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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 06 2011 21:53 GMT
#141
From someone with no big BW background, fOrGG does look really good. But I'm not convinced he's the next big thing. Every new good player has looked like a beast in Code A - look at Puzzle. He dominated everyone through Code A and everyone expected him to do well in Code S, but Code S is a different beast, and he barely survived. Look at Curious - 4-0ed Oz in the finals of Code A and got thrown straight out of Code S.

From what I've seen, his micro is really, really good, but his opponents have looked to be a canvas for the artist fOrGG to paint. July just... isn't that good any more, from the looks of his recent play. He definitely looks to be Code S material, without a doubt, from his play so far, but without any BW bias his play looks standard, but better. Not magical, like Fruitdealer did originally, or like MC in his first 2 wins, or MVP vs Leenock Game 2.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 06 2011 21:54 GMT
#142
On December 07 2011 06:42 hp.Shell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 06:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On December 07 2011 06:31 hp.Shell wrote:
I expect ForGG to win 3 GSLs in a row with no losses. He is capable of forcing mistakes out of his opponent through sheer multitask superiority. Once the first mistakes have been made, only the best and most seasoned veterans of the game will be able to hold together. Everyone else just crumbles, giving ForGG more and more advantages as he picks apart the mistakes as they grow exponentially. This is a guy that would crush MVP or NesTea easily through sheer micro. I'm not going to do a major writeup on him yet but I think you get my point.


I sincerely hope this is 80% sarcasm. Though I expect ForGG to continue smashing nerds left and right I don't see him winning a gsl let alone 3 for at least another couple of seasons! His skill and potential are great but you need more then that to take down MVP in TvT. Right now he has done and impressive job of smashing though up and coming top tier/in a slump top tier players. I am really excited to see what he can bring next GSL against the best of the best!

He can win just by multitasking and harassing appropriately. It doesn't really matter if his unit composition isn't perfect. What matters is how continual his harassment is. I look forward to his first match with MVP. I expect him to win every single game, and if he doesn't it will come as a shock.

.... That's wishful thinking. Not even MVP can continuously dominate over players he's much, much better than.
ThePurist
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada686 Posts
December 06 2011 21:55 GMT
#143
I've had my fair share of BW and I still don't expect "Fin" to wtfstomp everybody. The dude who said he's going to win 3 GSLs with no losses is dreaming lol
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
December 06 2011 21:56 GMT
#144
On December 07 2011 06:48 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
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On December 07 2011 06:43 FILM wrote:
The only thing that troubled me was his multi-tasking. I feel like his micro against July in game 2 with the marines was more error on July's part than anything, but more importantly he was floating 500-600 minerals on 1 base during that whole time. Sure, if it's doing as much damage as it did more power to him but his transition was a little bit awkward. His game 1 was pretty fantastic, although I think the major flaw again was on July's part as you see him making 14 zerglings after his roach/ling bust was finished.

Exciting player nonetheless, looking forward to see how he does in the long run.

Youre troubled by the multi tasking of a former Brood War champion? I can assure that if anything his multitasking is his strength not a weakness.

After seeing is BW play I can say multitasking is not his strength.


"The way I play is to create a pattern where I have an advantage, and then crush my opponents with momentum. That way my opponent can’t play with 100% of his skill. That’s why I think mind-games are more important than skill."
- iloveoov

Its the reason he had success in BW and it is also why he stop being successful in BW. Strategic play is the overall superior play style. I don't think he will be more than a high level korean.
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WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
December 06 2011 22:01 GMT
#145
hes soo good
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 06 2011 22:08 GMT
#146
On December 07 2011 06:52 ThePurist wrote:
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On December 07 2011 06:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 07 2011 06:30 ThePurist wrote:
On December 07 2011 06:13 hmunkey wrote:
On December 07 2011 06:05 Esk23 wrote:
Fin is good but he'll lose once he meets MVP.

MVP's TvT is untouchable at the moment when he's on his game.

Yeah but MVP was also good at BW so it's ok. :D


Not really lol MVP got wtfowned by Nada that should've made him uninstall and quit. But oh how the tables have turned..

is there a vod of this? I want to see it


1. Youtube
2. MVP vs Nada
3. Here you go:



I'm sure there are more lol MVP was a nobody compared to Nada


im pretty sure MVP would have raped Nada in 2010.
Kireak
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden358 Posts
December 06 2011 22:09 GMT
#147
This is with most people you watch even at the highest level you think "why didnt he do this?" Like the op mentioned in the example of marines killing stuff for free even though they were on very low health, or how he utilizes his hellions in a much bolder way then most, but still in a controlled way.
He doesnt seem to suffer from a predetermined mindset of what each unit is capable of doing
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 06 2011 22:09 GMT
#148
I'm happy hes getting the exposure he needs, cause hes been an amazing player for quite some time now
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JLew
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada353 Posts
December 06 2011 22:10 GMT
#149
His play is impressive but saying he has the best micro ever witnessed in SC2 at this point is a little ridiculous..especially considering you are referring to marine/mareuder kiting..
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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 22:12:53
December 06 2011 22:11 GMT
#150
His ID was Never_V for a long time before retiring.

