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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
March 03 2012 23:29 GMT
#661
Hope everyone goes through the TL referal. Absolutely no reason not to do it this way, you still get it for the amazon price (which is usually lower compared to other stores) and there is no delay is shipping.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
March 03 2012 23:29 GMT
#662
On March 03 2012 11:43 RastaMonsta wrote:
Not going to waste my money on this game.

What a stupid post lol...then go to another forum <3
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
March 03 2012 23:53 GMT
#663
I'm looking forward the most towards the new galaxy editor features the new tilesets and the physics effects for the data editor will be HUUUUUGE. Also the UI editor. Gief it naow
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
March 04 2012 00:25 GMT
#664
On March 04 2012 08:53 Bommes wrote:
I'm looking forward the most towards the new galaxy editor features the new tilesets and the physics effects for the data editor will be HUUUUUGE. Also the UI editor. Gief it naow

Snow tiles please!
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hex0101
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom7 Posts
March 07 2012 15:01 GMT
#665
I would love to have the CE! if there was any.
usbserial
Profile Joined February 2012
United States4 Posts
March 14 2012 02:30 GMT
#666
On March 02 2012 11:50 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 11:46 FieryBalrog wrote:
$15?

Call me the next time you see a AAA expansion for $15.

Motherfuckin' BROOD WAR was $30 in 1998.

$15 buys you 3 horse armor nowadays. Good luck with that.


Brood War offered 3 new campaigns.

You know, since we're going down the "Campaigns matter" path. I personally think the campaign is rather a waste of time and shouldn't be considered at all in these discussions since, at the end of the day, all anyone cares about is the multiplayer. However, if people are going to trot around going, "Oh, but you get a full new campaign! It's worth $40!" -- know this. Brood War gave 3 new campaigns and 3 new units per race, and it was still cheaper than this expansion.

I don't mind the price as much, especially since they may lower it. However, what I am worried about is that this game still costs $60 in a lot of places as it stands and by the time this expansion comes out, it could potentially cost $100 to even start playing at the current level. Think about that for a moment: one hundred dollars, just to start playing a game. Do you honestly think that that is going to encourage new players to start in an already dwindling community overall? I hope they lower the price, or they do some sick bundle deal honestly.


Brood War was $30 in 1998 dollars. In today's dollars it would be $41.72.

It has 3 campaigns, yes, but a total of 26 missions. HOTS will have at least 20. Probably a couple secret/bonus missions as well. So, okay, BW wins by a couple missions.

BW did not change the engine at all, though did include a couple new tilesets. Tilesets. The campaign "mission briefings" were largely unchanged. A few new background and animated gif portraits. 2d. SC2 is a fully 3D game. Producing maps, environments, cutscenes, and they are improving both the engine and battle.net. Battle.net also remained largely unchanged for BW.

So boo hoo about the couple missions lost. The amount of work they put into the game far exceeds what they did for BW and they are charging essentially LESS in today's dollars.
PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
March 14 2012 02:34 GMT
#667
Is there any bonus to pre-ordering this rather than buying it from the store (AKA you get a cool portrait/decal)? Besides the obvious perks such as supporting TL and getting it on the day release. Even if no, I'll probably pre-order it anyway but I'm just wondering.
Tracking treasure down
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
March 14 2012 02:37 GMT
#668
On March 14 2012 11:34 PolskaGora wrote:
Is there any bonus to pre-ordering this rather than buying it from the store (AKA you get a cool portrait/decal)? Besides the obvious perks such as supporting TL and getting it on the day release. Even if no, I'll probably pre-order it anyway but I'm just wondering.


This is what I really want to know. I know if you pre-order WOL at Gamestop they gave you a poster.
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Ressonance
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil14 Posts
March 14 2012 02:54 GMT
#669
If I have an NA account and a EU account I'll have to buy the expansion twice? (I imagine the answer is yes, but I'm not sure).

Thanks.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
March 14 2012 03:07 GMT
#670
If the community actually sent a clear message to blizzard that they will not be willing to buy the game unless bnet is completely fixed, things would be much easier. I for one will not buy this game till I know exactly how the multiplayer will look. I do not doubt blizzard in terms of balance and gameplay, but they have completely neglected bnet and continue to do so even now. They need to understand that they will lose sales for such a shit service.

