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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gMhgG.png) See original: fOrGG (otherwise known as oGs.Fin) has made it into GSL Code A. With Bisu and Fantasy playing Starcraft 2 at Blizzcon, the KT house getting all new computers and displays that have the components needed for starcraft 2, who are we going to see next? EDIT: In the below spoiler is the basis of the KT comment. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1WSJA.png) 
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
The current scene is doomed. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Tofugrinder wrote: already mentioned in the qualifier thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279417 Deserves it's own  | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:23 TemujinGK wrote: See original: https://twitter.com/#!/junkka83/status/129140536253751296 fOrGG (otherwise known as oGs.Fin) has made it into GSL Code A. With Bisu and Fantasy playing Starcraft 2 at Blizzcon, the KT house getting all new computers and displays that have the components needed for starcraft 2, who are we going to see next? hm the next one? wait for him 2 go inactive in Broodwar. then wait atleast 2 months and then u migh thave a new one. | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Zephirdd wrote: If the KT house decides to switch to SC2... The current scene is doomed. it will be like the great flood sweeping away all the blasphemous meatbags so that the chosen ones can descend from the ark and create a luscious, new world of purity and greatness. | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
We knew that he had been playing a lot already though, right? So it's not too surprising. | ||
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Azera
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Tofugrinder wrote: already mentioned in the qualifier thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279417 Yeah I understand this, but since he was such a legend in Broodwar and he just made his appearance I thought it would be worth the new thread. Of course a mod can close it if it is too redundant x.x. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
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Dominico
Canada678 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:28 TemujinGK wrote: Yeah I understand this, but since he was such a legend in Broodwar and he just made his appearance I thought it would be worth the new thread. Of course a mod can close it if it is too redundant x.x. i wouldn't say he is a legend tbh. | ||
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
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raviy
Australia207 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:28 TemujinGK wrote: Yeah I understand this, but since he was such a legend in Broodwar and he just made his appearance I thought it would be worth the new thread. Of course a mod can close it if it is too redundant x.x. A legend in BW? What? He was good. But having a 50% winrate does not make you a legend. He was an A class player, and only very briefly. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
Are you kidding? Compared to most of the pros (execpt for maybe Nada, July & Boxer) he is deifitnly a legend. The master of timing attacks is here! edit: during his prime he had way more than 50% win rate | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Still not convinced he's going to be anything more than just another good terran in sc2 though. | ||
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Dominico
Canada678 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:34 ThePhan2m wrote: Are you kidding? Compared to most of the pros (execpt for maybe Nada, July & Boxer) he is deifitnly a legend. The master of timing attacks is here! edit: during his prime he had way more than 50% win rate it's honestly extremely hard to tell if you're joking or not. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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ThE)ShoWTimE
Italy213 Posts
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:37 Dominico wrote: it's honestly extremely hard to tell if you're joking or not. I'm not joking. It depends on who you are comparing him to. But compared to any other former BW player like Puma, MC or MvP, ForGG is definitly a legend. Compared to Jaedong, Bisu & Flash, maybe not. Though he is definitly a legend when it comes to timing attacks, and one of my favorite Terrans (as you can see ^^) | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
The circle is COMPLETE ![[image loading]](http://synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/emperor.jpg) Join the Starcraft II side... | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:52 ThePhan2m wrote: I'm not joking. It depends on who you are comparing him to. But compared to any other former BW player like Puma, MC or MvP, ForGG is definitly a legend. Compared to Jaedong, Bisu & Flash, maybe not. Though he is definitly a legend when it comes to timing attacks, and one of my favorite Terrans (as you can see ^^)Compared to Puma MC or MVP ForGG is definitely a bonjwa. Compared to Jaedong Bisu and Flash hes maybe not bonjwa. In SC2 he may be not a bonjwa like Stephano but if he wins Code A he would definitely join all the other current bonjwas like MVP and Nestea. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:00 antilyon wrote: bisu and fantasy playing SC2 for fun on one of the stands...you know, probably for fun. Yeah, I'm pretty sure a lot of former and current BW pros have played SC2 at least casually. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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nick1689
Australia494 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:52 ThePhan2m wrote: I'm not joking. It depends on who you are comparing him to. But compared to any other former BW player like Puma, MC or MvP, ForGG is definitly a legend. Compared to Jaedong, Bisu & Flash, maybe not. Though he is definitly a legend when it comes to timing attacks, and one of my favorite Terrans (as you can see ^^)nice thinking of "legends" there is not "if u do that he can become a legend" just because there are players that are 346537845times worse then him (and he is still just average/bit above average) doesnt mean he is a legend Oo and plz stop throwing bonjwa around so freaking much. | ||
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Slyce
United Kingdom173 Posts
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
legend = legendary = godly good at some point in time. and while forgg was pretty close to it in his prime shape----not quite there imo, and too short of a stretch of time, so i really wouldn't go calling him a 'legend' exactly. forgg has been playing sc2 for a long while now, i'd say atleast 4 months surely has the talent though to show some great comeback games at some point : D | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? with some practice, godly | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? look who the current top players are. I think the expectation has some merits.. | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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truewt
Singapore121 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? As the above posters, yes. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
I am quivering with excitement to see what other top BW switchers can do | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Otherwise, of course congratulations and well done! | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Other than that, it's awesome to see ForGG making it through. I look forward to his GSL career. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:52 ThePhan2m wrote: I'm not joking. It depends on who you are comparing him to. But compared to any other former BW player like Puma, MC or MvP, ForGG is definitly a legend. Compared to Jaedong, Bisu & Flash, maybe not. Though he is definitly a legend when it comes to timing attacks, and one of my favorite Terrans (as you can see ^^)How many legends are there in broodwar then? 50? Saying ForGG is a legend really devalues the term. ForGG is like a one hit wonder. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? the reason why it's hard to understand may be because of all the different skills needed in SC1------and it certainly wasn't easy to understand how amazing some of the players were until you actually got to trying to mimic their play and the situations they create. i can't exactly paint a picture for you, but game-sense//star-sense is a gigantic asset for a player. a little corny---but if you know about the gundam series, LOL... it's like being a new-type and being able to foresee, predict, and react near-perfectly despite actually seeing very little (or what would seem like it to others). you don't lose the feeling/ideas of game-sense easily. and even if you don't have it, you have the experience of having had it before, and so you'll want to attain it again. obviously it's not an otherworldly talent and such, and the current pros have built up so much experience that they have a gigantic advantage.... but maybe think of, a renowned painter going into a charcoal medium class, or clay pottery---anything on those lines. when it comes to the entire learning process and producing work, there will be steps along the way that are completely natural, such as painting the pottery or having to use a finish. i can only imagine that an accomplished pro has amazing standards for themself. guess what happens when their skill boundaries are being forcibly pushed? it's not just fandom or wanting these players to do well. there's also an (sometimes) inexplicable feeling that if these players switched, they certainly wouldn't let their previous fans down, or themselves either. so once again, it's natural to expect good things from them. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
A fucking legend killer. | ||
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Slyce
United Kingdom173 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:13 me_viet wrote: look who the current top players are. I think the expectation has some merits.. I see the general feeling here is yes totally. But they are considered very different games and I know lots of people say 'oh well sc2 is ezmode' I don't buy into that, maybe because I wanna believe I am a better RTS player than I am or maybe because they are rather different mechanically. I wish this guy all the best anyway and I will stop derailing this thread with my confusion now. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Well, i'm a SC2 fan but i caught the proleague ace match, flash vs best. It looked like a normal game of sc2 to me until i remembered that they can't select more than a certain amount of units per control group, have to move their own scvs to the minerals, and have to friggin click on their buildings to produce stuff, and they still are able to play this game as fluid and with as much action as a SC2 pro game. Then i finally realised how godly these guys will be if they transferred over and understood the game. | ||
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Kaelaris
United Kingdom788 Posts
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
forgg fighting! | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:25 poorcloud wrote: Well, i'm a SC2 fan but i caught the proleague ace match, flash vs best. It looked like a normal game of sc2 to me until i remembered that they can't select more than a certain amount of units per control group, have to move their own scvs to the minerals, and have to friggin click on their buildings to produce stuff, and they still are able to play this game as fluid and with as much action as a SC2 pro game. Then i finally realised how godly these guys will be if they transferred over and understood the game. But that's also the same reason why it could be possible that these guys don't dominate as much as in BW. Because the skill gap gets smaller due to MBS, automine, >12 units selection. Still the mechanics translate easier and these guys would definitely be doing very well in SC2. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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Archie_Lewis
