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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 31 2011 16:05 GMT
#41
That's terrible. The teams should try to unite against this. If most big teams said that they would go to a tournament that does not pay out, the tournament would fail. Mouz, Eg, Liquid, Fnatic etc stopped going to some of these tournaments, I think that would cause a change.
(At least I hope)
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Willes
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany199 Posts
October 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#42
Make it public, for example: all tournaments where the prizewinners need to mail/harass the admins for the money are put on a list which will be continiously updated here on tl.net.
Everybody can read the list.
Everybody can decide to not play on tournaments that are well known for not paying.
They will think twice about it if they know that it has consequences.
Origine
Profile Joined January 2010
France167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:10:43
October 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#43
On November 01 2011 00:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I have been thinking of creating such a thread for months, im happy that you made the step. i have a word file on my computer with all cups that i still get prizemoney from, i will copy it here. please note that some of those tourneys are very recently, so its not a big deal that i havent gotten the money yet, but some are almost, or even more than 1 year ago (for example i havent gotten the 3000 SEK from the dreamhack BYOC qualifier that all the first place finishers of the qualifiers were supposed to get).

I hope you can forgive me the slighty unorganized format of my list, but i think it should be clear what is meant in each case. it IS possible that one of those tourneys did pay me, and i forgot to take the tournament off the list, but its not very likely... but yea just wanted to put this here as a warning that i cannot guarantee that the list is 100% perfect (but pretty close to 100).

Dailymotion Cup
EPS Season 17
EPS Summer 2011
Dreamhack Winter 2010 BYOC Qualifier (3000 SEK)
Epiccup invite turnier
Virus invite turnier
IPL Season 2
WCG National Finals
GeForce Pro Turnier
TheGreat Showmatch
Zotac Monthly Final September
16.10.2011 Polarfluke OPtoberfest ~~340$
19.10.2011 ESL Monthly Final September

One thing i am very happy about is that i have recently gotten my NASL Season 1 prizemoney, even though it was a bit later than promised, it still came relatively quickly, compared to many other events!

Another thing that annoys me is that you usually have to ASK via email for the prizemoney, only in rare cases are you actually being contacted by the tournament organizers about the prizemoney...
In some cases i had to write many many emails, which costs alot of time and energy and is really making me quite angry at times.


Sry but you can delete Virus invite tournament, since Virus is about to disband due to.... not paying promised salaries and shit, aka having 0$ to run the team (being part of Virus i know what i'm talking about >,>) this is another concern, but it sux as well. You wont receive the money any time soon unfortunately t__t

To add something that DrooL said about ESL taking their time to pay, EPS.fr season 1 ended like 1 year ago or so, no cash prizes have been paid to the players from the play-offs (season 2 as well obviously )
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Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
October 31 2011 16:07 GMT
#44
On November 01 2011 00:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
...
IPL Season 2
..


That was in may! And checking results you should've gotten $200.. Such a long wait for this small amount of money.
Are the organisers getting all the interest on the money from sponsors or something? "intel, steelseries etc pay up. Ok now let it sit in our bankaccount collecting interest. Winners can wait." I doubt big companies like steelseries/kingston/razer with a e-sports division would take so long to pay the organisers..

Expected more from the bigger names like IPL. Everyone applauds their production value, how about a little professional courtesy by paying your crowd-drawers their money.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 31 2011 16:07 GMT
#45
Pretty shocking to see Dreamhack and IPL haven't paid yet
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 31 2011 16:07 GMT
#46
On November 01 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 01:02 Mafe wrote:
Thats a disgrace. Does anybody know if those dota 2 guys got their million?

It's Valve so we can be pretty sure they got paid... most tournaments that don't pay are actually willing to pay but can't because they don't get the money from the sponsors or not as much as promised.


I think the problem is they run kinda incorrectly. If they promise money they should pay out that money from their own pocket then they deal directly with sponsors if the money doesn't come through. You should never make issues for the players because of the sponsor money taking awhile to come through.
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
October 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#47
This thread is only 2 pages long and the amount of well respected pro-gamers coming forth to support ClouD is surprising. I was not aware EU tournaments in particular, were so terrible at cashing their advertised prizes.

I'm amazed this has gone on for so long.
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
October 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#48
On November 01 2011 00:57 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:56 VoirDire wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist for organizers that do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.