This is crucial for sc2 to survive as a e-sport because the casual base is everything. The population of casual players has dropped off dramatically, and while most of these people still watch sc2, it is unhealthy for the game as an e-sport if they do not actually play the game.

Either way I am completely disappointed with how blizzard has yet to respond to the addressed problems, and the upcoming patch has some minor tweaks but still far from perfect. If blizzard actually had a bnet similiar to tft, then they would retain a lot of players and thus increase further expansion sales.

/rant
Question.?
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
March 14 2012 03:15 GMT
#671
I'm still waiting for the collecter's edition.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
March 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#672
On March 03 2012 13:04 Daniri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 12:20 Candadar wrote:
On March 02 2012 12:08 oxxo wrote:
On March 02 2012 11:50 Candadar wrote:
On March 02 2012 11:46 FieryBalrog wrote:
$15?

Call me the next time you see a AAA expansion for $15.

Motherfuckin' BROOD WAR was $30 in 1998.

$15 buys you 3 horse armor nowadays. Good luck with that.


Brood War offered 3 new campaigns.

You know, since we're going down the "Campaigns matter" path. I personally think the campaign is rather a waste of time and shouldn't be considered at all in these discussions since, at the end of the day, all anyone cares about is the multiplayer. However, if people are going to trot around going, "Oh, but you get a full new campaign! It's worth $40!" -- know this. Brood War gave 3 new campaigns and 3 new units per race, and it was still cheaper than this expansion.

I don't mind the price as much, especially since they may lower it. However, what I am worried about is that this game still costs $60 in a lot of places as it stands and by the time this expansion comes out, it could potentially cost $100 to even start playing at the current level. Think about that for a moment: one hundred dollars, just to start playing a game. Do you honestly think that that is going to encourage new players to start in an already dwindling community overall? I hope they lower the price, or they do some sick bundle deal honestly.


Aren't we over the whole '1 campaign it's a rip off' garbage by now? If it makes you feel better you can think of HotS as 3 zerg campaigns or WoL as 3 T campaigns. The number of missions is (essentially) the same. The number of new units/changes is essentially the same.

As for cheaper, yes but that was 10+ years ago. Brood Wars was more expensive in today money (~$43).

$40 has been the norm for Blizzard expansions since WC3. It's not going to hurt sales.


If you took the time to properly read my post, I said I find the use of including campaigns into cost at all rather arbitrary since ultimately all anyone cares about is the multiplayer.


Except that most people who buy RTSes only play single player.


I guess I'm the exception. I have never played any of the SC2 campaign and I've played like a couple episodes of the original Starcraft campaign before getting bored and logging onto ICCUP.
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lithium3n
Profile Joined May 2011
United States74 Posts
March 14 2012 03:29 GMT
#673
On March 14 2012 12:07 biology]major wrote:
If the community actually sent a clear message to blizzard that they will not be willing to buy the game unless bnet is completely fixed, things would be much easier. I for one will not buy this game till I know exactly how the multiplayer will look. I do not doubt blizzard in terms of balance and gameplay, but they have completely neglected bnet and continue to do so even now. They need to understand that they will lose sales for such a shit service.

This is crucial for sc2 to survive as a e-sport because the casual base is everything. The population of casual players has dropped off dramatically, and while most of these people still watch sc2, it is unhealthy for the game as an e-sport if they do not actually play the game.

Either way I am completely disappointed with how blizzard has yet to respond to the addressed problems, and the upcoming patch has some minor tweaks but still far from perfect. If blizzard actually had a bnet similiar to tft, then they would retain a lot of players and thus increase further expansion sales.

/rant


Totally agreed! Not only that, but Blizzard is far behind in UI and technical features. It's fine to have no LAN, but can't you at least give the feature of Reconnect from Disconnect feature like HoN? I know it isn't revolutionary, how about ELO rating system, would be nice to have ELO rating ontop of the current league system? The lobby of joining a game is so ugly and inefficiently uses screen space, do you really need long horizontal bars for each player?

