EPTHe has been playing on multiple accounts and placing top GM for a long time. The number of games on all his accounts are even more than regular pro players'. Joining oGs and living in the team house environment help him a lot with strategies and clean up his plays. That's why he's becoming a good player.
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canikizu
4860 Posts
He has been playing on multiple accounts and placing top GM for a long time. The number of games on all his accounts are even more than regular pro players'. Joining oGs and living in the team house environment help him a lot with strategies and clean up his plays. That's why he's becoming a good player. | ||
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UBERMENSCH
United States4 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:54 StarStruck wrote: There is no Best player in the world. Okay? Got it? Good. People can label them whatever they want, but it doesn't make them right. Same with the tags. ForGG might try to sell the new nickname Fin, but it doesn't mean anything. People will call him whatever the heck they want. You remember him as ForGG. I remember him as ForGG thus I'm going to continue calling him ForGG because that is who he is to me. Does it really matter? Not really. Players can keep calling themselves all the corny nicknames in the world. Doesn't mean the new ones will stick at all.  flash. you lose | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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Manex
Australia156 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
Anyways, I'm a SC2 follower (in that I think SC2 > BW having watched both) but I'm super excited about forGG! When watching BW, he was one of the players (along with Fantasy) that I get excited watching. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:39 Manex wrote: Keep in mind he was playing under the ID Raptor at the highest levels of play for a year now, the argument that all BW players who switch over will be like that or better immediately is quite a foolish assumption, as they would not have the level of experience or in game knowledge that ForGG has developed over more than a year now. I love BW as much as the next guy on TL, but dont get so hyped or biased. That having been said, God damn but he is good. Honestly no one is arguing that they would insta rape everything. But it's naive to say that they won't become the top level of play. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I wouldn't even call him the best at BW at the moment. Have you been watching PL? So far he hasn't faced anyone noteworthy and others could have taken advantage of him in the same position. So no. Nice try though. There are several players who are doing very well at the moment. On December 07 2011 11:31 canikizu wrote: He has been playing on multiple accounts and placing top GM for a long time. The number of games on all his accounts are even more than regular pro players'. Joining oGs and living in the team house environment help him a lot with strategies and clean up his plays. That's why he's becoming a good player. There's a valid reason why he's been laddering so much. He didn't join oGs until very recently. ;/ | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:42 rysecake wrote: Honestly no one is arguing that they would insta rape everything. But it's naive to say that they won't become the top level of play. He has been playing much less than the guys who are the current top tier players. There is no doubt that ForGG's rise to skill has been significantly faster than pretty much anyone else in the game. | ||
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HardMacro
Canada361 Posts
The hyperboles from both sides have to stop. And please don't try to argue MvP is the better player from BW to switch over than ForGG, because ForGG was part of the regular KT lineup whereas MvP only played occasionally - you do well in in-house rankings, you get to play, it's that simple. This is not even considering his BoX starleague win of Jeadong or other achievements, which dwarf the 1 game win over Flash and rare shallow runs into starleagues of MvP. I can give you that MvP was probably improving faster simply because MvP is younger, but at their respective times of switching over, ForGG was undoubtedly the better player. Simply, when he switched, most people gave a fuck. When MvP did, most people gave much less of a fuck. Also, no one is saying he is the 2nd coming of the Christ, but given the circumstances, in that he is the BEST BW pro to have switched over so far, who had a PERFECT Code A run over good opponents, who demonstrated crisp and dominating game play, this side of the crowd, the ForGG believers if you will, are saying that: "Although the sample size is small, given the (aforementioned) circumstances it is not unreasonable to believe that ForGG will be highly successful in the SC2 scene in the sense that he will be among the best of the best, of the best, excelling or at least equaling the skills of current SC2 champions, regularly placing top positions in the GSL. His BW training and experience has given him a very good RTS background advantage and highly efficient practice regime, which elevate him to a class above previously overhyped players such as DRG." | ||
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robopork
United States511 Posts
On December 07 2011 05:14 Zinjil wrote: His name change away from ForGG seems to have meant something more to fin, and he is effectively a brand new player with the skillset and knowledge of a champion already inside of him, but the drive and ambition of a newly-recruited no-name. You may be right about about the drive and ambition, but he hasn't used the handle fOrGG in game since well before he retired from bw. I really think that more than inherently superior skill, bw players will bring an inherently superior work ethic, which will ultimately grant them success. | ||
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
On December 07 2011 05:32 papaz wrote: I posted this in LR thread of today but it deserves also to be here. fOrGG FIGHTING! ![[image loading]](http://makeagif.com/media/12-06-2011/OhwtVH.gif) "lol, this game is ez" | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
