EPTAt least this might make for a more interesting SotG...
An article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 45
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
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Russano
United States434 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:32 The_LiNk wrote: I don't think you understood my reference to 300 and the Spartans. I'm saying how Western culture seems to have some sort of value in fighting to the end because it's the honourable thing to do and how the lore of the Battle of Thermopylae is one of the most celebrated examples of this. Also I don't see how Naniwa being pissed off is an excuse to not act respectfully. Do Western parents really buy the candy for their child just because the child is having a temper tantrum? Yeah they do buy them the candy kinda often, and it really blows. But Naniwa sees the world differently, and probably didn't even conceive that it might be disrespectful. Im' sure he's totally shocked at how much hate he's getting for a fucking probe rush. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:33 Sandster wrote: There's a very very big difference between forfeiting and what Naniwa did. If Naniwa forfeited, fans would be disappointed (and probably a little upset), but they won't be nearly as bad as what he did. He went into the game, the fans were hyped, Nestea was ready to play, the commentators are excited...and baam. GG'd right at the start. Why the hell would you do that? If you're already in the booth, just play it out. This is what's mind-boggling to me. I don't understand what's the rationale in even starting the game. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
The tweet about Idra made me laugh. I like Naniwa don't get me wrong, getting second place at Homestory and not celebrating made me truely realize that this guy doesn't live for money or fame, he lives to be the best in what he does and reach the goals he knows he can reach. Korea will have a hard time understanding him, but they had a hard time understanding Greg so all is not lost. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:33 Sandster wrote: There's a very very big difference between forfeiting and what Naniwa did. If Naniwa forfeited, fans would be disappointed (and probably a little upset), but they won't be nearly as bad as what he did. He went into the game, the fans were hyped, Nestea was ready to play, the commentators are excited...and baam. GG'd right at the start. Why the hell would you do that? If you're already in the booth, just play it out. Nani asked if he can forfeit cause of bad mental state, but GOM refused. | ||
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LITTLEHEAD
United States79 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:17 legaton wrote: Well, with Naniwa going 0-4 on a slightly worst pool than Stephano (2-2), it seems to me it is clear now who's the better player. I think now Stephano can claim the title of best foreigner. You can't be serious. I know you're French but at least try to pass as a little less biased. | ||
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:34 Russano wrote: Yeah they do buy them the candy kinda often, and it really blows. But Naniwa sees the world differently, and probably didn't even conceive that it might be disrespectful. Im' sure he's totally shocked at how much hate he's getting for a fucking probe rush. I couldn't understand why people think it's so cool to be anti-social | ||
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whereyouat
United States65 Posts
I guess the New jersey Nets who are usually the worst in the NBA, have little to no chance of making it to the finals each year should give up and throw each game after their 5th or 6th loss because they have nothing to gain from it even though its televised to thousands. Because thats what a professional would do. | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
yes asian cultures are very cultured to be polite and respectable but you gota look at the player's point of view. it just wasn't naniwa's day. Any game at that point would have been super bad anyways. It just shows that he knew himself the best. Out of a different form of respect to Nestea, he didn't play the game until next time he was in better shape. Completely understandable | ||
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Ponchey
Sweden89 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:25 poorcloud wrote: It was a culmination of various things, from "idiotic" to pausing to criticizing MLG to thumbs down. Thumbs down alone is a normal ceremony performed in GSTL many times, nobody minds. Naniwa did the thumbs down at a pretty bad timing, and that explains the reaction. And i'm sure if MVP did something like that image to Nestea, it wouldn't have mattered since they are on good terms. Huk and Naniwa are on good terms i suppose. A culmination of various minor things that has happened lots of times before in various tournaments with various players. This will probably sound a bit biased, but I can't help but feel that all these reactions are different because they involve NesTea and the Korean scene. It's like they have some divine status and that the foreigner mortals should fall in line. Would anyone have cared if Idra had called Huk an idiot on stream? Would anyone have cared if Jinro said "fuck" on Dreamhack stage? It just feels like we're tip-toeing around the whole korean/foreigner thing. As if the foreigners have to be super respectful of the Koreans or else they might not be allowed to play with them anymore. Well, at MLG Invitational/Providence, Naniwa was a mortal who said "I don't think you're gods". I guess in one way he did today as well. Yes, its generalizing and no, it doesn't include everyone, but it just feels a bit iffy imo. | ||