No offense to SC2 fans here, but he could keep his money that low in a game where macro was much harder, so it's not surprising. Nor is his micro considering the shitty AI BW has.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 06 2011 22:11 GMT
#151
To be fair he's beaten Sage who has been struggling a bit recently, Polt who is completing his last year of University so he has to split his time, and July who has been falling off recently as well.
I'm not trying to devalue Fin's wins but he hasn't had the hardest path to Code S and he hasn't faced anyone who can really test his merit.
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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
December 06 2011 22:12 GMT
#152
Hey, good read and analysis. I really look forward to when he hits the current top players ^^
Logic is Overrated
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
December 06 2011 22:12 GMT
#153
On December 07 2011 07:11 ptrpb wrote:
To be fair he's beaten Sage who has been struggling a bit recently, Polt who is completing his last year of University so he has to split his time, and July who has been falling off recently as well.
I'm not trying to devalue Fin's wins but he hasn't had the hardest path to Code S and he hasn't faced anyone who can really test his merit.


so who has had the hardest path to code s?
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
December 06 2011 22:13 GMT
#154
On December 07 2011 05:44 JustPassingBy wrote:
the weirdest thing is, I have no clue how he god this good. in the esv weekly, he didn't look nearly as awesome as he did in the gsl. must be the incredible ability to focus on a single opponent and practise hardcore for the upcoming set?


Specific prep + more time practicing with oGs. Earlier in the ESV, it seemed like a lot of his builds were less refined. Laddering isn't comparable to custom game practice.
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3341 Posts
December 06 2011 22:14 GMT
#155
July was the last month I paid to watch GSL, but I've re-subscribed because of Forgg just to see his code A games and I'm going to pay for GSL Decemeber too because I want to see how he does in Code S
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
December 06 2011 22:15 GMT
#156
On December 07 2011 06:19 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
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On December 07 2011 05:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:44 Zoler wrote:
People don't understand. ForGG is the best one to switch now.

Before this there wasn't a close to good ex-bw progamer playing SC2. Nada, Nestea and Boxer, they were all nothing.

By best one to switch now, I hope you mean the one in best form when he switched. Because I'm fairly certain we've already had a few BW banjos in SC2 for a while.


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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 06 2011 22:15 GMT
#157
On December 07 2011 07:09 Kireak wrote:
This is with most people you watch even at the highest level you think "why didnt he do this?" Like the op mentioned in the example of marines killing stuff for free even though they were on very low health, or how he utilizes his hellions in a much bolder way then most, but still in a controlled way.
He doesnt seem to suffer from a predetermined mindset of what each unit is capable of doing


Actually, I might be nitpicking but I DID get that "why didnt he do this" feel.

Not spoilering here because if you come to a thread about fOrGG being amazing without having watched his most recent games then you deserve whatever spoilers you get:

vs July, he had just done a ton of damage with the 2rax, and while he was microing quite well, he had >500 minerals for a substantial part of that engagement. I feel like it was REALLY well microed, but partly did too much damage because July played it badly, and partly because he didn't focus on his macro AT ALL. Like, he produced Marines but didn't make Depots or the CC during the fight.

When he put down the CC, he'd been at >500 minerals for a while and probably could have got away with putting it down far quicker. And it looked like July's desperation Baneling bust caught him off guard, which was pretty surprising given how much damage he'd done and that... it was July.

Still really good, but I'm not willing to give him quite the level of praise he has recieved in the thread.
Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
December 06 2011 22:17 GMT
#158
When you win an MSL by taking out both Flash and Jaedong in best of 5s and only losing 1 game between the two it's not exactly surprising that you're a monstrous rapefiend of a player.

I'll be keeping my eye on him.
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 22:22:28
December 06 2011 22:20 GMT
#159
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 06 2011 22:22 GMT
#160
On December 07 2011 05:52 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:49 Noocta wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:32 papaz wrote:
I posted this in LR thread of today but it deserves also to be here. fOrGG FIGHTING!

[image loading]


Sorry for the stupid question, but what is he holding ?


Code S medallion.


Didn't even know there is such a thing.
My first guess was like the MSL trophy. x)
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