EPTIt's probably much harder to read this player, for now. Regardless, I think Fin does show a ton of potential and he's also playing the race with the biggest and most varied toolbox.
Why Fin looks like one of the best in sc2 already - Page 17
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
It's probably much harder to read this player, for now. Regardless, I think Fin does show a ton of potential and he's also playing the race with the biggest and most varied toolbox. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:19 StarStruck wrote: Seems like I hit a note with some peeps, oh my! Again, if you want to continue this conversation please bring it up in another thread in the BW. I will gladly talk about it more there. I have been following both scenes since the beginning, so I have a pretty darn good idea of what's happening. I'll discuss this in any LR/BW thread, but this isn't the place for discussing why Flash shouldn't be considered the very best player no matter the game right now. If your that sure, why dont you open up a blog like Rekrul has before and put your money where your mouth is. Tell us what players you'll take to get further than Flash in the next OSL. Flash vs. Jangbi Flash vs. Effort /Bisu/Dong/Random player E I'm the biggest KT hater around, but at least I respect the guy. Put a few grand on it if your That sure, it will at least be an extra entertaining OSL. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:23 StarStruck wrote: What? Effort humiliated Iris by building around 35 queens. -_- Are you being biased? Flash went up against Hoon and had many, many holes that JangBi would have pounced on. Hoon did practically nothing in that game to pressure Flash at all; not to mention the poor unit composition. IT WAS A COMPLETE WALKOVER! Jesus, we had this discussion in the LR. Something tells me you weren't active in the LR thread as that match went on. Like I said, earlier take this to the LR thread. At least read what was said prior before you try to sell me that pack of worms. If JangBi or Effort were to play Flash right now. I don't like Flash's chances. I could name five players who looked better than Flash last week. The fact that you think building "35 queens" (he made like a dozen but ok) is a humiliation tactics against Terran lategame mech makes me realize that you haven't followed BW much last season. FYI, Jaehoon is currently a better player than Iris and hyvaa. Really, your entire post is just absurd. I'm aware that you've been posting on the PL LR threads from this season and that makes your claims all the more ridiculous. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:32 Antisocialmunky wrote: He looked like one of the best in BroodWar so its not surprising... ASDFKJASDFKJASDKL;FJASKLDJF I'VE SEEN THIS PICTURE TWICE TODAY!!! GAHH!!! IT CANNOT BE UNSEEN!!!! | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:35 Seeker wrote: ASDFKJASDFKJASDKL;FJASKLDJF I'VE SEEN THIS PICTURE TWICE TODAY!!! GAHH!!! IT CANNOT BE UNSEEN!!!! Just go ogle pics of NaDa in the rest of the thread. It will make you feel better stat. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:27 Nick_54 wrote: If your that sure, why dont you open up a blog like Rekrul has before and put your money where your mouth is. Tell us what players you'll take to get further than Flash in the next OSL. Flash vs. Jangbi Flash vs. Effort /Bisu/Dong/Random player E I'm the biggest KT hater around, but at least I respect the guy. Put a few grand on it if your That sure, it will at least be an extra entertaining OSL. I do all the fucking time. o_O Jesus. I love how many people are trying to take blind jabs at me. Then again, considering all the posts I've made in the past who the hell would want to do their research to try and win an argument with me anyway? Look I post all the fucking time. If you want to talk about such players I'm pretty easy to find. I have won a lot of money in the past on UFC, money bets and Starcraft. I wouldn't be throwing blanks if there wasn't some truth in what I say. JangBi resurgence and Effort's reemergence and coach Han saying Effort looks better than when he left? Those are only two examples. Flash has a lot of obstacles in his way. This OSL is going to be one of the best we've seen in quite some time. On December 07 2011 12:30 DarkMatter_ wrote: The fact that you think building "35 queens" (he made like a dozen but ok) is a humiliation tactics against Terran lategame mech makes me realize that you haven't followed BW much last season. FYI, Jaehoon is currently a better player than Iris and hyvaa. Really, your entire post is just absurd. I'm aware that you've been posting on the PL LR threads from this season and that makes your claims all the more ridiculous. He made way more than a dozen queens. Watch it again. Hoon played terrible that game and it was addressed at length in that LR. You want to rebut any of the points i made in that thread then do it. Nah, man. I've been following all this time but okay. Whatever helps you sleep at night.  You want to continue this discussion PM me or take it to the LR threads. | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
That said I'd like to address something that comes up in all these BW vs Sc2 threads. July, Nada, Boxer etc are all important parts of BW's rich history and they seem to get an undue amount of disrespect these days. Yes they were not in thier primes when they switched over, no one is arguing that. It's impossible to compare their performances in sc2 to newer BW pro players moving over. However I can't count the amount of times I have seen someone go " Oh Boxer was only good before x metagame shift and Nada's peak was before x era so you know even they weren't as good as Player abc who was good at such and such a time who is now moving over etc as if belittling past legends to prop up new people is cool. Is it such a great betrayal to some bw fans ( because some of us enjoy both games you know) that people have switched games, that they must try to tarnish their reputations now? It just makes no sense to see fans turn their back on past idols because god forbid they continue their careers where they can now. I can understand criticism and correcting facts aka Boxer or Nada not at thier primes is not a good example of top tier BW terran style play and does not indicate what a newer bw terran moving over now can do despite what some sc2 fans try and say. I cannot understand the need to continue on from corrections and move into snide and offensive statement tearing a player down to further emphasize how only new and until recently loyal bw players are any good. IDK it's just frustrating to see. I don't care why players are good or what it proves, I care that they bring interesting things to watch in their play and provide perhaps a new way of viewing or playing the game. . | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
