EPTOn December 07 2011 04:55 Grend wrote:
Can't we just call him ForGG? Fin is just confusing :-)
Can't we just call him ForGG? Fin is just confusing :-)
Agreed. Call him by the name everyone knows him by.
Why Fin looks like one of the best in sc2 already - Page 14
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
Agreed. Call him by the name everyone knows him by. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:37 DontGiveUp wrote: This might be true but, to be fair, Sage was a nonamer that was called "most inteligent player ever" and "revolutionary style" before, and that was after 3 gstl games. People get hyped up when they see cool new things in pro SC2 that show the game's pontential (like Sage's constant scouting and mind games, or MKP micro against baneling, or, currently, forGG clean agressivenes), it's not necessarily because of heritage. Indeed. I think Forgg merely gets more attention because he was a well known BW pro, and as a result we see more people overhyping him. As far as people overhyping certain progamers is concerned, we see it for all sorts of players, not just popular BW pros. | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:48 DarkMatter_ wrote: Indeed. I think Forgg merely gets more attention because he was a well known BW pro, and as a result we see more people overhyping him. As far as people overhyping certain progamers is concerned, we see it for all sorts of players, not just popular BW pros. I don't think anyone said that Sage would rip through Code S and become champion over the course of a month. DRG did come close to this level of hype though. He even called himself an "overhyped bubble" on his Twitter. | ||
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
If he beats NesTea and MVP in a BO3 next GSL, we can talk again if he is "The Best" | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote: He's fuckin great but all these 'best micro ever', 'revolutionary style' comments are only there because of his heritage. You're just jealous because he was the original heir to the gorilla terran title | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
The thing about the Terran army is that they have a much higher skill ceiling than the other two races. There isn't much more that can be done with the Protoss or Zerg armies that hasn't been thought of and executed already. Zerg could theoretically engage in a slightly more spread manner, but when it comes to the actually fighting, they WANT everything to be clumped up. Protoss likes tight death balls, the hardest micro is placing good force fields and keeping your zealots in front, all of this was figured out last year. Terran, on the other hand, has several units that increase effectiveness exponentially with the amount of micro applied. Marines, Marauders, Banshees, Vikings, Hellions, and Reapers ALL get significantly better due to the fact that they can effectively deal 100% of their DPS while moving. I look forward to the domination of Fin, and the soon-to-come nerf to Terran micro. The next few months of GSL will be quite entertaining with him around  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Same with the tags. ForGG might try to sell the new nickname Fin, but it doesn't mean anything. People will call him whatever the heck they want. You remember him as ForGG. I remember him as ForGG thus I'm going to continue calling him ForGG because that is who he is to me. Does it really matter? Not really. Players can keep calling themselves all the corny nicknames in the world. Doesn't mean the new ones will stick at all.  | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:53 Jermstuddog wrote: Mr. Fin I think is the man who will finally break Terran. The thing about the Terran army is that they have a much higher skill ceiling than the other two races. There isn't much more that can be done with the Protoss or Zerg armies that hasn't been thought of and executed already. Zerg could theoretically engage in a slightly more spread manner, but when it comes to the actually fighting, they WANT everything to be clumped up. Protoss likes tight death balls, the hardest micro is placing good force fields and keeping your zealots in front, but Terran has several units that increase effectiveness exponentially with the amount of micro applied. Marines, Marauders, Banshees, Vikings, Hellions, and Reapers ALL get significantly better due to the fact that they can effectively deal 100% of their DPS while moving. ....mass terran qq right there on topic though, it makes me as an ex-BW player ridiculously happy to see a true top-level BW pro make such an impact so quickly. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's the best in the world in such a short time, but he did show a lot of potential in his games | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:50 babylon wrote: I don't think anyone said that Sage would rip through Code S and become champion over the course of a month. DRG did come close to this level of hype though. He even called himself an "overhyped bubble" on his Twitter. And has Sage shown such dominating games against worthy opponents in his first ever GSL in the same way that Forgg did? Even if Forgg is being overhyped, you have to acknowledge that his actual performance, and not just his BW heritage, has a lot to do with why he's being hyped so much. Moreover, I don't see why Forgg's legacy should not be a factor when hyping him. It's one thing when an otherwise mediocre or unknown player shows a few spectacular games, and it's a completely different thing when a former BW A-teamer who won an MSL by beating Jaedong in a Bo5 switches over to SC2 and absolutely dominates in every single game he's played so far in his first ever GSL | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
Take it as QQ if you want, but I've been bitching about the lop-sided situation that is TvX since release, it's nothing new to me, just accepted fact. Terran is a better race, it always has been and it still is today, as Fin is showing us. I'm actually quite excited. Call me a Fin fan, it will be a fun ride ^_^ User was warned for this post | ||