Patch 1.5 looks promising, lets see if they actually address UMS game listing, and chat window sizing. At the very least they can do is address the lack of LAN feature, if they don't it's not worth my money.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 14 2012 05:18 GMT
#674
On March 14 2012 11:30 usbserial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 11:50 Candadar wrote:
On March 02 2012 11:46 FieryBalrog wrote:
$15?

Call me the next time you see a AAA expansion for $15.

Motherfuckin' BROOD WAR was $30 in 1998.

$15 buys you 3 horse armor nowadays. Good luck with that.


Brood War offered 3 new campaigns.

You know, since we're going down the "Campaigns matter" path. I personally think the campaign is rather a waste of time and shouldn't be considered at all in these discussions since, at the end of the day, all anyone cares about is the multiplayer. However, if people are going to trot around going, "Oh, but you get a full new campaign! It's worth $40!" -- know this. Brood War gave 3 new campaigns and 3 new units per race, and it was still cheaper than this expansion.

I don't mind the price as much, especially since they may lower it. However, what I am worried about is that this game still costs $60 in a lot of places as it stands and by the time this expansion comes out, it could potentially cost $100 to even start playing at the current level. Think about that for a moment: one hundred dollars, just to start playing a game. Do you honestly think that that is going to encourage new players to start in an already dwindling community overall? I hope they lower the price, or they do some sick bundle deal honestly.


Brood War was $30 in 1998 dollars. In today's dollars it would be $41.72.

It has 3 campaigns, yes, but a total of 26 missions. HOTS will have at least 20. Probably a couple secret/bonus missions as well. So, okay, BW wins by a couple missions.

BW did not change the engine at all, though did include a couple new tilesets. Tilesets. The campaign "mission briefings" were largely unchanged. A few new background and animated gif portraits. 2d. SC2 is a fully 3D game. Producing maps, environments, cutscenes, and they are improving both the engine and battle.net. Battle.net also remained largely unchanged for BW.

So boo hoo about the couple missions lost. The amount of work they put into the game far exceeds what they did for BW and they are charging essentially LESS in today's dollars.


work does not equal value. i agree they are putting in a lot of features in this but the sc wol campaign was so corny and a little sexist. typical blizzard campaign, their writing hasnt been any good for as long as ive been playing their games.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 14 2012 05:24 GMT
#675
When Teamliquid gets a Canadian referral link up I'll order from that.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 14 2012 05:32 GMT
#676
On March 14 2012 12:27 Silentness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 13:04 Daniri wrote:
On March 02 2012 12:20 Candadar wrote:
On March 02 2012 12:08 oxxo wrote:
On March 02 2012 11:50 Candadar wrote:
On March 02 2012 11:46 FieryBalrog wrote:
$15?

Call me the next time you see a AAA expansion for $15.

Motherfuckin' BROOD WAR was $30 in 1998.

$15 buys you 3 horse armor nowadays. Good luck with that.


Brood War offered 3 new campaigns.

You know, since we're going down the "Campaigns matter" path. I personally think the campaign is rather a waste of time and shouldn't be considered at all in these discussions since, at the end of the day, all anyone cares about is the multiplayer. However, if people are going to trot around going, "Oh, but you get a full new campaign! It's worth $40!" -- know this. Brood War gave 3 new campaigns and 3 new units per race, and it was still cheaper than this expansion.

I don't mind the price as much, especially since they may lower it. However, what I am worried about is that this game still costs $60 in a lot of places as it stands and by the time this expansion comes out, it could potentially cost $100 to even start playing at the current level. Think about that for a moment: one hundred dollars, just to start playing a game. Do you honestly think that that is going to encourage new players to start in an already dwindling community overall? I hope they lower the price, or they do some sick bundle deal honestly.


Aren't we over the whole '1 campaign it's a rip off' garbage by now? If it makes you feel better you can think of HotS as 3 zerg campaigns or WoL as 3 T campaigns. The number of missions is (essentially) the same. The number of new units/changes is essentially the same.

As for cheaper, yes but that was 10+ years ago. Brood Wars was more expensive in today money (~$43).

