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dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
October 31 2011 15:55 GMT
#21
Fix ur shit ESL!

This is an EMBARRASSMENT. I hope this thread blows up all over reddit and TL so that tourney organizers change their ways.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:57:44
October 31 2011 15:56 GMT
#22
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist too, for organizers that actually do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
October 31 2011 15:57 GMT
#23
On November 01 2011 00:56 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist for organizers that do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.


What if 90% of them quit hosting tours, you think the 10% will be enough?
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Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:57:33
October 31 2011 15:57 GMT
#24
European tournaments have a bad reputation for this, not in SC2 in particular but in games like counterstrike this has been common for the last decade.

The topic seems to have been avoided in SC2 so far so if this is really happenening it is time for the subject to be brought up.
Let thy speech be better than silence, or be silent.
RevThirteen
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden116 Posts
October 31 2011 15:58 GMT
#25
Is there no way to take legal action with a lawyer against these tournaments?
samuraibael
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia294 Posts
October 31 2011 15:58 GMT
#26
This is unbelievable. I am amazed how patient you guys have been thus far.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:01:06
October 31 2011 15:59 GMT
#27
On November 01 2011 00:57 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:56 VoirDire wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist for organizers that do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.


What if 90% of them quit hosting tours, you think the 10% will be enough?


If 90% of them are not paying you anyway, what does it matter if they quit hosting tours? They didnt award anything for winning it , so it was a waste of time to begin with

On November 01 2011 00:58 RevThirteen wrote:
Is there no way to take legal action with a lawyer against these tournaments?


Im sure there is a way to seek legal action. The tournament states that attaining X ranking will pay X amount of dollars. ClouD attains said rank, thus is entitled to said amount of dollars. Im not sure how they could argue against that.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:59:37
October 31 2011 15:59 GMT
#28
On November 01 2011 00:57 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:56 VoirDire wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist for organizers that do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.


What if 90% of them quit hosting tours, you think the 10% will be enough?

I think the market will open up for more more legit cups/tours if the non-serious ones stop.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:01:15
October 31 2011 16:00 GMT
#29
well so nothing changed. still the same as in warcraft 3 back in the days. problems with ESWC, ESL (though here i must say that most of the cases i read the players got their prizemoney, even though VERY late) and more which i don't remember because it were too many
skipgamer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia701 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:01:06
October 31 2011 16:00 GMT
#30
Why aren't gamers registering as businesses (or whatever the equivalent of a sole-trader is in the US/Europe), and handing out lawsuits? I'm assuming some sort of agreement is signed with tournament organisers (I wouldn't play for shit unless one was signed) and that this is a legal agreement which will stand up in court.

If not, then regardless of the prize pools, regardless of the number of professional gamers and teams, regardless of the number of sponsors; e-sports will never become big business.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 31 2011 16:00 GMT
#31
We need Wespa. Sort of like Kespa but for the world. I'm unhappy to hear the poor professionalism of all this.
maru lover forever
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
October 31 2011 16:01 GMT
#32
I think we should make a database to help players boycott bad tournaments such as ESL, ESWC, etc

But i guess players will still try their luck even if there's only a small change they'll get paid. But it would help bigger names to decide between two tournaments tough
@ggmonx
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
October 31 2011 16:01 GMT
#33
Whether the solution is to blacklist or to somehow get a governing body, something has to be done. This is an embarrassment and i had no idea about it. Hell, i used to play Yugioh professionally and Konami would always pay up front in the tourney. Esports can never truly be big if the main source of income for players "can or cannot" be received.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
October 31 2011 16:01 GMT
#34
I thought about creating such a thread myself. It's not so bad as it seems at least for me cause the oldest tournament i haven't been paid for is only 3-4 months but it might be because i always take care if somebody didn't pay and i usually message them for a few days or in other cases i try to get in touch using other people that can help me. I still think it's a big problem especially if we want people to take e-sports seriously which equals many pro-gamers living off the game.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
October 31 2011 16:02 GMT
#35
Wow this is seriously fucked up.
I could understand a little bit from a small starting tournament but totally not from ESL, Dreamhack etc.

Why organise a tournament if you can't pay the prize money asap. There is so much organisation involved, so many people working for them, surely prizes are part of the bookkeeping?

TL could step in here. Not something negative like a blacklist, but maybe some kind of ranking in their stream summary. 5 stars for fast payment, 1 star for bad payment.

Pro players can also do something about it, boycot the bad paying tournaments.

Weird to see that Nasl, while getting all kinds of shit and boycotts, pays fairly fast when having one of the highest amounts of total prizemoney.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Jerglings
Profile Joined September 2010
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:05:48
October 31 2011 16:02 GMT
#36
On November 01 2011 00:57 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:56 VoirDire wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:48 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:47 RinconH wrote:
If event organizers get a bad reputation TL should initiate boycotts of their tourneys


Problem is that 90% of tournaments do it

TL should start a blacklist for organizers that don't pay up imho. Maybe a whitelist for organizers that do pay up if only 10% of tournaments do.


What if 90% of them quit hosting tours, you think the 10% will be enough?


Would you really mind if a tour that didn't pay you stopped? I don't know much of the law concerning this, but it sounds borderline criminal. How can a player, or anyone, trust or respect a company that does stick to their word, especially in matters of money. If they can't abide by easily the most important aspect of a tournament, why should they continue to be supported in any way. They should be made an example of and pave the way for new, responsible organizations.
"I'd rather find out my wife was cheating on me than keep losing like this. At least I could tell my wife to cut it out."
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
October 31 2011 16:02 GMT
#37
Thats a disgrace. Does anybody know if those dota 2 guys got their million?
Remfire
Profile Joined October 2010
492 Posts
October 31 2011 16:04 GMT
#38
The lack of professionalism and commitment to pay the players is unbelievable, I think if this continues there is going to be some governing body or some type of enforcement on tournaments. The fact that the players are not being paid for there placement is just ludicrous and it really bothers me. It does nothing but hurt esports. Get your stuff together people!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 31 2011 16:04 GMT
#39
On November 01 2011 01:02 Mafe wrote:
Thats a disgrace. Does anybody know if those dota 2 guys got their million?

It's Valve so we can be pretty sure they got paid... most tournaments that don't pay are actually willing to pay but can't because they don't get the money from the sponsors or not as much as promised.
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
October 31 2011 16:04 GMT
#40
On November 01 2011 01:02 Mafe wrote:
Thats a disgrace. Does anybody know if those dota 2 guys got their million?

I'm sure valve took care of that extremely quickly. Valve is a huge company that (somewhat) relies on their reputation to sell their games.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
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