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Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:27:25
October 21 2011 22:25 GMT
#3821
People might be missing the point on the Oracle. Sure it might not kill workers, but it does make things like zealot drops more effective because the biggest problem with zealot drops/storm drops is that you can just run your workers away and take little damage. This locks them in place.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
October 21 2011 22:25 GMT
#3822
On October 22 2011 07:17 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:14 Bashion wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:11 willyallthewei wrote:
Do they hate protoss? Why do we get the least "Net" units with the Mothership and carrier removed?

Oracle: 'oh they want a harassment unit huh? lets give them something that does exactly that, it just annoys ur enemy to death, it will kill absolutely nothing, but it will absolutely "harass" them and annoy the shit out of them"

Replicator: "we ran out of good ideas, here's a ball that copies other units, lets make it 200 gas so that its literally more expensive than any unit it can copy"

Mass Recall: "Toss can't put pressure on Zerg, here, now you don't have to suicide your army to take down a third a hatch, oh wait, we're totally removing this by release, sorry folks!"

Tempest: Yes, toss players, you can have your corsair back, it will only cost you 300/300 and a fleet beacon, and build at the same speed as Collossi, don't you love us? - signed, Blizzard.

Seriously, if the Oracle has detection, then okay, if not, then I really HAVE to wonder if the developers have some type of subliminal hate for the protoss race. Just take them out of the game, seriously, like Bisu said, SC2 toss is pointless, just axe it from the game if you are going to neuter them like this.




You made me laugh so loud.
Its sad but true all you said.

Bisu said SC2 toss is pointless? Nice.


I think he was quoted as saying "Starcraft 2? More like TerranCraft. I'll consider switching when it's balanced."
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:26:18
October 21 2011 22:26 GMT
#3823
Possible emp radius nerf soon
I am down but I am far from over
TroubL
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania126 Posts
October 21 2011 22:26 GMT
#3824
On October 22 2011 07:24 tsuxiit wrote:
I haven't seen it specified anywhere, does a Viper require a spire or other tech structure? Or is the only requirement just a lair?

Spire
''Special Tactics since 1998'' - WhiteRa
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 21 2011 22:26 GMT
#3825
On October 22 2011 07:25 Heavenly wrote:
People might be missing the point on the Oracle. Sure it might not kill workers, but it does make things like zealot drops more effective because the biggest problem with zealot drops is that you can just run your workers away and take little damage. This locks them in place.


It don't affect worker, it make bubbles on minerals so they can't be mined.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3826
On October 22 2011 07:25 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:24 TheDraken wrote:
Really blizz?
Mechwarrior 4:
[image loading]
HOTS:
[image loading]

Looks like every mech walker ever



Model looks kinda shitty. I wonder if they were trying to make it look as little like the thor as possible.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:27:17
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3827
The Game has Started Everyone go the Live Stream Tastosis Casting
Never GG MKP | IdrA
eugalp
Profile Joined August 2011
United States203 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3828
The more I think about it, the less I like protoss changes =(.
The Tempest is basically a very expensive BW Corsair with a mediocre ground attack.
The Replicator is more expensive than almost all of units it can actually replicate. Seems very gimmicky to say the least.
The Oracle is also weird. The scouting it gives you is not much more than what you would get from an observer. Entombing minerals sounds weak. The only useful ability is Phase Shift on Missile Turrets / Spores in combination with Phoenixes that can actually kill workers.

I'm more excited about the new Nexus abilities than the units. :/
"More GG more skill" - White-Ra
TutsiRebel
Profile Joined August 2011
United States172 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3829
ROFL @ people who think Zerg doesn't need mobile detection until tier 2.5

seriously, it's incredible how stupid some of you are
I can bhop irl
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3830
Wow so the viper can only do the detection once? It seems zerg just devolves every expansion in terms of detecting.

Overlord in bw, now it was the overseer which an overlord morphs into now its a viper that can only give 1 unit then you have to make a whole new viper to get detection.

DT's i'm having nightmares .
When I think of something else, something will go here
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3831
On October 22 2011 07:27 XRaDiiX wrote:
The Game has Started Everyone go the Live Stream Tastosis Casting



which game?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:27:54
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3832
On October 22 2011 07:27 TutsiRebel wrote:
ROFL @ people who think Zerg doesn't need mobile detection until tier 2.5

seriously, it's incredible how stupid some of you are


So True... Zerg won't be able to move out until we get Vipers now i don't understand why they got rid of Overseer.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3833
On October 22 2011 07:17 Chemzoar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:15 Andytaker wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:13 Kaitlin wrote:
Has iNcontroL posted in this thread yet ? I'm guessing he is going to be THRILLED with the Nexus Mass Recall ability. Great drop defense.