Czech Republic87 Posts
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WaSa
Sweden749 Posts
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? If one of your favorite players switches to another game, wouldn't you be excited to watch them play a game you like as well? Ofuckingcourse you would! I'm really looking forward to his upcoming games. Someone already explained why people think BW players will be explained and I'm too lazy to do it too so yeah I more so know than think that BW players will be not instantly amazing, but will be amazing pretty quickly. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
hope he does well and other broodwar players switch over to sc2 | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:32 WaSa wrote: So what race did he pick up? What kind of player is he if anyone knows? If he truly is a legend AND a macro intensive player, he MUST pick Zerg! (everything else is s waste) :D he's a T. He was known for his EXTREMELY strong timing attacks. If that translates over to sc2 as well... | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
With Bisu and Fantasy playing Starcraft 2 at Blizzcon, the KT house getting all new computers and displays that have the components needed for starcraft 2, who are we going to see next? no need for sensationalism gl hf ForGG | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
Also another terrible assumption is that people think BW players will give a fuck about Code A/S when they swap over to SC2 | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:52 ThePhan2m wrote: I'm not joking. It depends on who you are comparing him to. But compared to any other former BW player like Puma, MC or MvP, ForGG is definitly a legend. Compared to Jaedong, Bisu & Flash, maybe not. Though he is definitly a legend when it comes to timing attacks, and one of my favorite Terrans (as you can see ^^)You're using the term 'legend' way too lightly. A legend is something that stands out and holds weight on its own, not just comparatively. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:24 Slyce wrote: I see the general feeling here is yes totally. But they are considered very different games and I know lots of people say 'oh well sc2 is ezmode' I don't buy into that, maybe because I wanna believe I am a better RTS player than I am or maybe because they are rather different mechanically. I wish this guy all the best anyway and I will stop derailing this thread with my confusion now. lets just give you one more example for your own point (that the games are in fact very different, etc.) zergbong, a.k.a nestea when tastosis first saw him playing in GSL and certainly when many fans of BW were watching those games, we were totally expecting him to bomb out the way he did in the early seasons. i'm guessing practically noone was owing that fact (that he wouldn't play so well) to how the games were different, and had poor expectations of him because of his performance in BW. some people were still overlooking the fact that he was a team captain of KTF for a long time, or that he predominantly played 2v2 only. i think he said somewhere in an interview that he concentrated on 2v2 rather than 1v1, and the transition to the latter was very disappointing and somewhat awkward for him. some people who knew him also said he had a very good practice mentality, and thought he would do a lot better if he had devoted himself to 1v1 from the very start. skip a couple months into the later open seasons of GSL and nestea is wowing tastosis, and finally steals artosis' heart when he acheives somewhat of a royal road only after participating in a few seasons of GSL. this was completely unexpected, and i'm getting unecessary long-winded, but i hope you understand that our expectations of zergbong as a player wasn't completely baseless, nor was that opinion completely educated. some of us just refused to see how he could be accepted as a team captain of one of the strongest teams. to restate my point earlier in a different way, a player only stays on top for as long as the player continues to evolve and increase/lengthen his level. a player who dominates has all the key features in his practice and play which makes him hard to surmount. if you would take the dominant players of sc1 and shove them onto sc2, you would have a convincing base of a player who would perform well no matter what. i think it's slightly more this, than all the elitism about sc2 just being a dumbed down game. the elitism might just be something that asserts that some people don't, and won't understand the game that the players hold close to themselves. the pros aren't there for the sole purpose of proving that they can play a -simpler- game at a higher level than others (people whos experience in RTS pales in comparison to them). i also think it's kind of disrespectful to think it's part of the pro's perspective. i'd just ignore it and try to be indifferent to all the extreme comments that people make to that whole BW vs sc2 stuff Lol... | ||
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simansh
257 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:38 Milkis wrote: Also another terrible assumption is that people think BW players will give a fuck about Code A/S when they swap over to SC2 What do you mean with this? | ||
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Thug[ro]
Romania340 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:37 me_viet wrote: he's a T. He was known for his EXTREMELY strong timing attacks. If that translates over to sc2 as well... He plays exactly like any other Terran. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
OGN will probably have its own league | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
The way I interpret it is: "BW players are dirty-rich, thus they do not care whether they are competing for ~$40,000USD (?) or a measly code A stipend". Which seems strange because if it were me, I would want to compete for more money regardless of how much money I already have. As a BW pro I would also want to play the upper tier of competition in SC2 regardless of the fact that I'm allegedly already the "upper tier (via BW experience, assuming the little being good at BW = god at SC2 thing)". I would want to show everyone just how easy it is for SC2 to be dominated by BW gods! | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:36 WArped wrote: He was pretty quick to qualify. Certainly quicker than Yellow How is he doing btw ? Last time I saw him on some tv program trying to make it to code A but not managing. | ||
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Fake)Plants
United States373 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:53 ViperPL wrote: Certainly quicker than Yellow How is he doing btw ? Last time I saw him on some tv program trying to make it to code A but not managing.Think yellow gave up on the game  Don't think hes gonna try qualifying again cause i never heard any news from him.Well ForGG is a better player than yellow anyways, so i wouldn't be surprised that he qualified so quickly. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
He lost in the quarter finals of the ESV Weekly Finals where Squirtle booked his ticket, glad to see he made it now. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:28 thOr6136 wrote: WOOT if kt switches~~!!! forgg fighting! If they do I will cry myself to sleep... KT! ;_; | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:50 FallDownMarigold wrote: The way I interpret it is: "BW players are dirty-rich, thus they do not care whether they are competing for ~$40,000USD (?) or a measly code A stipend". Which seems strange because if it were me, I would want to compete for more money regardless of how much money I already have. As a BW pro I would also want to play the upper tier of competition in SC2 regardless of the fact that I'm allegedly already the "upper tier (via BW experience, assuming the little being good at BW = god at SC2 thing)". I would want to show everyone just how easy it is for SC2 to be dominated by BW gods! I agree with you completly, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.. :/ | ||
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
when the players pick up the game and test themselves against all the other existing pros, the results they'll have in code A & S won't be the entire story of the beginning of their career w/ the game. there might be other leagues//a proleague for teams, and there might be fans who had expected better results in the current A/S... and so letting the negativity affect their progress could be something they couldn't care less about. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:59 Iplaythings wrote: If they do I will cry myself to sleep... KT! ;_; Hush,don't upset yourself over wild claims. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
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j0ker
275 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:38 Milkis wrote: OMG this A teamer BW pro who was about to be demoted into the KT B team made it past code A! Also another terrible assumption is that people think BW players will give a fuck about Code A/S when they swap over to SC2 why would they not give a fuck about making it to code s? do they not enjoy winning or money? it may not be as important to them as some fringe sc2 player who would love the code s stipend, but saying they dont give a fuck at all is silly. | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
The maps were not very good. On top of that there was a weird patch so it was really difficult. However I'm happy that my hard work paid off in results. Which match was the hardest today? The final match against wOn was the hardest. First off the maps were not Terran favoured. I'm not sure if it's because they're trying to tweak the balance, but it's changed for the worse for Terrans. They should have changed the Code S maps first, I don't know why they changed the Code A maps first. So that made it difficult for me. It hasn't even been a month since you announced you were making the switch to SC2. Are you happy with the speed with which you are Conquering? This qualifier is the last one this year so I didn't want to miss this opportunity. If I didn't make it I wouldn't have the chance to play this year, but it worked out the way I wanted. Out of all the players who switched from BW you are the one with the most recent championship so a lot of fans are looking forward to how you do. I am aware of the fan's anticipations. However the time that I won was short and it was a long time ago so I don't remember it anymore. I want to return to my roots and play games. You chose oGs because of your connection with oGsGon. But he is entering the army soon. I am a little disappointed, but it's not like he's leaving as soon as I joined. Now I'm somewhat settled in with my teammates so I don't have any worries. He is getting up there in age so I'm hoping he settles into the military life well. Terrans are playing the part of the villains in the GSL. You are also a Terran, does that matter to you? It doesn't matter. Terran players prepare to win so there ends up being all-ins and strong builds, but it was unfortunate that all they get in return is criticism. I'm also a gamer and a Terran so I could empathize with them. Thanks to the changes to the format the qualifiers and even getting into Code S have gotten a little easier. I think it worked out well for me. It's a format that allows Code A players to have an easier time of moving up. For now I'm just satisfied with making it into the GSL and I will be working towards my next goal. What is your first Code A goal? For now it's getting into Code S. You'll be starting from Code A but is there anyone you want to face in Code S? If I get the chance I hope to play with Nestea hyung. Before I joined oGs I played against Nestea-hyung to try and understand the TvZ match up and I ended up losing every game. I've gotten a bit better at TvZ so I want to face him again. How long do you think it will take before you conquer SC2? I have no idea either. If I had some game sense I wouldn't be nervous at all and playing in official matches wouldn't be much of a burden, but right now my understanding of the game is still not that great compared to BW so I'm not sure. However I think it might be possible within one year. What is your ultimate goal that you want to achieve with your switch to SC2? For now winning Code S is my biggest goal. I haven't set any other detailed goals other than that. I'm thinking of just taking it one match at a time in preparation. Is there anything you'd like to say before we end this interview? Today is my mother's brithday. Thankfully I was able to win and do an interview. Happy birthday mother. And oGsGon-hyung has decided to go to the army. I was able to join oGs thanks to oGsGon, but it's not like he's leaving permanently so I hope he takes care of himself. In the real deal I beg that the maps are a bit more balanced. I am the only Terran that made it through today. It's way too harsh. Lastly, thank you to our sponsors Mom's Touch and Corsair. Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=895539&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= | ||
