EPTWhy Fin looks like one of the best in sc2 already - Page 18
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:24 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Also, guys, I don't want to sound nitpicky, but his macro was slipping in some of the games I saw. Not terribly, but he was definitely focusing on the micro to the exclusion of the macro (since he won, was obviously the right choice). He floated minerals a bit in both games I saw. Still, he's friggin awesome though. Yah he had 1-2k minerals when he was playing against Polt. I think this hype is along the lines of Stephano but Forgg has people from BW wanting him to beat everyone nonBW who will hype him like crazy. Forgg has showed some cool builds but the things he has done so far are things that other top players can do too. He has also yet to beat one of the people who have been on fire lately from any race.(OZ,MC, Hero, Nestea,Leenock, MVP, Jikaji, MMA) Sage- Hasn't done anything in ages. Never really did too much Polt- Hasn't had a repeat of the first tournament playing since then. I saw these games and he handled a simple banshee very poorly and lost the game with that. July- Has been on a bit of a downer lately. Lost to a simple bunker rush? Does anyone really think Nestea/Leenock/DRG would have let the bunker complete? Again. I think he looks good but until he shows results this whole "every BW player currently playing will be better than every non BW player" stuff is just ridiculous. Many of the top sc2 players have very good control and many of them have a very high level of dedication. I would fully expect every BW player to be good at sc2. I would not expect every single one to be on the same level they were on before. Some might be better and some worse(SHOCKINGLY worse than the current sc2 players). From what I have seen of Forgg he is better than some code S players and looked worse than some. The blind BW people saying he is better than MVP apparently missed his games in the weekly. Forgg is NOT better than MVP at this point. Hype is ridiculous on these forums. | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On December 07 2011 16:26 mrtomjones wrote: Yah he had 1-2k minerals when he was playing against Polt. I think this hype is along the lines of Stephano but Forgg has people from BW wanting him to beat everyone nonBW who will hype him like crazy. Forgg has showed some cool builds but the things he has done so far are things that other top players can do too. He has also yet to beat one of the people who have been on fire lately from any race.(OZ,MC, Hero, Nestea,Leenock, MVP, Jikaji, MMA) Sage- Hasn't done anything in ages. Never really did too much Polt- Hasn't had a repeat of the first tournament playing since then. I saw these games and he handled a simple banshee very poorly and lost the game with that. July- Has been on a bit of a downer lately. Lost to a simple bunker rush? Does anyone really think Nestea/Leenock/DRG would have let the bunker complete? Again. I think he looks good but until he shows results this whole "every BW player currently playing will be better than every non BW player" stuff is just ridiculous. Many of the top sc2 players have very good control and many of them have a very high level of dedication. I would fully expect every BW player to be good at sc2. I would not expect every single one to be on the same level they were on before. Some might be better and some worse(SHOCKINGLY worse than the current sc2 players). From what I have seen of Forgg he is better than some code S players and looked worse than some. The blind BW people saying he is better than MVP apparently missed his games in the weekly. Forgg is NOT better than MVP at this point. Hype is ridiculous on these forums. He had 0 gas. When you play mech, you will float minerals. Float gas when you go bio. That's normal. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Btw, it was flash. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 07 2011 16:45 rysecake wrote: He had 0 gas. When you play mech, you will float minerals. Float gas when you go bio. That's normal. He wasn't maxed, hellions cost no gas to make and are part of mech, and he had gas floating too. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On December 07 2011 16:18 StarStruck wrote: That's the thing: I wouldn't because there are several players who have stepped up and are on pace to take their game to the next level. I don't pick bests. I pickup match-ups. I'll play along by picking a match-up. You asked for one guy, so I'll give you one. I've always been one of the loudest critics of JangBi. After all his struggles and 2nd place finishes he finally won an OSL. He deserves a pat on the back. Furthermore, JangBi has already gotten off to a great start in PL against Light. No hang over. If Flash were to play another Bo5 against JangBi right now on the current maps. I'd go with JangBi. Flash hasn't really been tested yet after the surgery; all his games have been walkovers thus far and JangBi's PvT is looking stronger than ever. - Does this mean that I think JangBi is the best player? Absolutely not. I don't think in terms of absolutes. What it does mean is this: I think JangBi's PvT would be too much for Flash to handle right now. I have seen no proof from Flash to think otherwise. On the 9th sk proleague KT v SKT1 , we will see how flash deals with skt1 protoss line up and I am sure he will not disappoint you. | ||
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WigglingSquid
