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HardMacro
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada361 Posts
December 07 2011 20:24 GMT
#361
On December 07 2011 15:57 Zanno wrote:
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On December 07 2011 12:36 Lavi wrote:
It's a good point but multitasking actually has a hard ceiling in sc2 because of how hard it is to defend and the strength of deathballs....for example once enemy deathball gets too powerful its really hard to break off more then a few unit and that limits the multitasking because you'll get ran over and die... and if you "multitask in 4 places at once" you're basically doing a base trade if the opponent has a deathball...
that's really unfair, mostly because what you're qqing about exists in brood war anyway

oh no the terran got his unstoppable 200/200 mech deathball i lose
hooray i have my unstoppable 200/200 carrier deathball i win

is this a gross oversimplication? yes it is, but so is your assessment of sc2


3 points that validates the previous poster's argument and invalidates yours.


1. Maps are quite a bit larger in BW than SC2, thus reducing the inherent strength of deathballs.

2. Sure, the 200/200 BW mech army was undoubtedly a deathball, but it was only a deathball if the tanks are sieged, meaning the immobility of mech takes 3-5x the normal amount time to cross the map, where the player has to constantly lay mines, siege/resiege tanks, and make turrets. Not even comparable to all the highly mobile deathballs found with all races in SC2.

3. "Deathballs" in BW took about 3 years longer to make than in SC2. Sure, 200/200 carrier/templar/dragoon is cost effective vs. Terran mech and usually wins the game for the toss, but if the toss ever gets to that point then the Terran probably deserved to lose, save for a few very carrier-friendly maps (most games feature the toss buying time for critical carrier mass, barely surviving pre-carrier terran agression). Same concept really as to carriers in SC2; your terran opponent deserves to lose if he lets you mass up 200/200 carriers/templars/colossi.
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oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
December 07 2011 20:37 GMT
#362
He looked good... but let's be real. Polt/July are the old school who haven't kept up with the game. Sage is decent, but extremely overhyped because of Tastosis. Let's see him against Nestea/Mvp/jjaki/Leenok.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 07 2011 20:42 GMT
#363
On December 08 2011 05:37 oxxo wrote:
He looked good... but let's be real. Polt/July are the old school who haven't kept up with the game. Sage is decent, but extremely overhyped because of Tastosis. Let's see him against Nestea/Mvp/jjaki/Leenok.

You're going to eat your words in 2012 when Polt comes back in beast mode.

Also, I'm not sure how qualified your opinion is when it comes to the GSL, seeing as you can't even spell either finalist's name correctly.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 07 2011 20:45 GMT
#364
On December 07 2011 05:14 Zinjil wrote:
I feel like fin has a different mindset than most of the other BW pros that have switched over so far, in that he's taking sc2 as seriously as possible and fully applying himself to the game. His peak skill level in brood war was in 2008, when he won his MSL, around the same time July won his golden mouse, but the difference between their levels of motivation is palpable. Fruitdealer won a GSL and has been resting on his laurels since then, nada's attention is being shared between starcraft, school, and his new business venture, and boxer has admitted that the only time he's truly felt the same level of motivation to succeed as in sc1 is in front of foreign crowds. His name change away from ForGG seems to have meant something more to fin, and he is effectively a brand new player with the skillset and knowledge of a champion already inside of him, but the drive and ambition of a newly-recruited no-name. I'm fairly sure this mix of attributes is going to serve him extremely well.


You are off-base here, ForGG won his first title in 2008, July won his last then... big difference there. ForGG is still in his prime, age-wise, he just got complacent in BW and other new players proved to be more ambitious and skilled. In July's case, it was clear afterwards that he burnt all his bullets to obtain his golden mouse.. after that, he never was the same player and kept deteriorating.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 07 2011 20:50 GMT
#365
On December 07 2011 16:26 mrtomjones wrote:

From what I have seen of Forgg he is better than some code S players and looked worse than some. The blind BW people saying he is better than MVP apparently missed his games in the weekly.