$40 has been the norm for Blizzard expansions since WC3. It's not going to hurt sales.


If you took the time to properly read my post, I said I find the use of including campaigns into cost at all rather arbitrary since ultimately all anyone cares about is the multiplayer.


Except that most people who buy RTSes only play single player.


I guess I'm the exception. I have never played any of the SC2 campaign and I've played like a couple episodes of the original Starcraft campaign before getting bored and logging onto ICCUP.

We could add a poll about that but the results would be biased on TL.

Imo SC2 designers want players to play the campaign to get used to the game, while being entertained enough by the campaign itself to be willing to finish it. And I think it is the case. The campaign is really entertaining for itself imo, but even if not, it should at least be done to get used to some units.

And of course I don't think nowadays many players would stuck on single player without playing online neither.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 05:38:09
March 14 2012 05:37 GMT
#677
I'm okay with this price, but I just wish it was stand alone Getting new people into the game is difficult enough without these huge barriers to entry, I understand why it isn't. No retailer is going to stock the original if it isn't required but my heart bleeds.
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
March 14 2012 05:40 GMT
#678
On March 14 2012 14:24 Zzoram wrote:
When Teamliquid gets a Canadian referral link up I'll order from that.

Yeap. Kennigit, get on it!
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usbserial
Profile Joined February 2012
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 10:27:10
March 14 2012 10:26 GMT
#679
On March 14 2012 14:18 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:30 usbserial wrote:
On March 02 2012 11:50 Candadar wrote:
On March 02 2012 11:46 FieryBalrog wrote:
$15?

Call me the next time you see a AAA expansion for $15.

Motherfuckin' BROOD WAR was $30 in 1998.

$15 buys you 3 horse armor nowadays. Good luck with that.


Brood War offered 3 new campaigns.

You know, since we're going down the "Campaigns matter" path. I personally think the campaign is rather a waste of time and shouldn't be considered at all in these discussions since, at the end of the day, all anyone cares about is the multiplayer. However, if people are going to trot around going, "Oh, but you get a full new campaign! It's worth $40!" -- know this. Brood War gave 3 new campaigns and 3 new units per race, and it was still cheaper than this expansion.

I don't mind the price as much, especially since they may lower it. However, what I am worried about is that this game still costs $60 in a lot of places as it stands and by the time this expansion comes out, it could potentially cost $100 to even start playing at the current level. Think about that for a moment: one hundred dollars, just to start playing a game. Do you honestly think that that is going to encourage new players to start in an already dwindling community overall? I hope they lower the price, or they do some sick bundle deal honestly.


Brood War was $30 in 1998 dollars. In today's dollars it would be $41.72.

It has 3 campaigns, yes, but a total of 26 missions. HOTS will have at least 20. Probably a couple secret/bonus missions as well. So, okay, BW wins by a couple missions.

BW did not change the engine at all, though did include a couple new tilesets. Tilesets. The campaign "mission briefings" were largely unchanged. A few new background and animated gif portraits. 2d. SC2 is a fully 3D game. Producing maps, environments, cutscenes, and they are improving both the engine and battle.net. Battle.net also remained largely unchanged for BW.

So boo hoo about the couple missions lost. The amount of work they put into the game far exceeds what they did for BW and they are charging essentially LESS in today's dollars.


work does not equal value. i agree they are putting in a lot of features in this but the sc wol campaign was so corny and a little sexist. typical blizzard campaign, their writing hasnt been any good for as long as ive been playing their games.


I agree to both your points. I thought the writing for the WOL campaign was very poor. Tychus and Raynor both had zero character... just one dimentional personalities. Which was frustrating to see. "Aw hell..." /gravelly voice

But that doesn't invalidate my other two points.
1) It's slightly cheaper than BW
2) It has at 20+ missions vs 26 missions in BW, not this "3 campaign vs 1 shinanagans".
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 11:06:15
March 14 2012 11:06 GMT
#680
On March 03 2012 11:43 RastaMonsta wrote:
Not going to waste my money on this game.


lol what a stupid post. Noone cares whether you will buy the game or not.
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