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Severus_
759 Posts
OMG i'm 2nd terran in KT htf i'm gonna beat Flash for 1st spot. You can say MVP was bwer too he beat Flash, Nestea also and Puzzle was 1st in kespa draft but those guys were never on the level ForGG was he had to play TV matches and devote his life to practice (he played with Flash *duh*) Its normal that he is on another level. Like some of you guys said he is using tactics and basic stuff but those things are perfected because it doesn't matter what strategy you play the concepts are the same. Atleast this is what i think and wtf are those comments about imbaness. You guys should stop this srsly... | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:54 Hall0wed wrote: ForGG has been playing hardcore for 10+ months, nearly as much as most other players. That is why he is good. source on that? | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: And has Sage shown such dominating games against worthy opponents in his first ever GSL in the same way that Forgg did? Even if Forgg is being overhyped, you have to acknowledge that his actual performance, and not just his BW heritage, has a lot to do with why he's being hyped so much. Moreover, I don't see why Forgg's legacy should not be a factor when hyping him. It's one thing when an otherwise mediocre or unknown player shows a few spectacular games, and it's a completely different thing when a former BW A-teamer who won an MSL by beating Jaedong in a Bo5 switches over to SC2 and absolutely dominates in every single game he's played so far in his first ever GSL No, Sage didn't show dominating play. But Sage was also playing in the GSL when Protoss winrates were figuratively scraping the bottom of the fish barrel, so that's not too surprising. People hyped him up -- and every other Protoss as well (see: HerO, JYP, Creator, TAILS, etc.) -- because they wanted a new Protoss hero. The situation was just that bad. Sure, fOrGG's good, but people are hyping him up like he's the new coming of Jesus Christ, which I'm not convinced he is. He's talented, he's good, but by BW standards today, he's pretty mediocre. Especially when you can get into a legitimate argument about whether or not fOrGG should be considered the best BW player to make the switch compared to MVP. (e.g. You can say that fOrGG was clearly on a downward trend when he swapped, while MVP on an upward one and hitting his stride.) I mean, is fOrGG performing better than a carpal-tunnel-stricken MVP? Hard to say until we actually see him play against top-caliber vT opponents (i.e. MVP, MC -- whose PvT is supposedly unbeatable in practice nowadays -- Leenock). Gosh, we all saw what happened to DRG's hype after a while. He's referring to the fact that he's clearly been hardcore laddering his multiple accounts (I think he has four now?) to the top of the KR ladder every season over the past several months. He didn't just suddenly switch when he joined oGs. | ||
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote: He's fuckin great but all these 'best micro ever', 'revolutionary style' comments are only there because of his heritage. I would disagree with that seeing as the fact that threads like these arise all of the time regardless of their heritage, or previous accomplishments. Artosis stated Alicia was the best protoss he had ever seen. Later he said Sage is the one of the best players in the world. Fan Clubs pop up, as well as admiration blogs because of statements casters make or because of a person's own volition. DRG played well for a GSTL season yet is still ranked 4th on liquipedia and top 10 on even higher on Khaldors website. Who as far as I have witnessed qualified for Code A once out 4 attempts and was knocked out in the ro32. Then he continues to get seeded into Code S because of MLG's ludicrous format. Most of the posts in this thread are over hyped, which doesn't seem to vary much from any other thread. The only revolutionary statement being conveyed is towards Korean Brood War players and certainly paints a picture for the 'Elephant In the Room' thread. And since when did this sites regular posters in the SC2 section start caring about Brood War. "It's a completely different game, just because you're good at one doesn't mean you'll good good at the other". We should have a Brood War awareness month that is a mandatory read. | ||
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
We're going to see a lot of early game pressure out of terran that just breaks weak builds like hatch first and 1 gate/1rax expands. The maps are still too small for early pressure builds to be ineffective. | ||
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
On December 07 2011 10:57 aviator116 wrote: ....mass terran qq right there on topic though, it makes me as an ex-BW player ridiculously happy to see a true top-level BW pro make such an impact so quickly. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's the best in the world in such a short time, but he did show a lot of potential in his games They don't actually get better at attacking while moving. If you're wondering that's not an upgrade or anything. It just requires a little bit of fines. I'm glad you wrote the guidelines for how to play Zerg and Protoss, and don't forget about that ceiling you installled. Check if blizzard is hiring, just send them this post as your resume and I'm quite sure you will be in there with Browder making sure that Mr. Fin doesn't break Terran. And see if you can get Dustin to put some scaffolding up until you can raise the Zerg Protoss ceiling. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
He's a veteran pro-gamer, so nerves are not going to be an issue. He's been playing SC2 at a very high level for a long time now. I could understand how the younger players, new to pro-gaming might play badly in their first GSL due to nerves, but a returning vet? | ||
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