EPTI tried 5 years ago but George Clooney still gave his Academy Awards acceptance speech
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
I tried 5 years ago but George Clooney still gave his Academy Awards acceptance speech | ||
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TheRooster
Sweden719 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:08 Harstem wrote: If you don't trust people who stream snipe that is fine by me, but at least try to be fair and not act like you know 100% certain that the person in fact is cheating. More streamers have been giving that attitude more and more lately. It might seem like no big deal for you, but I also am in a team and if the sponsors/manager of that team reads " Hammerstanstein is a cheater" they might kick me out of the team. Why do u take the risk then? If ur on a team u can play with your teammates instead of pissing of ppl streaming. If you are gonna streamsnipe and u dont want too be called a hacker just stream when u snipe.... | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
It's not something that you HAVE to do because it's just the way the ladder works at high level, however it would show that you respect the player that you streamsniped and avoid 90% of the negative feedback. Concerning the stream delay and commercials, I think I heard that twitch was working on a system that would take into account the delay automatically when you type /commercial (should not be really hard to code). That would make stream delay much more accessible for streamers, however there is still the problem that it prevents live interaction between the stream chat and the streamer. | ||
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TheRooster
Sweden719 Posts
LOL he fucking nailed it ^^. | ||
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tumblingderp
United States2 Posts
To me, everyone wants to get their name out there - just be careful on how you do it. The majority of SC2 players have a full plate, like you listed; however, it seems you (and many others, I am sure) have chosen to rely on stream sniping as a form of getting your name out there. A form which only has negative connotations attached to it... Furthermore, as a viewer, I do not pay attention to who the other player is, unless it is also someone more well-known. If the same player keeps showing up as their opponent, I think the tag "stream cheater" is easily applied/assumed. Coincidence only goes so far, and for me, as a viewer, watching the same opponent play a certain player repeatedly becomes more annoying than anything. Does a five-year admit to stealing a cookie from the cookie jar, even when the cookie is in his mouth? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:41 Harstem wrote: Instead of playing versus average joe you are playing versus Incontrol, Idra, Kas, HuK etc. Unfortunately not all streamers can appreciate it and sometimes they even falsely accuse you of stream-cheating. This is the opposite of what you want, because when I stream snipe I do this to get free good publicity while playing versus extremely good players. The feeling of winning while your opponent is having 5000+ viewers is really hard to describe, but it feels damn good. What I am trying to say is: If someone is stream sniping this doesn't necessarily mean they are stream cheating. Lately I am getting more and more streamers who are saying "don't mind this guy, he is a cheater" without even knowing me. This isn't only putting me in a bad daylight, but it also affects my play. When my opponent tells me "u streamcheat" I scout less, because I know that if I find his proxy pylon or his hidden gate he will be like "See this guy is a cheater, fucking scrub". I hope people learn to appreciate me and my fellow stream snipers more and stop falsely accusing me and others of cheating when we are not. The thing is, you will not gain good publicity by being a stream sniper. Nor should you. While you personally may only snipe once, many snipe over and over. It is very annoying for the streamer and for the viewers. You choose to put yourself with these people who snipe repeatedly. You choose to put yourself in a group of cheaters. Don't blame the streamer for the similar actions of people like yourself. Stream sniping is not a good method of gaining good publicity. Why? Because no one cares about the sniper. They are watching the stream for the streamer, not you. You become a nuisance. If you want 5000+ people to watch you win games, GET BETTER. Make a name for yourself the legit way. Perform well in tournaments, have a strong ladder presence without sniping, stream yourself (and I saw you said your computer can't handle it, well thats just tough luck for you man). If you want to gain popularity, stream sniping is not the way to do it. You are either forgotten or become hated. People won't learn to appreciate snipers because there is nothing to appreciate. Why should I appreciate that you hit find match at the same time as Huk? Play completely legit, and that means match find legit too. | ||
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HK_TPZ
48 Posts
Fools! Harstem doesnt complain. Harstem enlightens all you noobs about the difference between stream sniping and stream cheating while sharing anecdotal information. | ||
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HK_TPZ
48 Posts
On November 16 2011 16:50 jmbthirteen wrote: The thing is, you will not gain good publicity by being a stream sniper. Nor should you. While you personally may only snipe once, many snipe over and over. It is very annoying for the streamer and for the viewers. You choose to put yourself with these people who snipe repeatedly. You choose to put yourself in a group of cheaters. Don't blame the streamer for the similar actions of people like yourself. Stream sniping is not a good method of gaining good publicity. Why? Because no one cares about the sniper. They are watching the stream for the streamer, not you. You become a nuisance. If you want 5000+ people to watch you win games, GET BETTER. Make a name for yourself the legit way. Perform well in tournaments, have a strong ladder presence without sniping, stream yourself (and I saw you said your computer can't handle it, well thats just tough luck for you man). If you want to gain popularity, stream sniping is not the way to do it. You are either forgotten or become hated. People won't learn to appreciate snipers because there is nothing to appreciate. Why should I appreciate that you hit find match at the same time as Huk? Play completely legit, and that means match find legit too. Enough abuse of the word legit for this fine gentlemen! Thank you very much | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On November 16 2011 17:05 HK_TPZ wrote: Fools! Harstem doesnt complain. Harstem enlightens all you noobs about the difference between stream sniping and stream cheating while sharing anecdotal information. Oh well, then it's ok ofc... Good thing this thread isn't almost exclusively about him but about the subject at hand..... Even though only very few people agree with him I think he pretty much likes this thread, since hey... He get's reputation from it and even incontrol + TB wrote in it. I now know his name although he has (Imo) done nothing to deserve that, pretty impressive... | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:39 Harstem wrote: hihi capped, this is completely irrelevant to this thread. pls no incontrol/me bashing, I rather have a nice discussion. I think this says alot about his intelligence, for him not to see this as a joke is pretty stupid... and i also went on to comment about what he was doing, is that not quote, "a nice discussion"? | ||
