | ||
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Namkung
Canada151 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:03 Russano wrote: I laughed at teh probe rush. To me it felt like a mothership rush. The casters laughed. Audience members laughed. You guys remember ePGimix? He threw games for White-ra to make their series even. He was fucking lauded for that. Everyone LOVED IT. He compromised the integrity of the MLG brackets. Everyone loved it because it was fucking beast, and it helped white-ra who is also beast. I wasn't outraged then, and I'm not outraged now just because its fucking Naniwa, who along wtih Major are the most socially inept people we could throw at Korea. and yes, Koreans and most every asian culture, are not anywhere near known for their sense of humor, especially when it comes to sarcasm. Not sure if I should even take you seriously for comparing this to the case of epgimix case. people laughed . Is that what you took out of this? You looked at what happened and was just like oh man that was funny. and no other thoughts came across your mind? that what he did was even slightly inappropriate ? I guess it didn't since you said "i wasn't outraged then, and I'm not outraged now" but as it turns out, a dominating majority of people seem to be outraged in Korea and it will surely have negative implications for naniwa. rightfully so. where exactly do you come off as saying that most asian culture are not known for their sense of humor? just by observing Asian people? Actually let me use your logic here. The koreans could then argue the foreigners are not exactly known to take things (sc2 being the prime example here) as seriously as they do. I hope there are serious consequences for naniwa for what he has done . | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote: You could edit this at the end of OP TL;DR Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders. Lack of respect for another culture is a prevalent problem worldwide. And i don't see which aspect of western culture is about giving up games even though they may not matter. Perhaps you could enlighten me. | ||
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Hurricaned
France126 Posts
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
This article is outrages though, im mean to date i never liked nani because of his playstyle not his person. Now still the same! How dare they insult him!!! that is not how eSports works, if i want shit like that i go watch football!!!! | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:11 cellblock wrote: lmfao Why should he apologize? He dont regret it or care about it obviously, so why should he lie and apologize. To make u circlejerkers feel good about how warm and fuzzy esport is? You only apologize when you feel regret? WTF is this. You apologize when you realize that the other party doesn't feel good about what you did. You apologize when apparently you insulted the other, no matter it was intentional or not. Is it that hard to understand? | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:58 Ecrilon wrote: Nestea should have shown a good game to the fans by worker rushing at the same time. ... Get over it. Is it really better if Naniwa goes and proxy two gates instead? yes, it is better. | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
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Russano
United States425 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:10 chosenkerrigan wrote: Yeah of course he's obsessed with winning REAL COMPETITIVE matches, his record is just fine in GSL isn't it? Of course he doesn't need to prove himself in Korea against one of the best zergs in the world. Of course he doesn't need to do it. I'm pretty sure providence was proof enough. Just because he tried and lost before doesn't mean he needs to try for games that don't matter. Naniwa clearly is different then most people, so faux-pas like this are definately going to happen, people with these kinds of social issues always have these kinds of problems, and blowing them up and out of poportion doesn't help anybody, especially when people pretend it helps e-sports to do so. | ||
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xi Tempest x
Scotland340 Posts
People paid to see matches, even a 6pool would be okay as nestea would of still been trying to win, Naniwa has no pride. he just though "f*** it".if this was in a proper sport, the player/team would be banned from the tournament, and i think he should be banned for 1-2 seasons of GSL and fined... IMO this is worse than what Coca done, much worse, as coca still won the match and only did it for one more match. | ||
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whereyouat
United States65 Posts
Has Naniwa made sc2 his profession? Yes Is he professional at what he does? No | ||
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creepcolony
Germany362 Posts
GOM should explain naniwa that they have a fucking product to sell and that with this kind of behaviour he wont get much screen time in korea in the future. Naniwa should apologise to nestea, GOM and the viewers, done. Perhaps it is just that in korea e-sports is even more serious and important than the common foreigner can comprehend, or maybe its more the cultural difference. Probably a combination of both i guess. In this case its the foreigner that comes to korea, so naniwa should take some effort to adapt to the local society. But, koreans should be a bit more lenient with naniwa. If GOM decides to take serious actions against naniwa i will double check if i really want to buy a ticket for the next year.. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:13 chosenkerrigan wrote: You only apologize when you feel regret? WTF is this. You apologize when you realize that the other party doesn't feel good about what you did. You apologize when apparently you insulted the other, no matter it was intentional or not. Is it that hard to understand? Haha and specifically in Naniwa's case, i really hope he apologises so he can have more practise partners as he can be a very good player. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:12 poorcloud wrote: Lack of respect for another culture is a prevalent problem worldwide. And i don't see which aspect of western culture is about giving up games even though they may not matter. Perhaps you could enlighten me. IdrA forfeited all his group stage matches in IPL3 after losing his first; same situation with inconsequential matches. It was asked, then dropped. No drama stirring articles were written questioning Idra's status as a pro gamer. | ||
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Treble557
United States221 Posts
I mean, if a pro football team throws a game, then it's a big deal because everyone paid to go see that one team, that one game, and expects to get their money's worth. We on the other hand had many many games to watch, and this one game was really one that just didn't even matter in the long run. I honestly would have liked to see him do something more.. silly, rather then throw the game. Like try to beat him with a 3 nexus mass probe rush or something, but all in all I think this is a massive over reaction, and does not tarnish my image of him at all since I can see why he would be upset and not even want to play the match to begin with. We didn't really lose anything from him doing this, so why is everyone complaining? | ||
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cellblock
Sweden206 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:09 Soma.bokforlag wrote: the reason koreans are so mad is not because of some strange culture-thing, its because theyre praying really hard that the west will start taking e-sports seriously since the are the world leaders. its not strange. swedes would love it if other countries started to care about floorball or bandy so, when arguably the best non-korean in the world acts this way they get scared. was e-sports in the west just a fluke? do they not care about us? they feel insulted in a totally different way than if MC would have done the same at MLG, because naniwa is more or less saying "f**k this, i dont care about this game" and that game is soooo much more important to the koreans than it is to us. to them every game between a foreigner and a korean means that maybe maybe e-sports will grow in the west and players like nestea and mvp can become real international stars. not just national stars that noone outside of korea have heard of, but actual superstars the koreans know that if e-sports hits big in the west they will have a huge edge, and lots of money and fans will be guaranteed Esport have existed and been taken seriously since 2000 in the West. Also SC2 is bigger than KR in both NA and Europe if you look at active ladder players. Nestea and Mvp are hardly national stars, dont think anyone would recognize them on the streets of Seuol. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:12 poorcloud wrote: Lack of respect for another culture is a prevalent problem worldwide. And i don't see which aspect of western culture is about giving up games even though they may not matter. Perhaps you could enlighten me. ^ So you travel to Korea, get paid by a Korean sponsor to play in a Korean tournament celebrating a game that Koreans love to play and watch, shit on their most basic norms and culture, and it's their fault they're not more open-minded? I suppose part of Western culture is about invading other cultures and claiming they need to adapt too? | ||
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tlin
25 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:14 xi Tempest x wrote: even a 6pool would be okay as nestea would of still been trying to win [...] NesTea has mocked HuK in the past for taking showmatches seriously. (ie, trying to win) | ||
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