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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 06 2011 22:22 GMT
#161
op needs a few edits :D marine tank will never be a 13 minute mech push :D

to be honest what i found most startling of his game vs polt was just watching the production queue of scv production. polt obviously not a "macro terran" the same way mvp or bomber are considered to be. but when you watch the uptime of scv production between the 2, forgg was on a different level.

such a small thing but even at the top levels this shows people apart
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 06 2011 22:22 GMT
#162
I will wait until he can do something against MC, NesTea or MVP. We will see next Code S season probably!
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UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
December 06 2011 22:24 GMT
#163
Just watched his games against July, and all I said when I was watching his rine micro was "wow." I can't wait to see this guy tested against the Mvp/Nestea/MC's of the world. His micro is absolutely near perfect, and his multitasking is pretty much better than all but a few SC2 players (maybe).

This got me really excited to see more BW pros coming over. I am absolutely convinced now that in perhaps 12-18 months, we're going to have a top 10 with at least 7-8 former *High Level* BW pros. July, Boxer, Nestea, etc. are all amazing players in their own right, but I've never seen anything like what I've been watching fOrGG do and it makes me believe there's a ceiling "above the ceiling" if you get my meaning. It's almost like a level of SC2 we haven't even touched yet.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't smiling a bit just thinking about how cool this whole thing's going to be in a year or two.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 06 2011 22:27 GMT
#164
Hmm. I a huge supporter of the elephant in the room concepts, but I do believe this thread is a little out of place, if not premature.
Hopefully this gives the opposers some proof, but lets wait until next season before he is called the best player.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
December 06 2011 22:30 GMT
#165
On December 07 2011 07:27 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm. I a huge supporter of the elephant in the room concepts, but I do believe this thread is a little out of place, if not premature.
Hopefully this gives the opposers some proof, but lets wait until next season before he is called the best player.


i believe thats why OP used 'looks like'
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ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 22:31:55
December 06 2011 22:30 GMT
#166
On December 07 2011 07:12 akalarry wrote:
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On December 07 2011 07:11 ptrpb wrote:
To be fair he's beaten Sage who has been struggling a bit recently, Polt who is completing his last year of University so he has to split his time, and July who has been falling off recently as well.
I'm not trying to devalue Fin's wins but he hasn't had the hardest path to Code S and he hasn't faced anyone who can really test his merit.


so who has had the hardest path to code s?

In this season Parting has had a harder path to Code S with TOP, Clide, and Killer in my opinion, but like I said it doesn't really matter because he hasn't faced anyone who has tested his merit. He hasn't faced the strong representatives of Code S. Parting and Brown also made a pretty clean run through Code A, and Brown showed incredible form but no one talks about him because he wasn't relevant in BW.
All I'm saying is, hold off until the next Code S season before you make threads like this. People jump the gun so hard when it comes to new players.
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Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 06 2011 22:33 GMT
#167
On December 07 2011 07:30 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 07:12 akalarry wrote:
On December 07 2011 07:11 ptrpb wrote:
To be fair he's beaten Sage who has been struggling a bit recently, Polt who is completing his last year of University so he has to split his time, and July who has been falling off recently as well.
I'm not trying to devalue Fin's wins but he hasn't had the hardest path to Code S and he hasn't faced anyone who can really test his merit.


so who has had the hardest path to code s?

In this season Parting has had a harder path to Code S with TOP, Clide, and Killer in my opinion, but like I said it doesn't really matter because he hasn't faced anyone who has tested his merit. He hasn't faced the strong representatives of Code S. Parting and Brown also made a pretty clean run through Code A, and Brown showed incredible form but no one talks about him because he wasn't relevant in BW.
All I'm saying is, hold off until the next Code S season before you make threads like this. People jump the gun so hard when it comes to new players.

How in the hell is TOP, Clide, and Killer a harder path than Sage, Polt, and July...Hell even all those players(Clide top killer) are known for having awful vs Protoss so in fact it's an incredibly easy run through Code A.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 22:47:55
December 06 2011 22:41 GMT
#168
Wow, the OP makes it sounds like SC2 is like BW, at least when forgg plays it. I may actually have to check this guy out, I was a big fan of him in BW too. Time Attacker, fuck yeah

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Enearde
Profile Joined February 2011
France265 Posts
December 06 2011 22:46 GMT
#169
TOP and Killer are awesome players, Clide isn't that great.
Don't forget TOP is one of the best terran, some months ago, he was top 8 code S every season and is hugely underrated.
Killer did have some good run but isn't a top tier player.