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On December 07 2011 20:48 Sawamura wrote: On the 9th sk proleague KT v SKT1 , we will see how flash deals with skt1 protoss line up and I am sure he will not disappoint you. Who cares, his team will lose anyway. Either way, ForGG has interesting builds but he is probably overhyped, as are many other players, on the other hand, so far he has been living up to that hype, so we will see if he manages to get a code A win straight away. all we can do is wait, wait and see. | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
On December 07 2011 16:18 StarStruck wrote: That's the thing: I wouldn't because there are several players who have stepped up and are on pace to take their game to the next level. I don't pick bests. I pickup match-ups. I'll play along by picking a match-up. You asked for one guy, so I'll give you one. I've always been one of the loudest critics of JangBi. After all his struggles and 2nd place finishes he finally won an OSL. He deserves a pat on the back. Furthermore, JangBi has already gotten off to a great start in PL against Light. No hang over. If Flash were to play another Bo5 against JangBi right now on the current maps. I'd go with JangBi. Flash hasn't really been tested yet after the surgery; all his games have been walkovers thus far and JangBi's PvT is looking stronger than ever. - Does this mean that I think JangBi is the best player? Absolutely not. I don't think in terms of absolutes. What it does mean is this: I think JangBi's PvT would be too much for Flash to handle right now. I have seen no proof from Flash to think otherwise. I don't know about that...I think it was more that Jangbi had a lot of favourable circumstances that allowed him to beat Flash. For one, he had an entire month where all he had to do was practice vs Flash after his game vs Baby. Flash had about 1 week to practice against Jangbi after the grand finals. I'm pretty sure he went all out for the grand finals and he played/practised for it in pain because of his arm. I'm not saying that Jangbi didn't deserve the win but that Flash isn't a robot and you really can't compare the two equally under such circumstances. I'm not sure if Flash is back in form though either after his surgery. He had to take a lot of time off because of it. Hopefully it won't take him too long to get back into the groove. | ||
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
He played against HuK on stream like 4month ago... | ||
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Piege
United Kingdom128 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On December 07 2011 22:46 Rikke wrote: He played against HuK on stream like 4month ago... You seem to not understand that there is a difference between ladder and team-house training. The first he has been doing for 8+ months. The second of which he has been doing for 2. | ||
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zokj
Canada136 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On December 07 2011 04:54 gogogadgetflow wrote: "The way I play is to create a pattern where I have an advantage, and then crush my opponents with momentum. That way my opponent can’t play with 100% of his skill. That’s why I think mind-games are more important than skill." -  iloveoovI'd describe his play as being more tactic-centric as compared to strategy-centric than we have been seeing from top players since beta Sexy, ilove iloveoov. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 07 2011 22:46 Rikke wrote: He played against HuK on stream like 4month ago... ...playing hardcore for 10+ months... ...is not equal to playing on ladder (10+ months as well). I'm not saying he have or haven't but that isn't proof of anything. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany674 Posts
On December 07 2011 16:26 mrtomjones wrote: Yah he had 1-2k minerals when he was playing against Polt. I think this hype is along the lines of Stephano but Forgg has people from BW wanting him to beat everyone nonBW who will hype him like crazy. Forgg has showed some cool builds but the things he has done so far are things that other top players can do too. He has also yet to beat one of the people who have been on fire lately from any race.(OZ,MC, Hero, Nestea,Leenock, MVP, Jikaji, MMA) From what I have seen of Forgg he is better than some code S players and looked worse than some. The blind BW people saying he is better than MVP apparently missed his games in the weekly. Forgg is NOT better than MVP at this point. Hype is ridiculous on these forums. give the guy a break, he is playing seriously (team house etc.) for 2 months now, he's playing the game itself or 10months now. i believe in mid 2012 he can show his true skill and i'm pretty sure he will be better than mvp | ||
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OrD
United States28 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 08 2011 01:07 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: give the guy a break, he is playing seriously (team house etc.) for 2 months now, he's playing the game itself or 10months now. i believe in mid 2012 he can show his true skill and i'm pretty sure he will be better than mvp Give him a break? I'm not the one of those people saying he is already the best player in sc2. Many people have already been saying that. The opposite viewpoint needs to be voiced or the crazies will think that they are the only ones with opinions. | ||
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