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Caspas
Germany157 Posts
Naniwa really seems to think all people all over the world are either hating or loving him. But Naniwa there are still people who don't give a shit about you. I just wanted to see another ZvP of NesTea and I paid for it. So I really hope you drop off eSports for hurting it so much. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:35 Sea_Food wrote: Nani asked if he can forfeit cause of bad mental state, but GOM refused. Where do you find this info? I can't find anything that would point to that. | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:33 Sandster wrote: There's a very very big difference between forfeiting and what Naniwa did. If Naniwa forfeited, fans would be disappointed (and probably a little upset), but they won't be nearly as bad as what he did. He went into the game, the fans were hyped, Nestea was ready to play, the commentators are excited...and baam. GG'd right at the start. Why the hell would you do that? If you're already in the booth, just play it out. He probably tried to forfeit and wasn't allowed to, I still find it absurd that people are "requiring" someone to act like they care about a starcraft match when they don't. This wasn't some giant fuck you, I don't know why people are taking it personally. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:36 GrungyMunchy wrote: You can't be serious. I know you're French but at least try to pass as a little less biased. This comes off as a lot more racist than I think you intended  The best competition wasn't necessarily at this tournament, so I think the claim that Stephano≥all other foreigners is unfounded based on just this tournament, but this reply just made me laugh. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote: So you're saying it was GOMTV's fault for broadcasting an inconsequential game? I would say that 30 minutes after a player is eliminated from a major tournament is a bad time for them to be on camera, playing or not. These sorts of matchs seem out of place in a professional competition. Is there another sport where players are expected to play 30 minutes after losing a major match? Personally I expect them to shake hands if they are not to emotional and then go process their loss in their own way. In the olympics, some competitors break down when they lose and not one expects them to shake hands, gg or be interviewed. I don't understand why Starcraft 2 is any different. Players give up a lot to play in Korea. They are away from friends, family, and miss out on things that are important to them. Nani shouldn't have thrown the game because he knew what he got into when he accepted the slot. However, tournament should really think about what sort of state the player will be in after a loss and if it is a good idea to have him on camera 30 minutes later. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:37 Gabriel Verlaine wrote: "People are just hating because it's me who did it." Naniwa really seems to think all people all over the world are either hating or loving him. But Naniwa there are still people who don't give a shit about you. I just wanted to see another ZvP of NesTea and I paid for it. So I really hope you drop off eSports for hurting it so much. Why would you want to see a bullshit PvZ where neither player is trying their hardest? | ||
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DarK[A]
United States217 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:29 setmeal wrote: Tyler said it best right here. I think that many people just don't have any empathy for how hard it is to be a pro gamer. Really? How "hard" it is to be a pro gamer? You've got hundreds of thousands of nerds who would give anything to be in your shoes. You're playing a video game for money. Go talk to all of the unemployed recent college graduates about how hard your lives are. Go whine about all of the expectations placed on you by the community to the guy who just lost his office job and doesn't know how he's going to pay the mortgage next month. Honestly, talk about people acting fucking entitled. NOTE: wasn't meant to be completely directed AT YOU, setmeal... just at the general idea. | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:36 zestzorb wrote: I couldn't understand why people think it's so cool to be anti-social It's not cool, but its understandable when you think about how they would see it. Overreacting to something obviously not intentional isn't going to result in anything positive. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:37 Gabriel Verlaine wrote: "People are just hating because it's me who did it." Naniwa really seems to think all people all over the world are either hating or loving him. But Naniwa there are still people who don't give a shit about you. I just wanted to see another ZvP of NesTea and I paid for it. So I really hope you drop off eSports for hurting it so much. Sounds like hate to me. I think NaNi's accusations that everyone either hates or loves him is, sure, a little conceited-- a little arrogant. But... with regards to all the controversy around NaNiWa, it seems like everyone who has anything to say is saying that they either still support and love NaNiWa or they hate and detest NaNiWa... so you can see how he would think that. | ||
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