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On October 22 2011 09:30 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:27 Zorgaz wrote:On October 22 2011 09:18 TedJustice wrote:On October 22 2011 09:17 Kipsate wrote:
Am I the only one who is weirded out by the fact that Terran, the race which has basically the strongest defenders advantage in the game(with walls, siege tanks and planetary) gains yet another defensive structure?. Why does that surprise you? That's the whole point of terran. They're supposed to be the turtle race. Fits Terrans really, we have no spider mines so guess this unit will do :D Well the shredder has 4 range, siege tanks have 13, so if you place with one range to spare, only ground units with more than 8 range will be able to attack the shredder. I do think the shredder needs a ramp up time in addition to siege time though, so that if somebody wants to set up a shredder contain, you have a short period to engage in which your army takes reduced damage. I think Blizzard does want to bring back mech, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I heard it was range/radius of 7? Which is it?
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As long as roach and marauder are removed, ill be happy.
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Id like to see Oracle being built from the Nexus. people probably wont build it if it comes from the stargate and costs 200 gas.
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i like the changes for both z and t dont kno why the t poll is so low. but p is a bit meh
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Holy shit so many changes!
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Oracle should be an upgrade morph for the Observer!
*Revolution idea*
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On October 22 2011 09:23 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:22 preon wrote:
I can't believe everyone is whining so much.. ecpecially the guys saying that they should remove all units that werent in brood war and bring back the ones that were.. Go play brood war if you miss it so much, I don't want a f-ing lurker, I don't want the stupid reaver. I want new cool things to play around with. I'm pumped for HotS :D I dunno, if you don't want a quality game with a focus on gameplay instead of gimmicks why not just play Supreme Commander or something?
Supreme Commander and Sup Com FA were great Rts's though...
I agree with you on the Overseer thing ; they should definitely Keep the Overseer i don't like the Idea of a Single use Cloak Detect use on a unit that can only be used once and costs 200 gas to get just 1 Mobile Cloak Detector.
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idk about the viper. flying and can pull colossus out of position super easily where we get wooped. hopefully this wont be as big of a deal if colossus become less vital to protoss armies
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On October 22 2011 09:29 xCenasfu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:26 Ryder. wrote:Oracle... Coating mineral patches? Wtf Blizzard you agreed toss needed a raider unit, why do you have to give is some pussy looking orb thing that paints their minerals? Whats wrong with a low health/high dps/mobile unit like all the other races have? Disrupting building production sounds just like contaminate and we all know how much that was used... It might even be useful, but I think the biggest issue with it is the freaking cost.. wasn't this very expensive also like everything else the Protoss are getting? Terran can get every one of their new units in every game if they want to while Toss is saddled with 3 new units that come into play, at the earliest, in the mid game..
I assume it will be very expensive...
And I don't know why people are bringing balance into this at all, like the guy above me with some essay about how protoss is being buffed more than any other race...seriously? How can you say that? For all you know these units could cost 500 gas and have 1 health. How do you know that the 25 energy 'photon cannon' doesn't do absolutely terrible DPS? In the OP somebody says artosis build a proxy pylon in his base and used it, and then the guy pulled all his scvs, attacked the pylon and didn't lose a single SCV... Sorry that isn't a photon cannon lol.
I'm just talking about how the units look and feel and act, and they just seem lame :/ seems like blizzard were just trying to cram as much shit as they can into this game.
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people are being stupid now. why the fuck would u replicate a 50 mineral unit for 200 minerals and 200 gas and then call it OP? the only reason u would do that is to BM and make a hatch/CC or something similiar to mindcontrolling a drone/SCV in BW.
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The big problem with the Oracle is that the Terran will most likely have 1 viking out when your Oracle gets to his base. especially if it costs 200gas and is built from the stargate.
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On October 22 2011 09:35 Rorschach wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:30 Amui wrote:On October 22 2011 09:27 Zorgaz wrote:On October 22 2011 09:18 TedJustice wrote:On October 22 2011 09:17 Kipsate wrote:
Am I the only one who is weirded out by the fact that Terran, the race which has basically the strongest defenders advantage in the game(with walls, siege tanks and planetary) gains yet another defensive structure?. Why does that surprise you? That's the whole point of terran. They're supposed to be the turtle race. Fits Terrans really, we have no spider mines so guess this unit will do :D Well the shredder has 4 range, siege tanks have 13, so if you place with one range to spare, only ground units with more than 8 range will be able to attack the shredder. I do think the shredder needs a ramp up time in addition to siege time though, so that if somebody wants to set up a shredder contain, you have a short period to engage in which your army takes reduced damage. I think Blizzard does want to bring back mech, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I heard it was range/radius of 7? Which is it?
It's just big enough that roaches are in the outer part of the aoe.
Radius of 7 is different from range of 7.
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On October 22 2011 09:23 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:18 Andytaker wrote:On October 22 2011 09:17 Kipsate wrote:
Am I the only one who is weirded out by the fact that Terran, the race which has basically the strongest defenders advantage in the game(with walls, siege tanks and planetary) gains yet another defensive structure?. fast Expo into fast shredder LOL Shredders siege tanks behind and a PF to boot. Gold base with mules - now unbreakable 
......dont the shredders auto deactivate if a friendly unit is nearby?....I dont see how it can work out to well....Im sure colossus can easily hit it
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I think the shredder is the best unit they announced. sounds like you can slow push with tanks now using shredders as protection against lings/zealots. similar to how spider mines were used in broodwar. only you have to place them away from your units a bit so that they will go off.
Removing thors is awful and i hate it. The Warhound sounds like a crappy replacement and wont counter muta balls nearly effectively
Also no change to the Raven? Why not remove seeker missle and replace it with lockdown or something
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Come beta a lot of this could potentially change. Out of all the announcements, the Thor seems the worse. While I understand that may constitute a small balance consideration with the Thor essentially out of the way, I just feel that is the wrong approach. If anything it should be a late game tech unit just like the Battlecruiser or the Ultralisk. A single super unit does not seem to fit.
The rest of the changes should be interesting to test out and see where they take us.
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On October 22 2011 09:35 Andytaker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:33 ZAiNs wrote:On October 22 2011 09:30 McFeser wrote:
Another interesting strategy I could see is Oracle DT. Phase out your opponents detecting buildings and inflict damage with DTs. A 200 gas unit that comes from the Stargate won't be able to accompany a normally-timed DT rush. Return of the Bisu Build?
Iono... Lings can be detectors too now.
OMG can you make creep tumors detectors?!
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On October 22 2011 09:32 Andytaker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:25 JoeSchmoe wrote:
not even sure how would play tvz anymore. burrowed banelings that move, viper blinding cloud makes marines useless, abduct siege tanks, fungal marines, wtf seriously just make shredder
shredders are deactivated by your own units...
On October 22 2011 09:30 jinixxx123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 09:25 JoeSchmoe wrote:
not even sure how would play tvz anymore. burrowed banelings that move, viper blinding cloud makes marines useless, abduct siege tanks, fungal marines, wtf seriously i would guess to use the same openers ( either 2 rax marine/bunker pressure or reactor hellion expand ) then go into mass mech ( the new goliaths/siege tanks and a few shredders) with a starport added in late game for ravens with seekers and to detect the burrowed moving banelings. Dont even bother with marine tank, that shit is out the window
i'm guessing some mech play is going to be the way to go because basically all the new zerg abilities counter marine play.
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