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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
to be honest what i found most startling of his game vs polt was just watching the production queue of scv production. polt obviously not a "macro terran" the same way mvp or bomber are considered to be. but when you watch the uptime of scv production between the 2, forgg was on a different level. such a small thing but even at the top levels this shows people apart | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
This got me really excited to see more BW pros coming over. I am absolutely convinced now that in perhaps 12-18 months, we're going to have a top 10 with at least 7-8 former *High Level* BW pros. July, Boxer, Nestea, etc. are all amazing players in their own right, but I've never seen anything like what I've been watching fOrGG do and it makes me believe there's a ceiling "above the ceiling" if you get my meaning. It's almost like a level of SC2 we haven't even touched yet. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't smiling a bit just thinking about how cool this whole thing's going to be in a year or two. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Hopefully this gives the opposers some proof, but lets wait until next season before he is called the best player. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:27 1Eris1 wrote: Hmm. I a huge supporter of the elephant in the room concepts, but I do believe this thread is a little out of place, if not premature. Hopefully this gives the opposers some proof, but lets wait until next season before he is called the best player. i believe thats why OP used 'looks like'  | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:12 akalarry wrote: so who has had the hardest path to code s? In this season Parting has had a harder path to Code S with TOP, Clide, and Killer in my opinion, but like I said it doesn't really matter because he hasn't faced anyone who has tested his merit. He hasn't faced the strong representatives of Code S. Parting and Brown also made a pretty clean run through Code A, and Brown showed incredible form but no one talks about him because he wasn't relevant in BW. All I'm saying is, hold off until the next Code S season before you make threads like this. People jump the gun so hard when it comes to new players. | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:30 ptrpb wrote: In this season Parting has had a harder path to Code S with TOP, Clide, and Killer in my opinion, but like I said it doesn't really matter because he hasn't faced anyone who has tested his merit. He hasn't faced the strong representatives of Code S. Parting and Brown also made a pretty clean run through Code A, and Brown showed incredible form but no one talks about him because he wasn't relevant in BW. All I'm saying is, hold off until the next Code S season before you make threads like this. People jump the gun so hard when it comes to new players. How in the hell is TOP, Clide, and Killer a harder path than Sage, Polt, and July...Hell even all those players(Clide top killer) are known for having awful vs Protoss so in fact it's an incredibly easy run through Code A. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
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Enearde
France265 Posts
Don't forget TOP is one of the best terran, some months ago, he was top 8 code S every season and is hugely underrated. Killer did have some good run but isn't a top tier player. Polt won a gsl once but didn't do anything this past few months. Sage is overrated imo. Up and Coming but far from being "one of the best", i'ld say that Killer is more consistent and a well around player. And July is in a very big slump. He never was that good in SC2, he has something but he's kind of metagamed every time so...people figured out his playstyle long ago and he never really did something about that. So, playing TOP, Clide and Killer is kinda similar to playing Sage, Polt and July. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
EDIT: On second thought, I'm not sure if this razor's edge playstyle will work in SC2. I mean, SC2 isn't ironed out to the smallest minutia of play yet like BW is. Pretty sure once he gets figured out pros will just start blindsiding him. | ||
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N1k0
Uruguay1075 Posts
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
However some of the statements in this thread are just absurd. It is ANYTHING but easy to suggest that ForGG has the best Micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen, and is insulting to players who've accomplished much more than himself in terms of accomplishments, rewards, and respect. You're analysis of the games are sub par at best. This isn't a personal attack it is more of me pointing out blasphemy. Again with fin dispalying the best Marine Marauder micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen. In game one vs Sage he proxy 2 gated all in. His micro was fantastic that's is irrefutable. However if you noticed some of the major factors in the game like the 3 hit point SCV finishing the bunker that was bar none, the game ending event. Mind you this is around 5 and a half minutes into the game meaning he is capable of having a max of 10 marines. 