On December 07 2011 09:23 Scribble wrote: You did a terrible job of addressing his point by overlooking the fact that it was an example. He's essentially saying that the limitation caused by the difficult macro effected multitasking; as in the hallmark of a top BW player was the ability to macro flawlessly and be in X places at once with his multitasking. He then posits that since macro is easier in SC2, the hallmark of a good player will be that he'll have to be doing twice as much multitasking (and that easier macro will allow him to do so). In that regard, I agree with him. This has been a long held belief of mine that 1) If you have perfect AI controlled machines controlling the action, then yes, the skill ceiling of BW is higher. 2) With human players, the skill ceiling of either game is out of reach and thus neither game is 'harder,' within the realms of what a human can attain. In other words, no person can ever be good enough at SC2 or BW to demonstrate that one is clearly harder. BW just happens to have over a decade of a headstart in development. 3) With the easier macro in SC2, more of a players mechanical ability will simply be diverted to other areas. Think of it like this. If the idea of 'skill' or mechanics were to be illustrated as 50% emphasis on micro / 50% emphasis on macro (a gross oversimplification) in BW, then SC2 may develop into more of a 65/35 split. The two games would be/will be equally taxing in two different proportions. It's a good point but multitasking actually has a hard ceiling in sc2 because of how hard it is to defend and the strength of deathballs....for example once enemy deathball gets too powerful its really hard to break off more then a few unit and that limits the multitasking because you'll get ran over and die... and if you "multitask in 4 places at once" you're basically doing a base trade if the opponent has a deathball... Now I hope blizz follows this ideal with sc2 being more known for multitasking to higher its skillcap by first making it easier to defend places with less units/stationary defense... and not get run over so easy | ||
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:35 Seeker wrote: ASDFKJASDFKJASDKL;FJASKLDJF I'VE SEEN THIS PICTURE TWICE TODAY!!! GAHH!!! IT CANNOT BE UNSEEN!!!! Seeker I love you so much why must you offend my eyes with CAPS SPAM  Also that pic is hilarious. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:49 Tehs Tehklz wrote: Being the best player is not the same being invincible. While other players could certainly beat Flash, if they played 100 games in a row, do you think there is anyone who would win more game than him? Ignoring his injuries, of course. I do not know how that would effect his ability to play that many games, hahaha. That's a very good question. Wish we could do something like that! One thing is for sure, there is a lot of uncertainty and it's way too early in the season. Lots of players have shown great early performances. The question now is can they maintain it. It's open season in both games and I wouldn't have it any other way! The only thing that matters to me, is the here and now. =) | ||
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iSometric
2221 Posts
I thought it said Fin looks like forGG lol.. | ||
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moochu
Australia374 Posts
On December 07 2011 13:01 StarStruck wrote: That's a very good question. Wish we could do something like that! One thing is for sure, there is a lot of uncertainty and it's way too early in the season. Lots of players have shown great early performances. The question now is can they maintain it. It's open season in both games and I wouldn't have it any other way! The only thing that matters to me, is the here and now. =) I can understand how other players are dangerous and could take a game of flash, but are you saying if you had to absolutely pick one best player you wouldn't choose flash? Who would you choose? | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
let forgg do his job. yes, he's good. very good. you just have to look at his achievements to realise that he is. no one who is not very good can win a starleague. yes, it was comparatively recent. enough speculation. forgg doesn't hype himself up - it's business as usual for him. let's just support him. please continue hyping this stephano and drg fellow...they actually need it. i must say though, i'm very happy forgg is showcasing a new kind of terran style. it's exciting to watch and a pity that his opponents crumbled so quickly. no one should doubt forgg's macro ability, though. that's a ridiculous notion. | ||
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nastyyy
United States262 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On December 07 2011 12:36 Lavi wrote: that's really unfair, mostly because what you're qqing about exists in brood war anywayIt's a good point but multitasking actually has a hard ceiling in sc2 because of how hard it is to defend and the strength of deathballs....for example once enemy deathball gets too powerful its really hard to break off more then a few unit and that limits the multitasking because you'll get ran over and die... and if you "multitask in 4 places at once" you're basically doing a base trade if the opponent has a deathball... oh no the terran got his unstoppable 200/200 mech deathball i lose hooray i have my unstoppable 200/200 carrier deathball i win is this a gross oversimplication? yes it is, but so is your assessment of sc2 | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:17 moochu wrote: I can understand how other players are dangerous and could take a game of flash, but are you saying if you had to absolutely pick one best player you wouldn't choose flash? Who would you choose? That's the thing: I wouldn't because there are several players who have stepped up and are on pace to take their game to the next level. I don't pick bests. I pickup match-ups. I'll play along by picking a match-up. You asked for one guy, so I'll give you one. I've always been one of the loudest critics of JangBi. After all his struggles and 2nd place finishes he finally won an OSL. He deserves a pat on the back. Furthermore, JangBi has already gotten off to a great start in PL against Light. No hang over. If Flash were to play another Bo5 against JangBi right now on the current maps. I'd go with JangBi. Flash hasn't really been tested yet after the surgery; all his games have been walkovers thus far and JangBi's PvT is looking stronger than ever. - Does this mean that I think JangBi is the best player? Absolutely not. I don't think in terms of absolutes. What it does mean is this: I think JangBi's PvT would be too much for Flash to handle right now. I have seen no proof from Flash to think otherwise. | ||
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