This sort of goes along with the trend of people jumping on the bandwagon of whoever won the latest tournament. I mean really, the number of people calling Hero the best protoss in the world is a little absurd considering his GSL performances. Nerchio was the best foreigner zerg after IPL2, Stephano was the best after IPL3, Leenock was the best zerg after MLG Providence, etc. | ||
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daxile
Canada829 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:52 Doodsmack wrote: 6 GSL games is not nearly enough for us to be saying Fin will win a GSL title soon. Simply put Fin had a relatively easy path to Code S this season. I'll reserve judgment until he consistently does well against players who are currently performing well. I don't think Sage, Polt, or July is a "relatively easy path", I agree with you about reserving judgment for later with regards to winning a GSL but it's clear to me he has at least some potential to do well in Code S, especially with how easily he has defeated his opponents. | ||
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Manex
Australia156 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:44 alphafuzard wrote: He has been playing much less than the guys who are the current top tier players. There is no doubt that ForGG's rise to skill has been significantly faster than pretty much anyone else in the game. I think you're somewhat incorrect in that statement, when HuK revealed he knew who he was on ladder, which had to have been something like a year ago, or at least 10 months, (HuK as i recall proceeding to get roflstomped) the account Fin was playing on, Raptor, had logged far more games than almost any sc2 pro had at that time, and ive heard rumors of Fin playing on multiple accounts. While i would wager that BW pros have a better head start than other players, it takes a lot of time of time and practice to become good, consider now that we have two former BW A teamers playing high level SC2, but getting to where they are now required them playing since around the beginning. I've seen streamers face Stork on KR Ladder, and while he's not bad, there is no way hed qualify for code A, and why? because hes new to the game, and like anyone else, would require a long time to get to the top. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:52 Doodsmack wrote: 6 GSL games is not nearly enough for us to be saying Fin will win a GSL title soon. Simply put Fin had a relatively easy path to Code S this season. I'll reserve judgment until he consistently does well against players who are currently performing well. This sort of goes along with the trend of people jumping on the bandwagon of whoever won the latest tournament. I mean really, the number of people calling Hero the best protoss in the world is a little absurd considering his GSL performances. Nerchio was the best foreigner zerg after IPL2, Stephano was the best after IPL3, Leenock was the best zerg after MLG Providence, etc. To be fair though, I kind of consider Leenock to be the best Z in the game right now based on what I've seen (which is not nearly enough). And Hero is really good. Don't know if I would call him the best Toss right now, but he's definitely up there... don't know who else to put. Huk looked very beatable (lol @ me calling Huk beatable...) at NASL. edit: Maybe MC but I haven't seen any of his recent games, and what I've heard is that his play has suffered some setbacks. Don't know if that's true or not. | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:47 robopork wrote: You may be right about about the drive and ambition, but he hasn't used the handle fOrGG in game since well before he retired from bw. I really think that more than inherently superior skill, bw players will bring an inherently superior work ethic, which will ultimately grant them success. The work ethic thing is absolutely true, but so far it seems like only a few players really have the drive to get to the same level a second time. I kind of foresee pride being the biggest hurdle to success for some huge players, as the hill of sc2's skill level might not be as large as bw's mountain, but it is still rocky and takes time to climb. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:52 Doodsmack wrote: 6 GSL games is not nearly enough for us to be saying Fin will win a GSL title soon. Simply put Fin had a relatively easy path to Code S this season. I'll reserve judgment until he consistently does well against players who are currently performing well. This sort of goes along with the trend of people jumping on the bandwagon of whoever won the latest tournament. I mean really, the number of people calling Hero the best protoss in the world is a little absurd considering his GSL performances. Nerchio was the best foreigner zerg after IPL2, Stephano was the best after IPL3, Leenock was the best zerg after MLG Providence, etc. Shutting out Sage, Polt, and July is not an "easy" path. They're not top tier korean pros (MVP, Nestea) but they are the caliber of players he will need to be able to beat regularly to be a contender in Code S. Dominating all of them in spectacular fashion makes him look pretty good. Until he's pitted against the titans, however, we don't know how far he'll get. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 07 2011 11:52 Doodsmack wrote: 6 GSL games is not nearly enough for us to be saying Fin will win a GSL title soon. Simply put Fin had a relatively easy path to Code S this season. I'll reserve judgment until he consistently does well against players who are currently performing well. This sort of goes along with the trend of people jumping on the bandwagon of whoever won the latest tournament. I mean really, the number of people calling Hero the best protoss in the world is a little absurd considering his GSL performances. Nerchio was the best foreigner zerg after IPL2, Stephano was the best after IPL3, Leenock was the best zerg after MLG Providence, etc. Yup, I noticed you left out PuMa, HM! I wonder why. o; In either case lets wait and see what happens. I'm sure FOrGG will have no problems being a mainstay in code S. | ||
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