GTR
51497 Posts
How long do you think it will take before you conquer SC2? I have no idea either. If I had some game sense I wouldn't be nervous at all and playing in official matches wouldn't be much of a burden, but right now my understanding of the game is still not that great compared to BW so I'm not sure. However I think it might be possible within one year. oh you sly interviewers | ||
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MentalGNT
Denmark1264 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
that's in the actual article :p | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:07 Clefairy wrote: You made it through the Code A qualifiers on your first try. The maps were not very good. On top of that there was a weird patch so it was really difficult. However I'm happy that my hard work paid off in results. Which match was the hardest today? The final match against wOn was the hardest. First off the maps were not Terran favoured. I'm not sure if it's because they're trying to tweak the balance, but it's changed for the worse for Terrans. They should have changed the Code S maps first, I don't know why they changed the Code A maps first. So that made it difficult for me. It hasn't even been a month since you announced you were making the switch to SC2. Are you happy with the speed with which you are Conquering? This qualifier is the last one this year so I didn't want to miss this opportunity. If I didn't make it I wouldn't have the chance to play this year, but it worked out the way I wanted. Out of all the players who switched from BW you are the one with the most recent championship so a lot of fans are looking forward to how you do. I am aware of the fan's anticipations. However the time that I won was short and it was a long time ago so I don't remember it anymore. I want to return to my roots and play games. You chose oGs because of your connection with oGsGon. But he is entering the army soon. I am a little disappointed, but it's not like he's leaving as soon as I joined. Now I'm somewhat settled in with my teammates so I don't have any worries. He is getting up there in age so I'm hoping he settles into the military life well. Terrans are playing the part of the villains in the GSL. You are also a Terran, does that matter to you? It doesn't matter. Terran players prepare to win so there ends up being all-ins and strong builds, but it was unfortunate that all they get in return is criticism. I'm also a gamer and a Terran so I could empathize with them. Thanks to the changes to the format the qualifiers and even getting into Code S have gotten a little easier. I think it worked out well for me. It's a format that allows Code A players to have an easier time of moving up. For now I'm just satisfied with making it into the GSL and I will be working towards my next goal. What is your first Code A goal? For now it's getting into Code S. You'll be starting from Code A but is there anyone you want to face in Code S? If I get the chance I hope to play with Nestea hyung. Before I joined oGs I played against Nestea-hyung to try and understand the TvZ match up and I ended up losing every game. I've gotten a bit better at TvZ so I want to face him again. How long do you think it will take before you conquer SC2? I have no idea either. If I had some game sense I wouldn't be nervous at all and playing in official matches wouldn't be much of a burden, but right now my understanding of the game is still not that great compared to BW so I'm not sure. However I think it might be possible within one year. What is your ultimate goal that you want to achieve with your switch to SC2? For now winning Code S is my biggest goal. I haven't set any other detailed goals other than that. I'm thinking of just taking it one match at a time in preparation. Is there anything you'd like to say before we end this interview? Today is my mother's brithday. Thankfully I was able to win and do an interview. Happy birthday mother. And oGsGon-hyung has decided to go to the army. I was able to join oGs thanks to oGsGon, but it's not like he's leaving permanently so I hope he takes care of himself. In the real deal I beg that the maps are a bit more balanced. I am the only Terran that made it through today. It's way too harsh. Lastly, thank you to our sponsors Mom's Touch and Corsair. Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=895539&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= Wow nestea owned him. But i agree with what he said, the terrans may be owning code S but its unfair to make the maps in code A so stacked against Terrans who may be deserving. There are still a lot of mediocre terrans in code S who should be knocked out instead and let other more deserving players of all races take over. Not try to force only protosses/zergs into code A. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:12 BansheeDK wrote: Thank you for the interview. What does Hyung mean? I guess its some kind of respectful way to adress NesTea. Forgg is close with Nestea since they were on the same BW team, so he calls him hyung, which means older brother. | ||
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GTR
51497 Posts
oh i meant oh you sly interviewers ;; | ||
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MentalGNT
Denmark1264 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:14 zyzq wrote: Forgg is close with Nestea since they were on the same BW team, so he calls him hyung, which means older brother. I see. Thanks ^^ | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:07 Clefairy wrote: Is there anything you'd like to say before we end this interview? Today is my mother's brithday. Thankfully I was able to win and do an interview. Happy birthday mother. And oGsGon-hyung has decided to go to the army. I was able to join oGs thanks to oGsGon, but it's not like he's leaving permanently so I hope he takes care of himself. In the real deal I beg that the maps are a bit more balanced. I am the only Terran that made it through today. It's way too harsh. Lastly, thank you to our sponsors Mom's Touch and Corsair. Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=895539&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= I think that's GOMTvT trying their best to rename themselves. This at least proves that he's pretty good if he's the only one to make it through. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Wishing him the best in his upcoming Code A run. I honestly believe he's at the top 4 and then advance to Code S pretty soon. BW-trained mechanics + new timing attacks, yay! | ||
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Tigi
Germany472 Posts
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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StarStruck
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I'm not surprised at all. The work ethic is about to pick up. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
In the real deal I beg that the maps are a bit more balanced. I am the only Terran that made it through today. It's way too harsh. ![[image loading]](http://i34.tinypic.com/33ykvbd.jpg) That's all I have to say... | ||
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Spacekyod
United States818 Posts
Second, I don't even know where to start. I felt like one of the BW faithful and i was reading this in the BW section. I have to side with everyone saying fOrGG was not a legend. He wasn't even S class!!! I view him more as a shooting star. Definitely a noteworthy player, but he had his time to shine and was already fading if not fizzled out. Next, everyone still super hyping him up or speculating about it. I've watched all his games (and you should too, ESV broadcasts are up in their twitch tv account) that i could for the ESV weekly and he is not super impressive. He still makes A LOT of mistakes. The KT thing i'll only touch on since it's hard to say from an outside perspective, but the main point is, there is still more money in BW than in SC2. Why would you drop a guaranteed large paycheck (talking about their top players here)?? | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:41 corumjhaelen wrote: Seems is doing all right but... That's all I have to say... He still beat Flash, no TvT imba there. As for Jaedong...ewww these mapps | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:41 corumjhaelen wrote: Seems is doing all right but... That's all I have to say... Sorry don't understand. These maps don't seem familiar at all? | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:46 Micket wrote: He still beat Flash, no TvT imba there. As for Jaedong...ewww these mapps My point is not that he did not deserve to win that MSL, he was extremely good at the time, and he would have had a good chance against Jaedong regardless. My point is that ForGG complaining about map imba is a huge joke =) | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:37 me_viet wrote: he's a T. He was known for his EXTREMELY strong timing attacks. If that translates over to sc2 as well... forGG statment was like: he started playing as protoss, but found them fucking weak, so he switched to terran and now when he trained so much that a transition is to late he wish he would play zerg, cause for him he think zerg is the strongest race so you both right in some way ^^ even he thinks he should be zerg | ||
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Jumbled
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On October 26 2011 22:13 poorcloud wrote: But i agree with what he said, the terrans may be owning code S but its unfair to make the maps in code A so stacked against Terrans who may be deserving. There are still a lot of mediocre terrans in code S who should be knocked out instead and let other more deserving players of all races take over. Not try to force only protosses/zergs into code A. Don't take it too much to heart - virtually every pro-gamer lobbies for their own race to have it a little easier. A single day's qualifying doesn't prove anything regarding map or patch balance. | ||
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Spuick
Norway357 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:47 poorcloud wrote: Sorry don't understand. These maps don't seem familiar at all? If I'm not mistaken these are the maps Jaedong had to BO5 ForGG on in sc bw when ForGG won his msl. | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? hmm yes they're not "really good players" they're korean bw progamers they're a very unique species that evovled for 10 years with pure ramen diet and under blue light in dark rooms | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:47 poorcloud wrote: Sorry don't understand. These maps don't seem familiar at all? He won his lone title vs Jaedong playing in some ridiculously terran favored maps. | ||
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Norway5211 Posts
