New HotS Units/Abilities in Blizzcon - Page 230

On October 22 2011 09:20 Andytaker wrote:


Well if you saw the Video.. Roaches just die in 3 seconds, just build 1 more shredder and you are fine

On October 22 2011 09:26 McFeser wrote:
I asked this before, but can the Oracle phase out CCs? Or hatcheries? Denying mineral patches sounds okish, but if you can phase out enemy buildings it seems far more effective to just take out there mining base for 60 seconds.

On October 22 2011 09:18 TedJustice wrote:

Why does that surprise you? That's the whole point of terran. They're supposed to be the turtle race.

On October 22 2011 09:26 VoirDire wrote:
I feel that with Shredder, Warhound and the new hellion. Ling/muta will be very hard to play vs terran. I hope vipers Blinding Cloud neutralizes Shredders and planetary fortresses.

On October 22 2011 09:19 roymarthyup wrote:
all the protoss whining about this new zerg unit ETC need to realize that in its current form, protoss got the most insane, ridiculous, absolutely WTF insane buffs in these changes

first of all

Protoss gets MASS RECALL ON NEXUS? WTF? holy god this is extremely powerful and is greater than anything else the other races got. protoss as a race has a main weakness of not being able to move out without risking their base being destroyed in the process. now mass recall is a huge stop to this because you can move out and with some scouting you know exactly how many forces are coming to you and you only recall enough units needed to defend any drops/mutas and continue with your attack

next, protoss can spend 25 energy of the nexus to make FREE PHOTON CANNONS. wtf?? this means toss can pretty much go nexus first every game and never have to worry about 6pool or 8pool or 10pool. you can always have up your gateway in time and then you turn your nexus and pylons into photon cannons wow.

Also, dustin browders description of replicants copy ability being "los" pretty much means it must be mapwide from vision. if replicant needed melee range, browder would have said melee. if replicant needed to be within some sort of 10-15 range then dustin would have said "oh theres a range to it". no instead dustin said "its LOS" meaning the replicant can probably copy anything on the map.

first of all this would be extremely overpowered if it could target SCV's or drones, and you could make your own roach/marauder armies as toss. if its like that it would surely get nerfed. but next this alone is a extremely powerful buff against 1-1-1 strategies. Now protoss can build 200/200 siege tanks which alone is a godsend absolute fix to 1-1-1 and should kill the 1-1-1 strategy against toss and leave open tons of options for toss that werent available.

this is a huge buff to protoss compared to terran getting lol-goliaths (which are probably not as strong as marine/marauder anyway) and lol-battle-hellions. the shredder seems overpowered but i bet collossi can outrange it

and zerg being able to hook collossi with the viper shouldnt be a problem at all considering the buffs protoss got. protoss now have mass recall at any nexus which completely shuts down mutalisks as a tech option, toss can go nexus first every game against zerg and be safe with free photon cannons, and its not like ZvP lategame was some unwinnable situation.... what WAS the problem with protoss in ZvP? simply put, immobility and lack of static defense without spending a bazillion minerals on cannons. toss now has mass recall and free photon cannons that will obliterate zerglings. The description says for 25 energy you get a cannon that it seems does as much dps as photons but only to light units. thats insanely good

also i forgot to mention another thing about mass recall. HOLY GOD. against zerg toss will be able to send out a couple voidrays (or tempests) and kill a zerg base then recall away when reinforcements arrive. protoss will be able to turtle WHILE sending forces around the map to snipe zerg expansions and simply recall those forces if they get in trouble

the tempest is nothing incredible compared to mass recall and free photon cannons (which are the biggest huge buffs).... but its not bad either protoss got a nice addition against zerg in the tempest. its attack damage seems pretty strong and its cost is 300/300 which isnt THAT bad considering most toss are adding in some voidrays into their deathballs anyway against zerg to fight broodlords. well the tempest costs 50 more minerals, 150 more gas than a voidray, but considering its AoE against air it should fare just as good as voids against corrupters and should be a buffer response to broods instead of voidrays based on how its damage looks. so adding tempests and collossi into your deathball will pretty much just be a slightly better option than voidrays







the above is a good write-up to explain how protoss got buffed the most.

SADLY, to all tosses out there, im sure 99% of the strength of all these buffs will be completely ripped apart and neutered before HOTS is released. theres no way blizzard will let these massive buffs to toss go into retail when we see what it does in beta

On October 22 2011 09:25 JoeSchmoe wrote:
not even sure how would play tvz anymore. burrowed banelings that move, viper blinding cloud makes marines useless, abduct siege tanks, fungal marines, wtf seriously

On October 22 2011 09:23 sapht wrote:
You're never ever going to use a replicant on a drone/scv except for fun or BM. It takes forever to build an economy from 0 command centers/hatcheries, and even longer to get tech. Stop dreaming.

I'm going to miss carriers ;_________; at least lurkers are (kinda) back!

On October 22 2011 09:20 Clank wrote:


LOL, how can you possibly make 100 spore crawlers, then cancel them. thats just not possible. Maybe like 10-15 max

On October 22 2011 09:23 Reborn8u wrote:


I really think this whole +50 to the cost every building for zerg is a bunch of B.S. This would only be the case if the drone didn't mine anything until it morphed into the building, plus the fact that you have larva inject and can produce 10 drones at a time pretty early in the game, that alone compensates for this.

On October 22 2011 09:23 Reborn8u wrote:


I really think this whole +50 to the cost every building for zerg is a bunch of B.S. This would only be the case if the drone didn't mine anything until it morphed into the building, plus the fact that you have larva inject and can produce 10 drones at a time pretty early in the game, that alone compensates for this.

On October 22 2011 09:26 Ryder. wrote:Oracle... Coating mineral patches? Wtf Blizzard you agreed toss needed a raider unit, why do you have to give is some pussy looking orb thing that paints their minerals? Whats wrong with a low health/high dps/mobile unit like all the other races have? Disrupting building production sounds just like contaminate and we all know how much that was used...

On October 22 2011 09:22 Active.815 wrote:
God that viper pull shit will absolutely kill tvz if it gets included (not to mention pvz).

What's this a carefully executed tank push? hohohohoho lemme just pull all your tanks over here to my waiting ling/bane/roach/swarmshitter hohohohohoho.

Then vikings become mandatory, and corrupters absolutely destroy vikings, and then you have some weird-ass blord/corrupter/viper/generic zerg ground unit versus viking/marine/tank/warhound, and terran just loses ~~

raven scouting to detect moving banelings (holy shit) nope now it just came to a muta party ohohoho.

I really hope that doesn't happen T___T

On October 22 2011 09:23 AGIANTSMURF wrote:
protoss units cost 200 gas a piece except for tempest that cost 300 gas.....

why does blizzard troll us by taking away our most gas expensive units, and give us more super-gas expensive units.......

we need more basic stuff that helps in the early-mid game and cheap units that are viable into the late game...