EPTMaybe he should put his own house in order first before saying that kind stuff...
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Maybe he should put his own house in order first before saying that kind stuff... | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Definitely be aggressive, make it known like this, contact sponsors as well as hosts and explain what is happening so that everyone is aware. Now people know why new events are often so scrutinized (like that NeSe thing, and NASL in the past) | ||
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R3m3mb3rM3
Germany954 Posts
On November 01 2011 01:22 Zocat wrote: Funny that one the same day where Cloud decides to go public with that carmac posts on his twitter "More likely than not we are witnessing "the SC2 bubble." It's not too overblown but still. Caution is advised." and "Many teams and some leagues will get horny and step out of bounds.". Maybe he should put his own house in order first before saying that kind stuff... had to think of that too ^^ | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On November 01 2011 01:22 wilsonreis wrote: Im sure its in TL's (and ESPORTS) best interest that those things are known and talked about. On the other hand, i think spotlighting such a thread is somewhat tricky, considering TL runs partly on sponsors money. This looks like a job for Super Reddit  This is a community hub, so it shouldn't be tricky. If they stonewall the spotlight due to sponsors they will become unreliable. TSL always had a great reputation, so their own sponsors shouldnt have to worry. | ||
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Tumor
Austria192 Posts
There should be a Tournament price money notary so the tournament companys have to pay the money to the Notary before the Tournaments so the Players will get the money after they won. i know Notary is an expensive stuff, but what is wrong with the Tournament Admins to NOT pay the Winners??? Or they are all near bankrupt and can afford to pay the Players? They just try to get players there and hope for big advertise money to pay there old bills? making some kind of debt pyramide the never will escape? When i do my work in my company i get my money at the last day of the month. why sould play and win tournaments and not get the money? | ||
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NightEnD
Romania107 Posts
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
Tournaments need to start stating beforehand the timescales for paying out prizemoney. Even if it does take them a long time it allows the players to plan and budget their finances accordingly. Clear timescales means players don't have to harrass the organizations asking whether they're going to get paid and when. I'd heard about prizemoney problems in games like Warcraft 3, I had no idea it was a problem in SC2. | ||
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thegreatpiata
Canada54 Posts
The tournaments that pay everyone quickly will rise to the top and gain a better reputation while those that don't will sink to the bottom. You could even take it a step further and let tournament participants review tournaments based on a variety of other factors such as accommodations, organization, playing environment, player treatment and so on. It would likely take 2 - 4 weeks of development time but I could see it being an amazing tool for pro or semi-pro players. I'd be happy to design it (I'm a professional web designer) if someone was willing to program it. Edit: Now that I'm thinking about it more, the simplest way would be to create a complaint system and then list the worst offenders by number of registered complaints and how long they've been outstanding. This is decidedly more negative but much faster to implement. | ||
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BoomNasty
United States265 Posts
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Dizzy_1337
Germany11 Posts
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
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Delphi
Germany88 Posts
mainly ESL -_- I was at the same event in Italy as Cloud (UGC) and the only good thing about them is, that they answer emails, and give statement in contrast to ESL, and they just wrote and email today that it should come within this week. | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
On November 01 2011 01:27 BoomNasty wrote: Forgive me if I am wrong, but it seems like all of these problems are coming from European tournaments? Wouldn't it be smart to just not attend tournaments by sponsors/organizers you know aren't trustworthy. Everything outside of Europe does not seem to have a problem with prize money. IPL is noted there too. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
Blacklisting an event leads to it's eventual shut down. You have to remember, most of these events do eventually pay. ESL is notorious for taking forever to pay, but they do pay. An event that takes a year to pay is better than no event at all. Honestly, there is only one solution... there needs to be a kespa-like organization formed. One that can ensure that players aren't wasting their time/energy/money going to events where they won't be paid. Events need to be able to provide proof that they have the necessary funds to pay players before anyone commits to going. There needs to be a governing body that can speak on behalf of all foreign and Korean proteams. This won't work unless everyone agrees. | ||
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m2e
United States108 Posts
It's easy to blame them (tourny organizers) because they ran the event and we only see the sponsoring companies as the "cool guys who are doing oh so much for eSports" but we all seem to be forgetting about the sponsors who are the ones controlling the flow of funding and might be the main offenders here when it comes to paying up on time. Before we go all hive-mind mode and start slandering and shitting all over event's and their organizers we really do need to be 100% sure that sponsors simply aren't jerking tournaments and their organizers around simply because they hold all the power and can frankly do whatever they want at the pace they want because they're a big name. I do agree that taking 7+ months to get paid a few thousand dollars you were promised is absurd and should not be happening, but we must first understand and figure out who is the cause of this issue (whether it's the tournament organizers who are just holding onto the money for whatever reason or is it the actual sponsors that are running these tournaments and their organizers around in circles promising payments that take longer than they should, especially for these million and in intel's case billion dollar companies that should have no problems paying up on time simply because they have the luxury of exercising their power to do so.) Please keep this in mind before you start calling out events and potentially ruining reputations for good due to circumstances out of their control. Let's hear first from some of these event organizers if they wish to chime in and try to understand WHY these payments are taking so long to be made... | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:58 RevThirteen wrote: Is there no way to take legal action with a lawyer against these tournaments? Often times hiring a lawyer and taking them to court would cost more than the prize money itself, you'd have to do it on principal. | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On November 01 2011 01:27 BoomNasty wrote: Forgive me if I am wrong, but it seems like all of these problems are coming from European tournaments? Wouldn't it be smart to just not attend tournaments by sponsors/organizers you know aren't trustworthy. Everything outside of Europe does not seem to have a problem with prize money. You've seen IPL season2 in darkforce' list? That was in may, and certainly US. So far only european programers are posting here, therefore more EU tournaments are listed. I guess this problem is borderless. | ||
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
Blizzard are in the perfect position to disallow tournaments to host their game. It could even be seen as a good marketing move (especially in recent light of their decisions) to be the first e-sport that could guarantee tournaments pay their players. I hope someone with an ear at Blizzard at least mentions the idea. | ||
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.Amon.
Germany64 Posts
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lyrlian
Netherlands257 Posts
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