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United States114 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On October 26 2011 23:38 dubRa wrote: this is not news worthy in my opinion how so ? | ||
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United States2106 Posts
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Finland27 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On October 26 2011 23:38 dubRa wrote: this is not news worthy in my opinion I agree, its a whole different ballgame (look when boxer has fallen too). Im way more exited for creator and guinnea making it in. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
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JoRoSaR
United Kingdom143 Posts
So happy for ForGG. I thought it was a shame when he got dumped out of the Korean Weekly but very glad he managed to brave it through the Code A qualifiers and earn himself a spot! SUPER excited to see his play in the coming season. | ||
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ElusoryX
Singapore2047 Posts
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Look who the best players in the world right now (mvp, nestea, etc.) and guess what they were. *Gasp* Bw players! Wow I'm so smart. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On October 26 2011 23:47 rysecake wrote: Look who the best players in the world right now (mvp, nestea, etc.) and guess what they were. *Gasp* Bw players! Wow I'm so smart. Haha~silly logic by that previous poster >.> | ||
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Out of all the players who switched from BW you are the one with the most recent championship so a lot of fans are looking forward to how you do. I am aware of the fan's anticipations. However the time that I won was short and it was a long time ago so I don't remember it anymore. I want to return to my roots and play games. So I looked it up because I was next to positive July won his golden mouse vs Best more recently but apparently his OSL and forgg's MSL were in exactly the same month but indeed the MSL was more recent On October 26 2011 22:47 poorcloud wrote: Sorry don't understand. These maps don't seem familiar at all? These are the maps forgg beat Jaedong on in the final and the TvZ win %s. They are Colosseum, Othello, Tiamat, Athena and Colosseum again (though it was 3-0 so they didn't get to Athena) | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On October 26 2011 23:51 Jedclark wrote: Already? Jesus. What race does he play? Hopefully Protoss to spice things up. He's Terran I'm afraid | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On October 26 2011 23:51 Jedclark wrote: Already? Jesus. What race does he play? Hopefully Protoss to spice things up. Terran. Surprise! | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Zephirdd wrote: If the KT house decides to switch to SC2... The current scene is doomed. Yeah because winning 2 SPL titles is not good enough! | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:04 Sfydjklm wrote: Compared to Puma MC or MVP ForGG is definitely a bonjwa. Compared to Jaedong Bisu and Flash hes maybe not bonjwa. In SC2 he may be not a bonjwa like Stephano but if he wins Code A he would definitely join all the other current bonjwas like MVP and Nestea. this post is seriously full of lolz. yeah stephano is a bonjwa lololol | ||
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United States18282 Posts
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RHMVNovus
United States738 Posts
On October 26 2011 23:47 rysecake wrote: Look who the best players in the world right now (mvp, nestea, etc.) and guess what they were. *Gasp* Bw players! Wow I'm so smart. Julian was a Roman Emperor Julian was an Athenian Student - Therefore, Athenian Students are all Roman Emperors. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On October 26 2011 23:29 T.O.P. wrote: He won his lone title vs Jaedong playing in some ridiculously terran favored maps. That being said, he killed both Sea, Flash, and Kal on the way. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:01 RHMVNovus wrote: Julian was a Roman Emperor Julian was an Athenian Student - Therefore, Athenian Students are all Roman Emperors. you absolutely don't understand what you read or study do you ? | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:34 ThePhan2m wrote: Are you kidding? Compared to most of the pros (execpt for maybe Nada, July & Boxer) he is deifitnly a legend. The master of timing attacks is here! edit: during his prime he had way more than 50% win rate Nal_ra, garimto, boxer, july, nada, bisu, jaedong, flash, stork, fantasy, reach,savior, and maybe kingdom That is what I would consider legends, maybe I'm missing someone. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:06 DreamOen wrote: Nal_ra, garimto, boxer, july, nada, bisu, jaedong, flash, stork, fantasy, reach,savior, and maybe kingdom That is what I would consider legends, maybe I'm missing someone. What about Grrrr? | ||
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samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
It was inevitable. Impending demise is coming to BW. Sad, yet happy, because I will see all the amazing BW players in GSL | ||
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United States297 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
Grrr is a legend for the foreigner because he was one of the first foreign pro and one of the most successful but he never achieved as much as those guys ... I'd add iloveoov, xellos and chojja in the list. | ||
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Maxtor
United Kingdom273 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:14 price wrote: i wonder if they will become SC2 legends. nada, boxer, and july are on the legend list above and although they are good, they don't really stand up to bomber, mvp, and nestea in terms of sc2 wins I really do hope he can, and considering how fast he got into code A with the difficulty it presents at the moment, i think he will. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
I don't see oov in there.. Regardless, cool news, cooler news for the SC2 scene about KT. | ||
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Sweden211 Posts
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raviy
Australia207 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:06 DreamOen wrote: Nal_ra, garimto, boxer, july, nada, bisu, jaedong, flash, stork, fantasy, reach,savior, and maybe kingdom That is what I would consider legends, maybe I'm missing someone. dude... yellow.. and I'd put xellos in there too for good measure. edit: oov! chojja! anytime! | ||
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Italy1118 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
Banana Terran! ForGG could be a legend in a same way, Jangbi's run was legendary, but in BW most people care about time of dominance/ winrates. So thats why its hard to call him a legend with people mentioned above who were known for periods of dominance(bonjwa/TBLS for example). But you can say ForGG's achievement was somewhat legendary for his own capabilities (beating 1best current player for each race and winning starleague). Semantics | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
WTF happened to yellow did he even try to requalify? | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Juaks
United States384 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:06 DreamOen wrote: Nal_ra, garimto, boxer, july, nada, bisu, jaedong, flash, stork, fantasy, reach,savior, and maybe kingdom That is what I would consider legends, maybe I'm missing someone. Xellos and Iloveoov | ||
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lollyz
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On October 27 2011 00:06 DreamOen wrote: Nal_ra, garimto, boxer, july, nada, bisu, jaedong, flash, stork, fantasy, reach,savior, and maybe kingdom That is what I would consider legends, maybe I'm missing someone. Iloveoov ??? | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:27 bgx wrote: Banana Terran! ForGG could be a legend in a same way, Jangbi's run was legendary, but in BW most people care about time of dominance/ winrates. So thats why its hard to call him a legend with people mentioned above who were known for periods of dominance(bonjwa/TBLS for example). But you can say ForGG's achievement was somewhat legendary for his own capabilities (beating 1best current player for each race and winning starleague). Semantics Jangbi is a legend. The guy has been to 3 finals and at one point considered the best protoss in the world. I'd put Jangbi as a top 5 all time protoss, while I can't even put Forgg in the top 10 terrans of all time. | ||
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Sweden375 Posts
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Afmug
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:23 raviy wrote: dude... yellow.. and I'd put xellos in there too for good measure. edit: oov! chojja! anytime! Come on guys, you can't possibly talk about BW legends and not mention FBH, albeit for the wrong reasons orz | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:45 Afmug wrote: I am sorry for being completely oblivious when it comes to Korean Brood War but does this mean that some of the best Brood War pros are coming to Starcraft 2? Was fOrGG any good? I don't think any BW pros who switch are extremely competitive right now. If they were, they would have little motivation to switch; after all, if they bomb out in sc2, they would lose out monetarily. forgg was good at the peak of his career, but he was going to be a non-A team player soon. Think of this as the equivalent as a Code B player, I suppose. | ||
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ETisME
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On October 27 2011 00:43 Krogan wrote: It is incredibly cute how BW fans think this somehow proves something, I watch sc2 because its the best game (imo) not because of it having the best players or not. I kind of agree with this, I personally think bw would be a more fun game to watch but the current scene, sc2 is just so much more stuff going on and international | ||
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mr.grimm
Sweden63 Posts
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:45 Afmug wrote: I am sorry for being completely oblivious when it comes to Korean Brood War but does this mean that some of the best Brood War pros are coming to Starcraft 2? Was fOrGG any good? He 3-0'd jaedong (the best zerg to touch the game, and at many times the best player in the scene) in a final. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Zephirdd wrote: If the KT house decides to switch to SC2... The current scene is doomed. !!! ... Is this just fan speculation or are there many many many hints from KT house there might be a switching??? And, hmm... I wan to catch Flash in SC2 action! Just a glimpse would do... Seen Bisu, Fantasy play abit and generate so much talk and speculation about them in another thread. Make me feel sad they didnt mention Flash  | ||
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zakmaa
Canada525 Posts
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Cadence
China33 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:27 Herculix wrote: it will be like the great flood sweeping away all the blasphemous meatbags so that the chosen ones can descend from the ark and create a luscious, new world of purity and greatness. I think I'm going to cry out of joy..... | ||
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Deezl
United States355 Posts
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
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sopas
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human_ko
Russian Federation676 Posts
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EricCartman
Canada306 Posts
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
