EPTTo be slightly more on topic I could not care less if someone threw a game after losing a series.
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Alkro
Sweden88 Posts
To be slightly more on topic I could not care less if someone threw a game after losing a series. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:30 Lip the Pencilboy wrote: ahahah u nailed the point. serie A merda! Well, Koreans have another definition of the term, actually... since tehre, a lot of pro gamers have zero money income from it. In Korea, it have strickly nothing to do about money, and all to do about skills and passion. And this is a Korean article... remember that it was translated. Pro-Gamer don't really mean "someone winning money from it" so much for them. | ||
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skyrunner
371 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:26 poorcloud wrote: One is a random online tourney that wasn't even watched by that many viewers. The other is a televised event that is watched by tens and maybe even hundreds of thousands. That explains the difference in reaction. More people were watching and got pissed off directly. Does that mean its fair in principle? No. But its fucking fair that the person who fucked up in a way bigger tournament got more flak. nah that's not fair. "punishment" should be based up on what the "crime" was, not how many watched the crime. Besides this has become the topic nr 1 on all boards, if any situation got as much attention then just as many people would know about it. Alot of stuff that wasn't watched by alot of people have created big drama. People should be more sensible. I don't see the koreans spitting on stephano, who has done much worse stuff in competition. | ||
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Nakama
Germany584 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:06 Russano wrote: The absurd thing with these arguments, is that people are upset with HOW naniwa did something, not with WHAT he did. They are just pissy he didn't lie well enough to fool them, or that he put no effort into it. Which is fucking ridiculous. If thats ur opinion u didnt even get the arguments at all . There is a big difference between not giving ur best and probe rushing and this difference is substential. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:32 Xalorian wrote: Well, Koreans have another definition of the term, actually... since tehre, a lot of pro gamers have zero money income from it. In Korea, it have strickly nothing to do about money, and all to do about skills and passion. well just because the teams keep themselves some slaves and call them progamers as consolation doesnt really make it better. On December 14 2011 02:33 Nakama wrote: If thats ur opinion u didnt even get the arguments at all . There is a big difference between not giving ur best and probe rushing and this difference is substential. well I suppose then you didnt get what Nani wrote. | ||
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Snerren
Sweden58 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. I definetly agree that you should not show your hand or try your best tactics in games you don't have any reward in. But why not try something new, that you have been playing around with and just want to see how it would fair against a top player like nestea as a beta test so to speak? | ||
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Nillinch
Poland147 Posts
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Nakama
Germany584 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:22 frogrubdown wrote: I find it hard to feel angry at Naniwa; things like this just make me feel sorry for him. He clearly struggles to understand interactions and the socially appropriate things to do. Naniwa just wants so desperately to be liked (look back to his reaction to MLG Providence boos) and has no idea how to bring it about. He probably thought that everyone would think this was funny. What a depressing end to a painfully depressing group. Good luck, Naniwa. I couldn´t say it any better ! | ||
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4of8
Germany256 Posts
The reaction of the korean scene is ridiculous. End of story. | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:33 Nakama wrote: If thats ur opinion u didnt even get the arguments at all . There is a big difference between not giving ur best and probe rushing and this difference is substential. If you don't care about winning the match, it doesn't matter whether you probe rush or cannon rush. Sure one has a higher chance of winning the game, but when your objective isn't winning the game, it doesn't add any more weight to your choice. If he had cannon rushed or 4 gated, people would o gone oh well, guess he didn't really give a shit. People are just angry he didn't mask not giving a shit about them ENOUGH. | ||
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Gezaral
United States13 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:32 skyrunner wrote: nah that's not fair. "punishment" should be based up on what the "crime" was, not how many watched the crime. Besides this has become the topic nr 1 on all boards, if any situation got as much attention then just as many people would know about it. Alot of stuff that wasn't watched by alot of people have created big drama. People should be more sensible. I don't see the koreans spitting on stephano, who has done much worse stuff in competition. I'm not talking about punishments. Punishments should be based on crimes, i agree. I'm talking about the level of reactions, and unfortunately for naniwa, he chose the biggest stage to do something unprofessional (which many others have done). Understandably, he will get the biggest reaction, which is the shitstorm we see on TL and KR communities now. | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