Forgg is NOT better than MVP at this point. Hype is ridiculous on these forums.


From what I see, you are butthurt that ForGG, being an ex pro BW player, made his opponents look like bronze level noobies.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 20:52:18
December 07 2011 20:51 GMT
#366
People don't even know what it means to be an A Teamer let alone a Starleaguer lol. I recommend people to watch Artosis' scforall vid and Nal_ra's oldboy series. Nal_Ra is someone who lost to Puma in the 1st round of OSL qualifiers after 3 months of practice, and Puma didn't even qualify to that OSL afterall. ForGG was someone who got into Round of 8 in the overall Korean Air OSL before retiring lol ( think he lost to the eventual champion Effort as well)

Not to mention that he was like Flash's righ-hand man in KTF who practiced with Flash 24/7, do you seriously think he'll drop games to the likes of Polt? lol.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
December 07 2011 20:51 GMT
#367
Is he against Nestea next? If he is that should be interesting
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 07 2011 20:53 GMT
#368
On December 08 2011 05:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Is he against Nestea next? If he is that should be interesting

Code A is done for the season, He will be in Code S next season. Code A no longer plays out to a single winner, but instead to the 12 Code A players that get direct Code S seeds in the next season.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
December 07 2011 20:55 GMT
#369
On December 08 2011 05:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Is he against Nestea next? If he is that should be interesting


During the post-game interview of ForGG. Forgg said Nestea said he will pick him in the next Code S groupstages jokingly lol...they're former teamates in KTF
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
December 07 2011 20:59 GMT
#370
He has had the most difficult run through code A out of everyone this season and none of the games were particularly close. He obviously hasn't had a chance to prove himself vs the tip top best, and hasn't shown a 'pure macro game', but he has done perfectly so far and has certainly blown me away with his technical builds. Sage, Polt and July are no slouches, no matter how you look at it.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 21:05:02
December 07 2011 21:04 GMT
#371
On December 08 2011 05:59 Micket wrote:
He has had the most difficult run through code A out of everyone this season and none of the games were particularly close. He obviously hasn't had a chance to prove himself vs the tip top best, and hasn't shown a 'pure macro game', but he has done perfectly so far and has certainly blown me away with his technical builds. Sage, Polt and July are no slouches, no matter how you look at it.


People always say players "all-in" or cheese when the loser couldn't survive the first wave of attack. Jinro has repeatedly said MC had great macro but it's just that people couldn't survive to the macro phase when they play against MC. It's the same for a D- player calling Jaedong a "2 hatch muta all-inner" after getting raped by a 2 hatch muta build by Jaedong.

Playing passive doesn't mean macro, but macroing while doing multiprong attacks+attacks and distributing resources efficiently is the true definition of macro skills.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
December 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#372
On December 08 2011 06:04 ppshchik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 05:59 Micket wrote:
He has had the most difficult run through code A out of everyone this season and none of the games were particularly close. He obviously hasn't had a chance to prove himself vs the tip top best, and hasn't shown a 'pure macro game', but he has done perfectly so far and has certainly blown me away with his technical builds. Sage, Polt and July are no slouches, no matter how you look at it.


People always say players "all-in" or cheese when the loser couldn't survive the first wave of attack. Jinro has repeatedly said MC had great macro but it's just that people couldn't survive to the macro phase when they play against MC. It's the same for a D- player calling Jaedong a "2 hatch muta all-inner" after getting raped by a 2 hatch muta build by Jaedong.

Playing passive doesn't mean macro, but macroing while doing multiprong attacks+attacks and distributing resources efficiently is the true definition of macro skills.