It's really cool to see ForGG get into Code A though. Not wholly unexpected considering he's been playing pretty well on ladder and in the ESV tourneys. | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:47 Eishi_Ki wrote: Come on guys, you can't possibly talk about BW legends and not mention FBH, albeit for the wrong reasons orz Remember, it may be Bisu who defeated Savior, but it was FBH who crushed his soul. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
At least if Flash wins everything we don't have to blame Terran, we can just blame god himself. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:54 beachbeachy wrote: He 3-0'd jaedong (the best zerg to touch the game, and at many times the best player in the scene) in a final. In the most Terran map biased MSL in the most recent 5 years T_T. | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
On October 27 2011 01:01 Deezl wrote: What really scares me is that the young SC2 scene outside of Code S can't stand before the old SC1 progamers who've had just a few months to practice. fOrGG has been playing since January so he's basically on an even playing field with everyone else. | ||
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ViLiFi
Netherlands11 Posts
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
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SaetZero
United States855 Posts
Super excitement! | ||
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
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DarkRise
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hehe jk :D | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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Norway1567 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On October 27 2011 01:03 human_ko wrote: omg it would be omg if bisu was on gsl, i would cry on his matches omg :D I hear Bisu said he would switch the day he wins an OSL. + Show Spoiler + HA! | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
If they need new computers, obviously they are going to get computers strong enough to run SC2 with widescreen monitors (because one day, they will inevitably start a SC2 team). All this means is that they have the capability to start one... | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
Expected ForGG to kick some ass having 3 accounts in Korea's GM top 20 with 70%+ winrates is better than what even many code S players are putting up. The guy is a training machine, BW A-Team work ethic in Sc2 = World Champ. | ||
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United States1915 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:27 Herculix wrote: it will be like the great flood sweeping away all the blasphemous meatbags so that the chosen ones can descend from the ark and create a luscious, new world of purity and greatness. Best fucking Analogy ever! | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Yes. The skills translate from bw to sc2 seamlessly. MVP and Nestea I believe were the best bw players that have been playing sc2 and look at their success. Guys like Puma, Idra, MC were just B teamers and look how good they are in sc2. There is no reason on any level to think anybody who was good at bw would suck at sc2. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:04 jj33 wrote: Yes. The skills translate from bw to sc2 seamlessly. MVP and Nestea I believe were the best bw players that have been playing sc2 and look at their success. Guys like Puma, Idra, MC were just B teamers and look how good they are in sc2. There is no reason on any level to think anybody who was good at bw would suck at sc2. Not nestea, and it still took them awhile. It'll still take time. | ||
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Sweden271 Posts
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Remb
United States190 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:04 jj33 wrote: Yes. The skills translate from bw to sc2 seamlessly. MVP and Nestea I believe were the best bw players that have been playing sc2 and look at their success. Guys like Puma, Idra, MC were just B teamers and look how good they are in sc2. There is no reason on any level to think anybody who was good at bw would suck at sc2. Except Yellow, Right? Oh, Nada is pretty mediocre at the moment, despite his multitude of accomplishments. July yet to take even a finals, I believe. Nestea, MVP, DRG, MMA etc etc were B-Teamers. They probably started practicing as soon as the beta hit. That's why they got so good. *Embraces the incoming flames of hatred* | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:14 Remb wrote: Except Yellow, Right? Oh, Nada is pretty mediocre at the moment, despite his multitude of accomplishments. July yet to take even a finals, I believe. Nestea, MVP, DRG, MMA etc etc were B-Teamers. They probably started practicing as soon as the beta hit. That's why they got so good. *Embraces the incoming flames of hatred* Yellow spent what, a fews on SC2? Nada is not mediocre, he is doing amazing for playing during his college studies. July is a top SC2 zerg. Lots of other players started practicing at beta too. Are they better than MVP, Nestea, DRG, MMA, or July? No. | ||
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Norway189 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:14 Remb wrote: Except Yellow, Right? Oh, Nada is pretty mediocre at the moment, despite his multitude of accomplishments. July yet to take even a finals, I believe. Nestea, MVP, DRG, MMA etc etc were B-Teamers. They probably started practicing as soon as the beta hit. That's why they got so good. *Embraces the incoming flames of hatred* Um Yellow Nada and maybe july were all starcraft 1 relics. They were nowhere close to being a teamers at the end of their BW career i believe. MVP and MMA were all closer to the A team than Nada Or yellow or probably July at the end of their BW careers. ForGG did well in the Flash/Jaedong era, which was after players like Nada/Boxer/Yellow had all their accomplishments and the skill level rose so high these old legends couldn't keep up. Thats why we are all so pumped about it. It means ForGG is at least as mechanically good as MVP. And we all know MVP is probably the best in terms of mechanics in SC2. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:14 Remb wrote: Except Yellow, Right? Oh, Nada is pretty mediocre at the moment, despite his multitude of accomplishments. July yet to take even a finals, I believe. Nestea, MVP, DRG, MMA etc etc were B-Teamers. They probably started practicing as soon as the beta hit. That's why they got so good. *Embraces the incoming flames of hatred* It's not necessarily about their accomplishments, but more like how recent their accomplishments were and their overall skill level at the time when they switched over. | ||
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goneim
China201 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:14 Remb wrote: Except Yellow, Right? Oh, Nada is pretty mediocre at the moment, despite his multitude of accomplishments. July yet to take even a finals, I believe. Nestea, MVP, DRG, MMA etc etc were B-Teamers. They probably started practicing as soon as the beta hit. That's why they got so good. *Embraces the incoming flames of hatred* I don't think Yellow had any real interest in SC2. Nada is focusing on university at the same time. Results-wise July is easily one of the best zergs and he often lost to really strong players, such as MVP, DRG, Bomber and MC. I won't commet on Nestea, MVP, DRG or MMA since I don't know and you're only speculating anyway without any evidence. But with that being said, I don't think the skills translate seamlessly. | ||
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hahaimhenry
Canada368 Posts
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Poopi
France12905 Posts
The fact that he is the only terran to qualify for code A is a good sign :D, terran is so hard / weak right now (a lot of good players like Hack, Shuttle (not sure) and Thebest didnt not qualify), I hope that he will still be able to go to code S in his first try. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:14 Remb wrote: Except Yellow, Right? Oh, Nada is pretty mediocre at the moment, despite his multitude of accomplishments. July yet to take even a finals, I believe. Nestea, MVP, DRG, MMA etc etc were B-Teamers. They probably started practicing as soon as the beta hit. That's why they got so good. *Embraces the incoming flames of hatred* MVP was an A-teamer. Get your facts right before spewing nonsense. | ||
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Emon_
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:14 Remb wrote: Except Yellow, Right? Oh, Nada is pretty mediocre at the moment, despite his multitude of accomplishments. July yet to take even a finals, I believe. Nestea, MVP, DRG, MMA etc etc were B-Teamers. They probably started practicing as soon as the beta hit. That's why they got so good. *Embraces the incoming flames of hatred* That's funny you said you're ready for incoming flames of hatred, when it seems in your post you're the one with the agression. I don't think I need to say anything, since it seems a bunch of people agree with me and have already responded to you. You haven't disproved anything I said. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:22 poorcloud wrote: Um Yellow Nada and maybe july were all starcraft 1 relics. They were nowhere close to being a teamers at the end of their BW career i believe. MVP and MMA were all closer to the A team than Nada Or yellow or probably July at the end of their BW careers. ForGG did well in the Flash/Jaedong era, which was after players like Nada/Boxer/Yellow had all their accomplishments and the skill level rose so high these old legends couldn't keep up. Thats why we are all so pumped about it. It means ForGG is at least as mechanically good as MVP. And we all know MVP is probably the best in terms of mechanics in SC2. I've never even heard of MMA until this year lol | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:43 Dreamer.T wrote: MVP was an A-teamer. Get your facts right before spewing nonsense. Yes, he's one of the few SCII players who have had the distinction of being able to take a game off God-Mode Flash in a starleague. | ||
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Considering the best players today are old BW players? Yes. Also forgot to mention that BW was harder to master mechanically, so if you could master BW you can master sc2. It's kind of like saying, oh this guy was really good at soccer. Do you think he'd make a good field goal kicker in American football? | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
That is incredible, I didn't believe that an A-team BW pro could truly rise to the top in that short of a time. If the highest tier switches at any point, god help us all. | ||
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote: Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:08 Aterons_toss wrote: I so much wanna see all the KT hose getting dominated and getting no Code S play this year and the year to come to stop all the ppl saying " A team pros will dominated everything once they switch". Keep dreaming. Gosi Terran's bw skill allowed him to quickly climb the sc2 ranks, imagine what KT is capable of. I'm guessing they will allow their A level players to practice and send Flash last if anything. Doesn't make sense to have your best player practice already if worse players could win thousands of Dollars for the team. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote: with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later. I been hoping it's sooner rather than later. Hopefully we can see Jaedong/flash/bisu sooner rather than later. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote: with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later. Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:19 SeaSwift wrote: Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No. Nestea | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:19 SeaSwift wrote: Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No. true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw. But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:19 SeaSwift wrote: Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No. I can't speak for Nada, but July gets pretty far in Code S all the time.. I'd probably rate him as one of the top 5 zergs in Korea.. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:23 jj33 wrote: true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw. But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive. I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it. But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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dde