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skyrunner
371 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:32 Xalorian wrote: Well, Koreans have another definition of the term, actually... since tehre, a lot of pro gamers have zero money income from it. In Korea, it have strickly nothing to do about money, and all to do about skills and passion. And this is a Korean article... remember that it was translated. Pro-Gamer don't really mean "someone winning money from it" so much for them. Actually they make a living playing the game, so yes they are progamers. And they do get some monetary gain for it, even if it isn't salary. Can't believe progamer mean anything different in korea. The concept of being a proffessional in any field or sport has to be the same all over the world. So if the term "progamer" doesn't mean the same in korea. Please tell me what does it mean? And when they say that naniwa isn't a progamer... OK, so what is he? It does't matter if he is not a progamer int their book, the world and naniwa will go on as before, just some koreans won't bestow some holy title on him. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:38 Gezaral wrote: The koreans hate him. I don't find it mature to insult a person like this just because he didn't want to play the last game against Nestea with reputation on the line when he just lost 3 in a row. Lol, a significant amount of posters in TL insult each other and players all the time without getting banned or anything. I think its unfortunate but there are trolls everywhere. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I dont understand, whats the big deal? People "throw games" all the time, didnt IdrA 6pool in a GSL game before? I might be mixing it up with another tournament, but one could even argue that nestea threw both his game vs MVP at blizzcon and his game vs HuK last time they met in Code S, infact it is far worse in that situation because he was far ahead and then lost for no real reason. Is it really worth all of this shit because one guy probe rushed another guy when they were both out of the tournament anyway and it would have no effect on rankings? Im sure you have a CHANCE to win probe rushing vs zerg because of shield regeneration and the slight rage advantage on the probe weapon (not sure if it was tested, but always felt that way) but overall my opinion doesnt really matter. Naniwa might have made a mistake in korean culture, but if so, and if he accepts it as that, it is just that, a small mistake. What the hell are people getting so upset about? Worse shit has happened, worse shit will happen, and its just a probe rush in a game that was completely irrelvant. | ||
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Drlemur
United States153 Posts
They sell tickets to people who want to be entertained by top SC2 players. I don't think they can afford to risk players not trying their best -- not being entertaining to the ticket holders. If you were a tourney organizer, I'm not sure you'd risk inviting a player like that to your tournament either. Very poor decision making on Naniwa's part. I hope somebody in his team gets the point home to him. He's going to need to start apologizing early and often. | ||
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:01 Mecker wrote: It is blatantly obvious that the korean reaction is based on pure racism towards foreigners. Compare their reaction to similar things (worse things) done by koreans. have you considered that peoples opinions on manners arent racism? just because they dont approve of something from a cultural point of view, doesn't mean that its racist. in fact, the fact that they are so shocked that he behaved badly means that they hadn't factored his different upbringing into the equation, which if anything makes them less racist i do think that everyone is overreacting, but i dont think its because naniwa is a foreigner. i think if a korean had done it it would have gone down as badly, but there would be less haters who just wanted to bash naniwa, and less fanboys who just think hes perfect, and so there wouldnt be the same amount of drama on TL | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:34 Snerren wrote: I definetly agree that you should not show your hand or try your best tactics in games you don't have any reward in. But why not try something new, that you have been playing around with and just want to see how it would fair against a top player like nestea as a beta test so to speak? Nobody is saying that was the best choice, everyone pretty much agrees he could of just done something else. He just didn't think it was that big of a deal, and it isn't, it shouldn't be. People are massively overrating the "chance" to get to play nestea. I know many people who'd shit their pants over the chance to play IdrA. I've played him quite a few times, so I really don't give a shit about the "opportunity" to play him. It's just a matter of perspective. Naniwa has been laddering in Korea for a long time now, he's probably gotten plenty of opportunities. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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