I have to say I agree. Under most people's definitions, the new reaper builds in TvT are 'all in', because you make a delayed cc and you get rax, tech lab, reapers, reaper speed, fact, hellions, port and medivac all on 1 base. But in TvT, it is really hard to get the CC in the natural and defend 1 base stuff, which is why banshee expand is also not an all in. Lots of players take a tech advantage over double scv production and double mules (which often have to be scan anyway).
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
December 07 2011 21:11 GMT
#373
On December 07 2011 05:00 HaXXspetten wrote:
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On December 07 2011 04:58 Brosy wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:55 Grend wrote:
Can't we just call him ForGG? Fin is just confusing :-)


I agree. Even when I see the brackets and see Fin, I think ForGG. He should change his name back :D. I bet he'll be picked in the last round of selections for code S next season.

Don't think anyone thinks of him as Fin rather than ForGG.


MC will pick him.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
December 07 2011 21:14 GMT
#374
On December 07 2011 04:58 xSixGeneralHan wrote:
He's been playing for over 6 months in KR top 20 gm, this isn't something insane.


Dominating competition immediately after joining the fight is actually pretty insane, but it has nothing to do with the fact that he hasn't played for as long. He's played a ton, and more than enough to be one of the best. Much longer than 6 months.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
December 07 2011 21:16 GMT
#375
Yeah man watched his games.

That guy is sick!

Such clutch micro, and he macros great while at it!
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
December 07 2011 21:20 GMT
#376
No doubt he showed an extremely high skill level for the amount of times he has been playing.

People not believing ex-BWers are going to come in and dominate are wrong.

I'm looking forward to it, there is still ALOT of room to elevate play in SC2
rawrss
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada29 Posts
December 07 2011 21:24 GMT
#377
I just saw this on youtube, give it a look if you didn't get a chance to see his match vs. July




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Trololol
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden40 Posts
December 07 2011 21:35 GMT
#378
On December 08 2011 05:51 ppshchik wrote:
People don't even know what it means to be an A Teamer let alone a Starleaguer lol. I recommend people to watch Artosis' scforall vid and Nal_ra's oldboy series. Nal_Ra is someone who lost to Puma in the 1st round of OSL qualifiers after 3 months of practice, and Puma didn't even qualify to that OSL afterall. ForGG was someone who got into Round of 8 in the overall Korean Air OSL before retiring lol ( think he lost to the eventual champion Effort as well)

Not to mention that he was like Flash's righ-hand man in KTF who practiced with Flash 24/7, do you seriously think he'll drop games to the likes of Polt? lol.


This is quite funny and ironic seeing as how it's common knowledge that Puma was a practice bonjwa (stupid term, really) and was a preferred practice partner of guess who..... Flash.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 21:44:01
December 07 2011 21:40 GMT
#379
On December 07 2011 05:29 disciple wrote:
the most natural thing for him to do, given his BW career, is to smash everyone in code S, including MVP and Nestea with some 3-0s, win the whole thing with ez and achieve nothing afterwards.

LOL DISCIPLE

I love this. <3 <3

THIS POST NEEDS MORE LOVE... but none of the SC2ers understand this reference =(

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ForGG rocked the BW world many years ago by tearing through the MSL and somehow destroying Jaedong in the MSL finals with a 3-0 beatdown, and then never got even close to that level again.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 07 2011 21:48 GMT
#380
On December 08 2011 06:35 Trololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 05:51 ppshchik wrote:
People don't even know what it means to be an A Teamer let alone a Starleaguer lol. I recommend people to watch Artosis' scforall vid and Nal_ra's oldboy series. Nal_Ra is someone who lost to Puma in the 1st round of OSL qualifiers after 3 months of practice, and Puma didn't even qualify to that OSL afterall. ForGG was someone who got into Round of 8 in the overall Korean Air OSL before retiring lol ( think he lost to the eventual champion Effort as well)

Not to mention that he was like Flash's righ-hand man in KTF who practiced with Flash 24/7, do you seriously think he'll drop games to the likes of Polt? lol.


This is quite funny and ironic seeing as how it's common knowledge that Puma was a practice bonjwa (stupid term, really) and was a preferred practice partner of guess who..... Flash.


Someone doesn't know what ironic means.. Puma is doing well for himself in SC2, but ForGG was a much better player than Puma back in BW and apparently is becoming a much better SC2 player as well.
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