Canada796 Posts
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:26 SeaSwift wrote: I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it. But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically. You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point. But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should. | ||
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keioh
France1099 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? If they can maintain the work ethic they learned from playing a game like BW then I'm certain they can find similar success with another RTS title. This wasn't instantaneous. fOrGG put a lot of time and effort into playing SC2 to make it this far. How do you think IdrA got to where he is today? Hard work. HuK? Hard work. If you have some talent and you blend it in with persistent practice you'll get some results eventually. It's a question of time. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote: Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. Why do people not do their research before saying something like this? ForGG has been at the top of the Korean ladder for multiple seasons in a row. He has three accounts that we know of in Korean GM (Fin, Raptor, Apex). He has been playing for a looooooooong time already. Honestly, "ForGG doesn't make Code A" would be far more surprising than "ForGG makes Code A." | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:11 MonkSEA wrote: forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched. By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol | ||
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
On October 27 2011 00:01 RHMVNovus wrote: Julian was a Roman Emperor Julian was an Athenian Student - Therefore, Athenian Students are all Roman Emperors. This doesn't work.... Anti logic doesn't work like that. For your argument to work that would have to mean that BW would have to be unrelated to sc2. A closer better would be Julian was a politician Julian was a Roman emperor Therefore all Roman emperors are politicians (which is not as black and white as your previous statement) | ||
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IMSmooth
United States679 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:28 jj33 wrote: You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point. But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should. Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play. On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^ | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Oz ftw | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:33 IMSmooth wrote: Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play. On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^ Agreed, I can't wait to see FORgg as well. He's a beast. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote: By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol He's been playing since last december i think | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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LXR
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I think it would be awesome if the KT house switches.. I want to see if they can switch easily or if the metagame advantage the current players have will be enough to keep it even. Maybe when HOTS comes out, it will be a sort of leveled playing field so maybe the BW will be more quick to change over? | ||
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Poopi
France12905 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:47 LXR wrote: Lol now it seems like all the BW hipsters are trying to show who knows more about him... I think it would be awesome if the KT house switches.. I want to see if they can switch easily or if the metagame advantage the current players have will be enough to keep it even. Maybe when HOTS comes out, it will be a sort of leveled playing field so maybe the BW will be more quick to change over? Mvp's first GSL was the second one I think, he got eliminated in the second and third, but he trained with NesTea to help him prepare his final against MarineKing, then he dominated for december to january, so it took him 2-3 months to become "great", even if he was scary as the top 1 on ladder since GSL 2 (or 3?). So it can take some time even for good players | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote: By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February. Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s | ||
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GunSec
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
Shows no games played or won, but he won several games in the ESV Weekly/Monthly, and the Code A qualifiers. Should be fixed. | ||
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
On October 27 2011 04:23 Vorenius wrote: He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February. Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s Nope, he started playing in Gold in January and got top Master in a week, he didn't treat the game seriously until he joined oGs. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On October 27 2011 04:33 Toppp wrote: Nope, he started playing in Gold in January and got top Master in a week, he didn't treat the game seriously until he joined oGs. That depends on your definition of seriously. I doubt anyone can get three accounts into GM, if they don't work for it. I also doubt that after training so long and hard in brood war he'd not bring some of that with him when playing SC2. | ||
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
That is to say, I do understand it in the sense that a lot of people think that the latter will happen in the near future, but for what reason is this something that belongs in the Community News and Headlines section of Team Liquid? The qualification of ForGG might by itself be noteworthy enough, he has a fairly large fanbase and it is an interesting point to make, also in light of him being the only Terran to make the cut on the first day of the qualifiers. But honestly, it would be a lot more sensible to keep the topics separate. I would imagine a lot of people will have an interest in the qualification, only to be thrown into another silly Brood War versus StarCraft II e-sports discussion. Edit: Mixed up Spotlight and Community News and Headlines. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:33 IMSmooth wrote: Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play. On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^ He really doesn't play a ton. It has been confirmed that he plays much less than others because of university. On October 27 2011 04:23 Vorenius wrote: He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February. Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s It didn't take him this long to make it. This is the first time he tried to. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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Trizz
Netherlands1318 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On October 27 2011 05:12 Alejandrisha wrote: im more excited about creator tbh :p Creator is gosu! He's good but he's going to be freaking scary once he gains more experience/matures some more. He's only 14 @_@! | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On October 27 2011 05:06 Trizz wrote: I think a lot of people are overhyping fOrGG, yes he beat Jaedong in a bo5 but when was this? People saying "RECENT". This was 2008, more than 3 years ago. Wasn't Jaedong super super good around that time, at least compared to now? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 27 2011 05:14 YoiChiBow wrote: Creator is gosu! He's good but he's going to be freaking scary once he gains more experience/matures some more. He's only 14 @_@! exactly my point! he could become so good really quickly. it's hard to believe he is so young. i'm definitely a big fan of his and can't wait to see what he can do in a year or 2.. or even sooner! | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
Also Creator!! A very promising player, I hope both of them do well! | ||
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IMSmooth
United States679 Posts
On October 27 2011 05:02 Squeegy wrote: He really doesn't play a ton. It has been confirmed that he plays much less than others because of university. It didn't take him this long to make it. This is the first time he tried to. It was also confirmed that he would break out this summer because he didnt have to focus on university. Although he has stayed consistent he hasnt made any huge strides over the course of the summer. | ||
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tsuxiit
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On October 27 2011 03:33 IMSmooth wrote: Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play. On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^ You guys do realize that Nada/July/Boxer started playing not soon after SC2 was out right? You're making it sound like, Nada just instantly appeared and got into GSL, well you know what? So did everyone else in the GSL back then because the game was new so it didn't take anyone "long" to get into Code S. If he had started playing a year after the game was released and other progamers actually had an advantage on him then what you're saying might mean something. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On October 27 2011 05:26 Bleak wrote: Wasn't Jaedong super super good around that time, at least compared to now? jaedong is still just as good if not better; other people have improved too though. His skill is the same, and his results are still amazing. Jaedong's peak was after the forgg finals as well (at least in tournament results; I don't know ELO stuff off-hand). To put in perspective, the 8 msls that happenedafter he lost to Never_V (forgg), jaedong made the finals in 3, and would have won all 3 if not for flash (1 gold, 2 silvers for JD). Making almost half the msl finals after losing to forgg certainly does not indicate falling off at all ("compared to now"). As well as winning 2 osl golds after losing to forgg. He isn't as dominant in results as he was in 2009 (where he beat flash in msl and won two osl golds back-to-back, all after forgg), but skill wise he is as good as ever. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On October 27 2011 05:36 IMSmooth wrote: It was also confirmed that he would break out this summer because he didnt have to focus on university. Although he has stayed consistent he hasnt made any huge strides over the course of the summer. That is not very relevant. He might have played more during the summer but that doesn't mean he is playing or has played a ton. Moreover, beside him struggling against protoss he took out quite a few of the very best of foreigners and Puma before losing to DRG in MLG Raleigh. Perhaps not waves, but quite impressive nonetheless. QUOTE]On October 27 2011 05:49 fraktoasters wrote: On October 27 2011 03:33 IMSmooth wrote: Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play. On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^ You guys do realize that Nada/July/Boxer started playing not soon after SC2 was out right? You're making it sound like, Nada just instantly appeared and got into GSL, well you know what? So did everyone else in the GSL back then because the game was new so it didn't take anyone "long" to get into Code S. If he had started playing a year after the game was released and other progamers actually had an advantage on him then what you're saying might mean something. [/QUOTE] Way to go forgetting about beta. Most people had had quite a bit of practise compared to Nada and Boxer. They quite literally just appeared and got into GSL. Now we have people arguing that guys like Grubby are still being handicapped despite starting not that much later than Nada and Boxer. | ||