Sounds pretty Imbalanced in lategame, you just send 10 Voidrays to snipe hatcherys or other buildings while camping at a Nexus in the middle of the map with your whole army^^



Dude, Nexus in the middle of the map purely for recall would be awesome. Some interesting strats to be explored there!


Wait. So, not only do we now have a purpose for macro Nexuses, but possibly Protoss could be more the macro race than Zerg, even. Put a Nexus everywhere and can defend as long as it has energy to recall units to defend. Not only does this give you lots of energy, unlimited gas potential, but it prevents your opponent from expanding there, obviously.

I think with creative usage, Protoss so much more potential. They certainly made it the tech-y race.

Let's see:

6 pool - Shut down with buildings that fight back.
Cloaked Banshees - Countered 'en mass' by replicators. Terrans need to think twice about showing a Protoss a cloaked banshee.
SnowK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States245 Posts
October 21 2011 22:27 GMT
#3834
On October 22 2011 07:25 Heavenly wrote:
People might be missing the point on the Oracle. Sure it might not kill workers, but it does make things like zealot drops more effective because the biggest problem with zealot drops is that you can just run your workers away and take little damage. This locks them in place.


Erm, no. Oracle does nothing to units.
"Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'" - Liquid`Jinro
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3835
Some of these are cool, some are meh, and the rest are just pants on head retarded. I can't help but think that balance is going to be more messed up in HotS than it ever was in WoL. A lot of these units are just lame. The Swarm Host is basically blizzard going "we want to introduce lurkers, but we don't want to appear lazy, so lets make a dumb version of it!" Just give us back lurkers blizzard, no one will criticize you for your lack of creativity more than the player complain about zerglings still being in the game. I can say that without a doubt if HotS launches as is, I'm race switching from protoss to zerg.
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3836
On October 22 2011 07:27 SnowK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:25 Heavenly wrote:
People might be missing the point on the Oracle. Sure it might not kill workers, but it does make things like zealot drops more effective because the biggest problem with zealot drops is that you can just run your workers away and take little damage. This locks them in place.


Erm, no. Oracle does nothing to units.



Yes, it only freezes mineral patches
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TroubL
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania126 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3837
On October 22 2011 07:25 Heavenly wrote:
People might be missing the point on the Oracle. Sure it might not kill workers, but it does make things like zealot drops more effective because the biggest problem with zealot drops/storm drops is that you can just run your workers away and take little damage. This locks them in place.


but there're many other mineral fields you can target them which are not locked
''Special Tactics since 1998'' - WhiteRa
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3838
On October 22 2011 07:11 willyallthewei wrote:
Do they hate protoss? Why do we get the least "Net" units with the Mothership and carrier removed?

Oracle: 'oh they want a harassment unit huh? lets give them something that does exactly that, it just annoys ur enemy to death, it will kill absolutely nothing, but it will absolutely "harass" them and annoy the shit out of them"


Yeah it's not like being able to remove any Zerg tech structure from the game instantly could be game breakingly good...
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3839
On October 22 2011 07:26 TroubL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:24 tsuxiit wrote:
I haven't seen it specified anywhere, does a Viper require a spire or other tech structure? Or is the only requirement just a lair?

Spire

Source? If this is true it's pretty huge.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3840
On October 22 2011 07:21 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:15 tuho12345 wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:11 XRaDiiX wrote:
I can See it Now Oracle comes into Zerg's Main/Natural Shuts Down Spores DT's Come in and Snipe Spores..___>>> Then Proceed to kill Zerg Spire GG

From what i've seen Oracle disables Spores Lets hope it doesn't Disable their Detection

Oracle can only stop the econ and production. Stop spreading bullshit



Actually your the Bull Shitter.

From Reddit

Oracle
Description: The Oracle is a psionic warship, built from a Stargate, that uses several unique abilities to raid and harass the enemy. The first is Entomb, which can temporarily block mineral fields from being harvested. Another ability, Preordain, grants vision of a targeted enemy building, allowing the protoss to see which units or technologies are being researched. Rounding out its kit is Phase Shift, which phases a target building, preventing it from being attacked, using its abilities, or granting technology. Not only can structures like missile turrets be prevented from attacking, but using this ability on a zerg Spire would block the production of Mutalisks, Corruptors, and air upgrades.


You might wanna read this Buddy

Prevent attacking = prevent scouting and see the cloak units? Cool story bro.
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