What if 90% of them quit hosting tours, you think the 10% will be enough?


I have a feeling that if sponsors see how badly their names are being represented by some of these tournaments and the negativity surrounding their organization they will start spending their sponsorship dollars with other organizations that are more organized. This is absolutely awful and I can't believe that big name tournaments are doing stuff like this. I don't know if a governing body is necessary but perhaps a third party could validate prize money and hold it for events or something. Like an intermediary company that could give the tournament an official stamp of approval that all prize money is present and accounted for so players could look at the events and choose to not play in an event if it didn't have this seal of confirmation or something.
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Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
October 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#49
Another thing that can be done is for the community to twitter the sponsor of those tournaments with "Why don't you pay prizemoney?"

Like the 1000s who twittered "Thanks Pepsi for sponsoring GSL"

Sponsors really can't have bad publicity in large numbers like that and might react by changing their payment behaviour?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
yoigen
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany369 Posts
October 31 2011 16:09 GMT
#50
this needs a spotlight
Today I didn't even have to use my AK, I gotta say it was a good day.
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
October 31 2011 16:10 GMT
#51
On November 01 2011 01:02 Jerglings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:57 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:56 VoirDire wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist for organizers that do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.


What if 90% of them quit hosting tours, you think the 10% will be enough?


Would you really mind if a tour that didn't pay you stopped?



They do pay............eventually its just slow as F and you need to spam them to do it.

I agree that they shouldnt host them anymore, but if you blacklist them why would they even pay the money they owe then? There is a chance that over 100.000$ wont be given to players if you shutdown 90% of tournaments and sure new ones might come, but I doubt they'll pop the next day.

Another thing you have to keep in mind, the sponsors that "gave" money for it - after they get blacklisted what makes you think they'll sponsor another tournament?

Probably some kind of organisation needs to "control" the payments in tournaments, small or big. (or at least regular ones).
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 31 2011 16:10 GMT
#52
On November 01 2011 01:08 Zandar wrote:
Another thing that can be done is for the community to twitter the sponsor of those tournaments with "Why don't you pay prizemoney?"

Like the 1000s who twittered "Thanks Pepsi for sponsoring GSL"

Sponsors really can't have bad publicity in large numbers like that and might react by changing their payment behaviour?

That can't be done because we actually don't know which sponsors promised to pay prizemoney and which did and if they did or if they did not.
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
October 31 2011 16:10 GMT
#53
Tournaments need to get a lot of shit if they dont pay their players.
This definitly needs to be spotlighted.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:14:43
October 31 2011 16:11 GMT
#54
This has been a problem for years, nothing new here. And doesn't surprise me one bit that ESL and/or ESWC is still owing you money. I've read and heard countless of similar situations about ESL especially.

I don't want to bash any of the organizers or anything, but you are disgrace if you are using pro-players/tournament participants to promote your stuff without giving any prizes or delaying them as much as you can.

I seriously hope that more pro-gamers would stood up and tell which organizers are actually the worst ones and either they fix it or then people should start boycotting them as much as possible.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
cmgillett
Profile Joined March 2010
United States335 Posts
October 31 2011 16:11 GMT
#55
Unfortunately, this has been a huge problem in other games as well. I came from a counter-strike and call of duty background and it was very commonplace to not get the money you were said to receive or at the very least have to wait almost a year with much nagging and contacting involved. A lot of these tournaments take advantage of the players ;\

Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
October 31 2011 16:12 GMT
#56
So is ESL really THAT big of a problem? I mean, all of these payments not getting paid seems bad, but...ESL seems like the worst.

Why don't we get a letter together, send it to ESL/their sponsors, and have a bunch of TL members sign it? Something like "We won't support your product until you pay players"
Geosensation
Profile Joined March 2011
United States256 Posts
October 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#57
Can someone make a list of tournaments that actually DO pay out prizemoney when promised?
"My life for Aiur!"
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
October 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#58
Wow that's horrible.. Sad that these things happen. Don't bite off more than you can chew.
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DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
October 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#59
thats really fucked up -_-
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#60
Im really happy you brought this up Cloud. Waiting 7 months or not getting you price money at all is unaccepteble. And maybe the community should make a hall of shame for those orginasation that dont pay out price winnings.
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