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KoTakUEurO
605 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:36 TheBB wrote: He's not a legend. A noteworthy name, but not a legend. he's much better than any other recent BW players to come over, so I think he'll do pretty well. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
And I mean, he plays Terran. He's destined for code S anyway. | ||
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Censor
United States122 Posts
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MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
people always forget about julyzerg and his golden mouse | ||
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OgsStump
128 Posts
On October 27 2011 02:04 jj33 wrote: Yes. The skills translate from bw to sc2 seamlessly. MVP and Nestea I believe were the best bw players that have been playing sc2 and look at their success. Guys like Puma, Idra, MC were just B teamers and look how good they are in sc2. There is no reason on any level to think anybody who was good at bw would suck at sc2. Pretty sure you need to brush up on some history before you make posts like this. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On October 26 2011 22:41 corumjhaelen wrote: Seems is doing all right but... That's all I have to say... Jaedong. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
Still, one of my favorite terrans. But why did he change his name :/ | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:33 thepuppyassassin wrote: Not trying to be insensitive but I wish Blizzard would grant monetary incentives for more good Brood War pros to switch over, basically speed up the inevitable. Unless I'm mistaken, they practically built up the existing Sc2 scene in Korea by partnering with and probably subsidizing Gom. So I'm sure such a maneuver, other than being slightly more predatory, is not so far off the beaten path of what Blizzard is willing to do to ensure SC2's continued success. Can't think of any other reason for those 4 BW pros to have been at Blizzcon :X | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:21 Amui wrote: He'll be one of the people which nerves don't affect I would think. With so much stage experience behind him, he's unlikely to choke, and tbh, I've seen a lot of first timers in Code A choke. I think it is the opposite to be honest. He has a name to live up to but without the skill behind it (I'm sure he is really good, but not BW good). As such, I think he will be under more pressure than he is usually used to. Will be interesting to see how he does though. I'm more interested in his style than his results. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:29 ThePhan2m wrote: The end is now, for all the "semi pros" out there. Soon all currently Code A and most of Code S will be gone into Code B when the invation begins... :D Not sure what an "invation" is...... but that's completely false. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On October 27 2011 07:00 Mr Showtime wrote: Not sure what an "invation" is...... but that's completely false. Yeah I'm sure you didn't know what he meant, right? -_- | ||
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? even as a non BW player yes I think that | ||
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United Kingdom1699 Posts
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LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
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United States3616 Posts
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Canada269 Posts
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Spinoza
667 Posts
I have seen crude forms of this principle stated intuitively in this and other treads previously, so I am in no way inventing it (or even claiming it as my own), I am only trying to formulate it in a succinct way. Let me give it a try (and perhaps fail): Would LeBron James be good at handball say, or Wayne Gretzky good at bandy? Who knows, but you would probably not be far of if you guessed that they indeed would. Just to give some perspective, here are a couple of analogy's that are probably not good at all: a grand master chess player good at playing Broodwar, or a celebrated architect equally good at Olympic swimming, a mathematical genius that is equally good at writing, a celebrated footballer equally good at skiing or an entrepreneur equally good at politics. Can you see what I am getting at here .. what I am fumbling about to try to understand? Some people are of-course hilariously talented at almost everything they do - think Leonardo DaVinci, or Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz or Bertrand Russell say - but they are very rare. Here is one analogy that I just made up, and think is more appropriate for comparing BW and SC2: would a celebrated musician be as good if he switched instrument, or dabbled in another musical genre .. or just played covers of songs by other people. It would seem to me that the skill-set required to be a good musician travels very well within the musical spectrum. And this is exactly what the similarity assumption says: similar experiences can guide future reasoning, problem solving and learning. Jumping from BW to SC2 is not like jumping from Chess to skiing. It is more like switching instruments at the most, but probably in essence more like switching to another genre of music. This is why I and many others look at the transition of real BW talent to SC2 with interest. The skill-set required is essentially the same. Mechanics are easier in SC2 but this in turn gives room for more of the rest of the skill-set these players have. And this skill-set is not like switching from painting to gymnastics. fOrGG switching from BW to SC2 is a data-point for us to understand this process and appreciate the true talent of BW players. I think you are making a colossal mistake if you think Flash, Jaedong or Bisu would be behind the curve if they switched to SC2. Not every BW pro who switches will be successful of course, but if a large enough number of them switch, they will expose the mediocrity of a large number of those we today celebrate as near geniuses of SC2. Edit: fixed some spelling and punctuation. | ||
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Toastmold
Canada207 Posts
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Spinoza
667 Posts
On October 27 2011 07:53 Toastmold wrote: You really could have done without your moronic tag on the end. If that is the case .. I will remove it. Thanks for the feedback. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:35 Hinanawi wrote: I doubt any other high-profile BW players will bother switching over until HotS. Why jump on WoL this late when everything is going to be turned upside down soon? Yup! Until LOV comes out no need to worry about BW going anywhere! The game is going to change so drastically with each expansion (not that thats a bad thing.. it just naturally will :D) | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
They're probably also gods at every other genre of video game ever.. hell... they probably are the best at everything!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Pzar
New Zealand46 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff. Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Well, you have... BW WC3 SC2 I'm not actually sure of any other (there's probably some I missed) resource-based rts-style games (or I could just say blizzard-style =P) that people will have been playing in recent times. Starting on one of these will have given you a little over 1 years experience at this point. | ||
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andrewnguyener
United States548 Posts
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Pandahats
United Kingdom13 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10236 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
(BTW he's still playing Terran rite?) I just don't get why he had to change his ID.. why would he not want to continue his fandom, the people who supports him? | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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Remfire
492 Posts
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
On October 27 2011 13:35 LuciferSC wrote: Big congrats to fOrGG! (BTW he's still playing Terran rite?) I just don't get why he had to change his ID.. why would he not want to continue his fandom, the people who supports him? He had already changed his id in BW. Korean players are referred to by their actual names in the Korean scene, so it didn't really matter. It's really more of a foreigner thing to refer to players by their in game id's. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On October 27 2011 13:49 firehand101 wrote: Amazing, if he gets code S and wins, all the BW pros will want to come over as they see what one person can achieve i dont think all pros will switch since they still get a decent salary and does not rely on winning a tournament. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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Stipulation
United States587 Posts
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Altern
United States1053 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Zephirdd wrote: If the KT house decides to switch to SC2... The current scene is doomed. You do know forgg left kt many many months ago | ||
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Knu
United States67 Posts
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On October 27 2011 14:18 GoodRamen wrote: i dont think all pros will switch since they still get a decent salary and does not rely on winning a tournament. i wonder how salary works for jaedong when he got no team... does he still get the same through kespa checks? | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On October 27 2011 14:58 Scaramanga wrote: You do know forgg left kt many many months ago what does that have to do with how kt would dominate sc2? | ||
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
Side note: Even though they aren't related, I keep thinking of Luxury and Yarnc whenever someone says/types Park __ Soo lol, ( Park Chan/Myung Soo, silly me haha  ) | ||
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BlitchizSC2
United States306 Posts
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Spinoza
667 Posts
Broodwar era fOrGG here: (how he keeps up his macro I have no idea) SC2 era fOrGG here: (excellent micro defence) | ||
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OPL3SA2
United States378 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:29 ThePhan2m wrote: The end is now, for all the "semi pros" out there. Soon all currently Code A and most of Code S will be gone into Code B when the invation begins... :D Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 skills are not interchangable. Otherwise Nada and Julyzerg would have at least one championship each. The experience doesn't hurt, but it mostly only helps in the booth. If they don't take it seriously and practice very hard, they won't actually see any booth games. Pretty crazy eh? But i'm right | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
On October 27 2011 20:58 OPL3SA2 wrote: Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 skills are not interchangable. Otherwise Nada and Julyzerg would have at least one championship each. The experience doesn't hurt, but it mostly only helps in the booth. If they don't take it seriously and practice very hard, they won't actually see any booth games. Pretty crazy eh? But i'm right Except that when Nada and July switched over they were hardly considered good. In fact it was ages since they had any appearance in a proleague game | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On October 27 2011 21:04 trucane wrote: Except that when Nada and July switched over they were hardly considered good. In fact it was ages since they had any appearance in a proleague game Nada had a bit of a resurgence in PL right before he switched, but you're right about July | ||