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mCon_maDe
Netherlands58 Posts
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aFganFlyTrap
Australia212 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:40 dr.entropy wrote: There's no lynching here. The OP started this thread to encourage discussion about stream sniping vs cheating. What most people have said is that it's hard to tell the difference, and it's easy for sniping to turn into cheating, and anyway it's kind of lame. It's not about arrogance, or a sense of superiority, or a need to put a particular person down. It's about encouraging fair play that's fun to watch. it was mainly directed at incontrol and i after reading every post it applies to a few other people aswell | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
He is going through GREAT lengths to get his name "known" and in a bad way at that, he is trying to cheat the system and get himself famous quick. Just take a look at this thread, tons of half-assed "look at me" replies to people saying "Hi XXXX, your wrong and thats ok because im mannered" His actions in making and replies to this thread just promote his dodgy actions - he is sniping purely to get noticed, as someone stated earlier in this thread, winning against said streamer gets you more noticed then getting owned does. You cannot seriously throw yourself into a basket with scumbags and cheaters (hi combatex, deezer, other assholes.) and expect people to be like, oh well HE is the exception, NATURALLY! Its fucking ridiculous, stop sniping and you wont have to deal with the accusations, because thats all they are, you have no way to prove it either way. Incontrol was never wrong by accusing him of it blindly, its hardly BM. He gets stream cheaters all the time and i think anyone would eventually think "another one? fuck this, im not giving him the benefit of the doubt" and i think we all know how manner Inc is in the first place. Basically, all you have to do for this "harstem" weed is look at his actions. 1) Stream snipes for exposure and then talks to stream chat + spams twitter in games. 2)Makes thread on TL about how he isnt a "stream cheater" and everyone should recognise him as that. 3) Makes half-assed replys to every single damn comment in this thread that add nothing to the "discussion" he started basically just a frantic attempt to expose himself more and make himself look the "good guy" by being mannered. 4) Enters stream chats after games for the "Look at me i just played Inc im so awesome!" effect on his ego. Again, a frantic attempt at exposure. 5)Stream cheats for wins? who knows. but by all the other methods he is using to further his own ends, i wouldnt put it past him to be honest. This is all my own opinion of him, and from what ive seen of him he's a dick. plain and simple. He is using all the WRONG methods of getting himself noticed and "out-there" because he thinks its the best way to do it and the fastest. If he really wanted to play vs good players to learn, why not join tournaments? Unless you can win them every day/week/month at 100% win rate consistently, you have something to learn from the players. If you really wanted exposure, why arent you streaming, joining the tournies, making friends and practice partners out of the pro-gamers. This is the way to get noticed. Take Beastyqt, he was in a chat channel i hung around in for ages, the next thing i know, the guys on Empire (holy shit balls wut?) - Because he joined tournies, streamed, promoted himself the RIGHT way. Ridiculous fucking attempt at getting noticed IMO. Dont give him the attention he wants. As if he reads this, i fully expect another "Hi Capped, i dont know why you are being like this to me but its ok, because im GM and feel its ok to disagree!" fake bullshit. :-) | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 16 2011 18:07 Capped wrote: If he really wanted to play vs good players to learn, why not join tournaments? Unless you can win them every day/week/month at 100% win rate consistently, you have something to learn from the players. Sorry, but this is definitely not right. It's not as if he's trying to snipe MVP or professionals of such class. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
But cheating is when you have dual monitors or even the same monitor and are alt tabing or just watching (on dual montiors) to see what your opponent is doing! | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 16 2011 18:12 JustPassingBy wrote: Sorry, but this is definitely not right. It's not as if he's trying to snipe MVP or professionals of such class. Sorry but how is playing vs people who can and do beat you in order to learn, not right? O.o and enough of the pro-bashing, Inc may not be the fabled "top tier" but he's a damn good player and deserves respect for everything he's done for e-sports in general away from his gaming. I also do not think many people in this thread have won a WCG or Top 3 at an MLG (granted, before koreans. Still havent done it.) | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
I'm not trying to defend OP whatsoever but honestly, if you're making money off of streaming your own games and you are getting a fanbase which helps you with sponsorship and what not, you better expect to have people stream cheat vs you, it's just part of the game. This is not a case where both people have something at stake (especially if it's the same stake, like prize money) and someone is map hacking, these are ladder games ffs. On November 16 2011 18:07 Capped wrote: Im actually disgusted and feel terribly sorry for this "harstem" LOL why don't you save those words for someone that actually does something criminally wrong, like theft or murder, or even people that hurt the SC2 community in certain southeast asian countries? Edit: oops, by saying "that make no money," I meant as in, a tournament prize pool. As in, there's nothing to actually play for in the games and whether someone wins or loses really doesn't matter. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
comletelly agree with incontrol. | ||
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HK_TPZ
48 Posts
On November 16 2011 18:25 Alpina wrote: I don't see why you need proof or something. If you are stream sniping that means you can be stream cheating as well. Does not mean you are stream cheating, but it may be, and streamer does not know for sure, and he can't know for sure, that's why he assumes you may be stream cheating. I don't get what's wrong with that. comletelly agree with incontrol. am I the only one around here who believes in innocent until proven guilty? In other news, since streamers cannot know whether their opponents stream snipe them or not, I'm afraid I miss the relevance of your pointing out stream snipers could be cheating. In other news, + Show Spoiler + OMG LADDER IS SERIOUS BUSINESS | ||
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