Polt won a gsl once but didn't do anything this past few months.
Sage is overrated imo. Up and Coming but far from being "one of the best", i'ld say that Killer is more consistent and a well around player.
And July is in a very big slump. He never was that good in SC2, he has something but he's kind of metagamed every time so...people figured out his playstyle long ago and he never really did something about that.

So, playing TOP, Clide and Killer is kinda similar to playing Sage, Polt and July.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 00:57:23
December 06 2011 22:46 GMT
#170
Well balls. I was hoping that these BW guys didn't make everyone look like idiots but it seems they already are. Now I'm actually worried about the state of foreigners in SC2 if more of these monsters come over. Also I don't like that he plays Terran. Why can't he just revolutionize protoss?
EDIT: On second thought, I'm not sure if this razor's edge playstyle will work in SC2. I mean, SC2 isn't ironed out to the smallest minutia of play yet like BW is. Pretty sure once he gets figured out pros will just start blindsiding him.
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N1k0
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay1075 Posts
December 06 2011 22:48 GMT
#171
Plus he has some awesome legs
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inamorato
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States263 Posts
December 06 2011 22:48 GMT
#172
I appreciate the write up and his 3 game run is undeniable. Also the recognition of a good Brood War coming from a face whose never played the game or followed it earns my respect.

However some of the statements in this thread are just absurd. It is ANYTHING but easy to suggest that ForGG has the best Micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen, and is insulting to players who've accomplished much more than himself in terms of accomplishments, rewards, and respect.

You're analysis of the games are sub par at best. This isn't a personal attack it is more of me pointing out blasphemy. Again with fin dispalying the best Marine Marauder micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen. In game one vs Sage he proxy 2 gated all in. His micro was fantastic that's is irrefutable. However if you noticed some of the major factors in the game like the 3 hit point SCV finishing the bunker that was bar none, the game ending event. Mind you this is around 5 and a half minutes into the game meaning he is capable of having a max of 10 marines. 10 marine with scv buffer vs a teaspoon of zealots although good micro is nothing that Brood War or Star 2 have yet to witness. Game 2 he 4 rax starport off of 2 base and then threw down another 4 rax before even taking a third. Due to Sage not scouting he was obviously going to be behind in army count. If Sage had been more informed, prepared properly it would have gone 3 games. His storm micro was almost non existent.

As far as 13 minute Starcraft 2 law defying mech attack, well its anything but that. But he outplayed polt in game 1 with great banshee micro simultaneous non stop macro.

Games against July were sub par. Two words that I believe fit JulyZergs play as of recent. The unorthodox strategy in game one was keeping his opponent off balance by forcing him to make units while hard countering him, AFTER he already had done significant damage. Game 2 he saved the game by raising a supply depot. There's nothing amazing about that. He has a great sense of the game and his mechanics are very good.

Just don't jump the gun, he hasn't accomplished anything significant yet, and believe me I'm rooting for him. Although I'm impressed, I know that every one of his skills are matched, nullified, and surpassed by top tier players.

Overall, I like the passion included in your write up, but don't let emotion take priority over your intellect when it comes to a thread.
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Alexian
Profile Joined October 2010
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 22:51:31
December 06 2011 22:49 GMT
#173
I have to agree, I thought it was all hype, but his GSL match vs July was superior multitasking + micro compared to what I've mostly seen with other players.
Rikke
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 22:59:35
December 06 2011 22:59 GMT
#174
omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies!
nastyyy
Profile Joined December 2009
United States262 Posts
December 06 2011 23:01 GMT
#175
On December 07 2011 07:59 Rikke wrote:
omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies!


lol wut?
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Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
December 06 2011 23:02 GMT
#176
I love all the flashy and effective micro, the safe aggression, but what's really intriguing me about his early game is the commitment he makes to either attack or retreat. Hesitation can be costly, but he was just decisive. It's one of those hard to define qualities. Go back and watch the Open S2 Leenock/Clide game on Shakuras that everyone is so fond of. In the late game of that match, there were multiple points where Leenock could have won outright or Clide could have won outright, but they made half-assed engagements and did a lot of dancing around and hesitating despite having a clear advantage at the time. ForGG hasn't done that so far; granted it's only a sample size of 6 games, and I'm happy to see that.