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Spinoza
667 Posts
On October 27 2011 20:58 OPL3SA2 wrote: Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 skills are not interchangable. Otherwise Nada and Julyzerg would have at least one championship each. Please read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279495¤tpage=15#295 NaDa, July and Boxer are still very very good but clearly past their prime. | ||
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juzlol
United States125 Posts
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s3183529
Australia707 Posts
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:27 Herculix wrote: it will be like the great flood sweeping away all the blasphemous meatbags so that the chosen ones can descend from the ark and create a luscious, new world of purity and greatness. Lovely words. Well put | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On October 27 2011 20:58 OPL3SA2 wrote: Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 skills are not interchangable. Otherwise Nada and Julyzerg would have at least one championship each. The experience doesn't hurt, but it mostly only helps in the booth. If they don't take it seriously and practice very hard, they won't actually see any booth games. Pretty crazy eh? But i'm right July and Nada were both amazing players in their time, but neither are on the A to S level. If brilliant minds like Flash, Bisu, Jaedong switch to SC2, they have the potential to change the metagame forever. | ||
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hubson
Sweden93 Posts
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 27 2011 22:39 hubson wrote: omfg there is footage of Bisu and fantasy playing???? Wasn't Jeadong and Jangbi also supposed to be invited to BlizzCon? | ||
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Rastasham
Thailand27 Posts
On October 27 2011 20:58 OPL3SA2 wrote: Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 skills are not interchangable. Otherwise Nada and Julyzerg would have at least one championship each. The experience doesn't hurt, but it mostly only helps in the booth. If they don't take it seriously and practice very hard, they won't actually see any booth games. Pretty crazy eh? But i'm right Let's make it clear for you Boxer Nada and July are old player their glory belongs to the past. They are legends and actually good players but not as good as the actual sc players.2003 end of Boxer 2006 was the end of Nada 2008 July Who is actually the best in the world on sc2? IMMvp . Here is a quote from liquipedia about him: "He is arguably the highest ranked A-teamer to switch from Broodwar. " He is from the 2009 2010 surely top50 or maybe 30 i don't know about the rank A etc. But could you imagine that there are more than thirty people who are better than him? those guys are monsters and if they switch they'll beat anybody easyly. MC said on SK-Gaming in an interview that if a guy like stork bisu flash jaedong etc switch on sc 2 you wait 1 month and they're n°1 on sc 2 i'm sure that mc knows his subject to say such a thing. the real "Koreans" haven't switched yet. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:14 aTnClouD wrote: It's likely he will do well but expecting him to win code S soon is a bit too much imo. I think he can definitely make it if he finds the motivation he made it into such a good player on scbw, yet there are other players with the potential to be monsters that didn't make it as far into their previous games for reasons they might overcome on SC2. But Code S is not everything. Ogs could start sending him to foreign tournaments if he does well and therefore with MC and forGG have 2 top tier players* which would be a threat for foreign pros like you, no? * I'm not saying the others are bad!! | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:27 zdfgucker wrote: But Code S is not everything. Ogs could start sending him to foreign tournaments if he does well and therefore with MC and forGG have 2 top tier players* which would be a threat for foreign pros like you, no? * I'm not saying the others are bad!! I wanna see a Nada/MC/forGG/Jinro 4v4 team for the next TL Open 4v4 special :D | ||
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I)etox
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:14 aTnClouD wrote: It's likely he will do well but expecting him to win code S soon is a bit too much imo. I think he can definitely make it if he finds the motivation he made it into such a good player on scbw, yet there are other players with the potential to be monsters that didn't make it as far into their previous games for reasons they might overcome on SC2. Why would him win Code S be to soon? He has been playing sc2 since season 1 so he isn't lacking experience. Nerves and no proper practice will probably not get to him either since he is a legit progamer. With a good Code A season and a good run in Code S he could very well be in the finlas next season no doubt. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On October 28 2011 04:48 Termit wrote: Why would him win Code S be to soon? He has been playing sc2 since season 1 so he isn't lacking experience. Nerves and no proper practice will probably not get to him either since he is a legit progamer. With a good Code A season and a good run in Code S he could very well be in the finlas next season no doubt. I tend to agree. He has no shortage of practice at all with 3 accounts in the top 50 of the KR ladder. Nerves won't be a factor, and with his experience in major SC1 tournaments he knows how to prepare for a match which will be quite suited in the GSL format. | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:24 Zephirdd wrote: If the KT house decides to switch to SC2... The current scene is doomed. Nuclear Flash detected... GG. KT house will totally wreck everything. O_O | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
On October 27 2011 20:30 Spinoza wrote: Just a few VODs of fOrGG as a service to those who haven't seen him play yet. Broodwar era fOrGG here: http://youtu.be/_jeBlCAjtFU (how he keeps up his macro I have no idea) SC2 era fOrGG here: http://youtu.be/xR8TB8viFcg (excellent micro defence) Wow that SC2 game was exciting! | ||
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sashamunguia
Mexico423 Posts
On October 26 2011 21:38 Milkis wrote: OMG this A teamer BW pro who was about to be demoted into the KT B team made it past code A! Also another terrible assumption is that people think BW players will give a fuck about Code A/S when they swap over to SC2 i love ur sarcasm, keep nourishing every thread with your posts | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
he is undeniably a good player but he is nowhere near the top terrans right now. (watch him vs BbongBbong if you want to know what im talking about) at the rate he is improving he will probably get to that level sooner than most other players but the learning curve tends to flatten out the better you get. i wouldnt be surprised to see him go far in code a but i doubt he even is a favorite to get to code s this season. maybe especially since he is facing fucking sage in round 1. we should give him some time before we hype the shit out of him.. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On October 26 2011 20:27 Herculix wrote: it will be like the great flood sweeping away all the blasphemous meatbags so that the chosen ones can descend from the ark and create a luscious, new world of purity and greatness. True'er words were never spoken. The people who we worship now for their SC2 play were mediocre at best in BW. Can't wait to see someone in their prime like JD, Bisu, Flash, just imagine what they could do in SC2. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 28 2011 04:48 Termit wrote: Why would him win Code S be to soon? He has been playing sc2 since season 1 so he isn't lacking experience. Nerves and no proper practice will probably not get to him either since he is a legit progamer. With a good Code A season and a good run in Code S he could very well be in the finlas next season no doubt. He's been playing since January, and in the lifespan of sc2 that's a pretty big disadvantage considering the game was released in July. That's 5 months. Do you even know how much people can improve over the course of a single month? And even then he hasn't been on a pro team since just recently. If you've seen him play you'd realize he won't be in the finals of code S, but he does have a *shot* at making code S. There's so many people making blind predictions when they haven't seen him play a SINGLE game but only know of his history and that he's made it into code A. There actually do happen to be games available for you to watch, but for some reason people don't bother and just want to spew random predictions on the off chance they're right. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
Just imagine flash paying TVT. yeah, I know, it's ugly. Flash 4 times gsl champion in a row smashing all the best terrans we have nowdays | ||
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Spuick
Norway357 Posts
On October 27 2011 07:19 LayZRR wrote: i still want to see Grrrr playing for oGs....what happened with him? ...Grrr retired in 2004... | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
MVP and NesTea vs Fantasy. 2v1 can MVP and NesTea defeat Fantasy? + Show Spoiler + Outmatched, MVP and NesTea must think of a way to defeat Fantasy! MVP holds Fantasy back while NesTea charges his Scourge + Baneling energy beam taking out both MVP (who will be later revived by Dragon Balls of course) and Fantasy. Fantasy loses but warns MVP and Nestea that Flash and Jaedong are coming! Will MVP and Nestea have what it takes to train and prevent Flash and Jaedong from dominating? | ||
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Weedk
United States507 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:19 Goldfish wrote: Just for fun: MVP and NesTea vs Fantasy. 2v1 can MVP and NesTea defeat Fantasy? + Show Spoiler + Outmatched, MVP and NesTea must think of a way to defeat Fantasy! MVP holds Fantasy back while NesTea charges his Scourge + Baneling energy beam taking out both MVP (who will be later revived by Dragon Balls of course) and Fantasy. Fantasy loses but warns MVP and Nestea that Flash and Jaedong are coming! Will MVP and Nestea have what it takes to train and prevent Flash and Jaedong from dominating? To answer your last question, no. Too much raw talent with those two. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On October 28 2011 05:16 YoiChiBow wrote: I tend to agree. He has no shortage of practice at all with 3 accounts in the top 50 of the KR ladder. Nerves won't be a factor, and with his experience in major SC1 tournaments he knows how to prepare for a match which will be quite suited in the GSL format. But he probably hasn't practised with the intensity most other currently top player has practised. and in his past performance in the esv korean weekly, his play showed promise, but definitely wasn't top s class. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:19 Goldfish wrote: Just for fun: MVP and NesTea vs Fantasy. 2v1 can MVP and NesTea defeat Fantasy? + Show Spoiler + Outmatched, MVP and NesTea must think of a way to defeat Fantasy! MVP holds Fantasy back while NesTea charges his Scourge + Baneling energy beam taking out both MVP (who will be later revived by Dragon Balls of course) and Fantasy. Fantasy loses but warns MVP and Nestea that Flash and Jaedong are coming! Will MVP and Nestea have what it takes to train and prevent Flash and Jaedong from dominating? Have you seen Fantasy's vZ?lol Anyway, really happy with the progress of  oGsFin. All his games have looked really solid. | ||
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thesums
Taiwan257 Posts
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