10 marine with scv buffer vs a teaspoon of zealots although good micro is nothing that Brood War or Star 2 have yet to witness. Game 2 he 4 rax starport off of 2 base and then threw down another 4 rax before even taking a third. Due to Sage not scouting he was obviously going to be behind in army count. If Sage had been more informed, prepared properly it would have gone 3 games. His storm micro was almost non existent. As far as 13 minute Starcraft 2 law defying mech attack, well its anything but that. But he outplayed polt in game 1 with great banshee micro simultaneous non stop macro. Games against July were sub par. Two words that I believe fit JulyZergs play as of recent. The unorthodox strategy in game one was keeping his opponent off balance by forcing him to make units while hard countering him, AFTER he already had done significant damage. Game 2 he saved the game by raising a supply depot. There's nothing amazing about that. He has a great sense of the game and his mechanics are very good. Just don't jump the gun, he hasn't accomplished anything significant yet, and believe me I'm rooting for him. Although I'm impressed, I know that every one of his skills are matched, nullified, and surpassed by top tier players. Overall, I like the passion included in your write up, but don't let emotion take priority over your intellect when it comes to a thread. | ||
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Alexian
United States46 Posts
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
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nastyyy
United States262 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:59 Rikke wrote: omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies! lol wut? | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
As for whether or not he's going to be one of the best or fizzle out against tougher opponents, I'll take the same approach I do with everything else - wait and see. One thing I want to see is how that awesome micro translates against opponents who can hold off that early aggression and push him to the mid and late game and do it well. Sage isn't bad, but he's not quite cream of the crop either. He's shown great multitasking, his macro should be flawless, and if his micro looks half as impressive with a full army as it did vs July we're in for a big evolution in play. I also wouldn't mind it if he'd help to prove my theory on SC2's direction/mechanical skill ceiling being heavily micro oriented in the process. | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:48 inamorato wrote: I appreciate the write up and his 3 game run is undeniable. Also the recognition of a good Brood War coming from a face whose never played the game or followed it earns my respect. However some of the statements in this thread are just absurd. It is ANYTHING but easy to suggest that ForGG has the best Micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen, and is insulting to players who've accomplished much more than himself in terms of accomplishments, rewards, and respect. You're analysis of the games are sub par at best. This isn't a personal attack it is more of me pointing out blasphemy. Again with fin dispalying the best Marine Marauder micro Starcraft 2 has ever seen. In game one vs Sage he proxy 2 gated all in. His micro was fantastic that's is irrefutable. However if you noticed some of the major factors in the game like the 3 hit point SCV finishing the bunker that was bar none, the game ending event. Mind you this is around 5 and a half minutes into the game meaning he is capable of having a max of 10 marines. 10 marine with scv buffer vs a teaspoon of zealots although good micro is nothing that Brood War or Star 2 have yet to witness. Game 2 he 4 rax starport off of 2 base and then threw down another 4 rax before even taking a third. Due to Sage not scouting he was obviously going to be behind in army count. If Sage had been more informed, prepared properly it would have gone 3 games. His storm micro was almost non existent. As far as 13 minute Starcraft 2 law defying mech attack, well its anything but that. But he outplayed polt in game 1 with great banshee micro simultaneous non stop macro. Games against July were sub par. Two words that I believe fit JulyZergs play as of recent. The unorthodox strategy in game one was keeping his opponent off balance by forcing him to make units while hard countering him, AFTER he already had done significant damage. Game 2 he saved the game by raising a supply depot. There's nothing amazing about that. He has a great sense of the game and his mechanics are very good. Just don't jump the gun, he hasn't accomplished anything significant yet, and believe me I'm rooting for him. Although I'm impressed, I know that every one of his skills are matched, nullified, and surpassed by top tier players. Overall, I like the passion included in your write up, but don't let emotion take priority over your intellect when it comes to a thread. On December 07 2011 07:59 Rikke wrote: omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies! it's crazy how these both say the same thing, yet i'm inclined to agree with the top one and disagree with the bottom one. | ||
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JL_GG
Canada249 Posts
On December 07 2011 07:59 Rikke wrote: omg OVERRATED! This guy has won like 3 games vs mediocre players, stop the hype kiddies! MSL champion bro? He beat a golden mouse winner and super tournament champion mediocore? u ez them rofl? | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
On December 07 2011 08:05 JL_GG wrote: MSL champion bro? He beat a golden mouse winner and super tournament champion mediocore? u ez them rofl? They're all mid-tier players. July has been doing badly ever since his finals match. Sage was up and coming for a little while, but has failed to impress lately, and Polt, while easily among the best terrans three months ago, has been slumping lately. | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
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