As for whether or not he's going to be one of the best or fizzle out against tougher opponents, I'll take the same approach I do with everything else - wait and see. One thing I want to see is how that awesome micro translates against opponents who can hold off that early aggression and push him to the mid and late game and do it well. Sage isn't bad, but he's not quite cream of the crop either. He's shown great multitasking, his macro should be flawless, and if his micro looks half as impressive with a full army as it did vs July we're in for a big evolution in play. I also wouldn't mind it if he'd help to prove my theory on SC2's direction/mechanical skill ceiling being heavily micro oriented in the process.
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
December 06 2011 23:03 GMT
#177
On December 07 2011 07:48 inamorato wrote:
I appreciate the write up and his 3 game run is undeniable. Also the recognition of a good Brood War coming from a face whose never played the game or followed it earns my respect.

However some of the statements in this thread are just absurd. It is ANYTHING but easy to suggest that ForGG has the best Micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen, and is insulting to players who've accomplished much more than himself in terms of accomplishments, rewards, and respect.

You're analysis of the games are sub par at best. This isn't a personal attack it is more of me pointing out blasphemy. Again with fin dispalying the best Marine Marauder micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen. In game one vs Sage he proxy 2 gated all in. His micro was fantastic that's is irrefutable. However if you noticed some of the major factors in the game like the 3 hit point SCV finishing the bunker that was bar none, the game ending event. Mind you this is around 5 and a half minutes into the game meaning he is capable of having a max of 10 marines. 10 marine with scv buffer vs a teaspoon of zealots although good micro is nothing that Brood War or Star 2 have yet to witness. Game 2 he 4 rax starport off of 2 base and then threw down another 4 rax before even taking a third. Due to Sage not scouting he was obviously going to be behind in army count. If Sage had been more informed, prepared properly it would have gone 3 games. His storm micro was almost non existent.

As far as 13 minute Starcraft 2 law defying mech attack, well its anything but that. But he outplayed polt in game 1 with great banshee micro simultaneous non stop macro.

Games against July were sub par. Two words that I believe fit JulyZergs play as of recent. The unorthodox strategy in game one was keeping his opponent off balance by forcing him to make units while hard countering him, AFTER he already had done significant damage. Game 2 he saved the game by raising a supply depot. There's nothing amazing about that. He has a great sense of the game and his mechanics are very good.

Just don't jump the gun, he hasn't accomplished anything significant yet, and believe me I'm rooting for him. Although I'm impressed, I know that every one of his skills are matched, nullified, and surpassed by top tier players.

Overall, I like the passion included in your write up, but don't let emotion take priority over your intellect when it comes to a thread.



On December 07 2011 07:59 Rikke wrote:
omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies!


it's crazy how these both say the same thing, yet i'm inclined to agree with the top one and disagree with the bottom one.
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JL_GG
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada249 Posts
December 06 2011 23:05 GMT
#178
On December 07 2011 07:59 Rikke wrote:
omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies!

MSL champion bro?
He beat a golden mouse winner and super tournament champion
mediocore?
u ez them rofl?
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
December 06 2011 23:08 GMT
#179
On December 07 2011 08:05 JL_GG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 07:59 Rikke wrote:
omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies!

MSL champion bro?
He beat a golden mouse winner and super tournament champion
mediocore?
u ez them rofl?



They're all mid-tier players. July has been doing badly ever since his finals match. Sage was up and coming for a little while, but has failed to impress lately, and Polt, while easily among the best terrans three months ago, has been slumping lately.
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MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
December 06 2011 23:08 GMT
#180
I don't know if it was the builds he was using, but he actually looked weakest against sage of the 3 sets (still looked very strong). I'm going to go out on a limb and call TvP his weakest MU, fortunately he outclasses all the code S toss pretty handily except maybe MC. His macro looked very strong in all of these games, but I still think the one that stuck out the most was against Polt. I think it was actually impossible for the observer to keep up with what he was doing without just setting the camera to follow him and I'm not even sure everybody would enjoy the going back and forth.
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