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VoiceOfDecember
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia206 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3841
Jesus tap-dancing Christ....

This has made my day. I am one happy little zerg buddy :D
If I keep making drones and expanding while fending off their attacks, I'm sure to win...right?
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3842

On October 22 2011 07:21 smitty5569 wrote:

And the Viper sounds OP. Protoss relies on power like colossi, archons and so on because gateway units are trash. And now the viper can pull those power units to the front to instantly be killed.

Kinda disappointed as a Protoss unit.


So what you do is use a Replicant to replicate a Viper, and pull your Colossus right back.

HypernovA
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada556 Posts
October 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#3843
So Protoss has become even more immune to drops. Can't warp in units? Just recall the army.
susiederkins
Profile Joined March 2011
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:32:21
October 21 2011 22:29 GMT
#3844
Sooo....if we want to be able to move out on the map and fight cloaked units or even think about taking a third we have to get to lair + build whatever tech building the viper requires + get the viper out + use the one time ability on a random unit?

...

Zerg doesnt get contained enough as it is?
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 21 2011 22:29 GMT
#3845
On October 22 2011 07:27 blade55555 wrote:
Wow so the viper can only do the detection once? It seems zerg just devolves every expansion in terms of detecting.

Overlord in bw, now it was the overseer which an overlord morphs into now its a viper that can only give 1 unit then you have to make a whole new viper to get detection.

DT's i'm having nightmares .

But burrowed banelings that can move! :D

Sorry, that's one of the only things my brain latched onto. That and the increased hydra speed.
TroubL
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania126 Posts
October 21 2011 22:29 GMT
#3846
On October 22 2011 07:28 Amlitzer wrote:
Some of these are cool, some are meh, and the rest are just pants on head retarded. I can't help but think that balance is going to be more messed up in HotS than it ever was in WoL. A lot of these units are just lame. The Swarm Host is basically blizzard going "we want to introduce lurkers, but we don't want to appear lazy, so lets make a dumb version of it!" Just give us back lurkers blizzard, no one will criticize you for your lack of creativity more than the player complain about zerglings still being in the game. I can say that without a doubt if HotS launches as is, I'm race switching from protoss to zerg.


ahh common you didn't even played it bro, protoss look fun aswell
''Special Tactics since 1998'' - WhiteRa
FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
October 21 2011 22:30 GMT
#3847
On October 22 2011 07:27 TutsiRebel wrote:
ROFL @ people who think Zerg doesn't need mobile detection until tier 2.5

seriously, it's incredible how stupid some of you are


Technically we have mobile detection at t1 with a evo chamber =)
To unpathed waters, undreamed shores. - Shakespeare
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:31:32
October 21 2011 22:31 GMT
#3848
On October 22 2011 07:28 TroubL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:25 Heavenly wrote:
People might be missing the point on the Oracle. Sure it might not kill workers, but it does make things like zealot drops more effective because the biggest problem with zealot drops/storm drops is that you can just run your workers away and take little damage. This locks them in place.


but there're many other mineral fields you can target them which are not locked


Nevermind, thought that it blocked worker movement. That sounds pretty lame.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
October 21 2011 22:31 GMT
#3849
On October 22 2011 07:28 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:21 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:15 tuho12345 wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:11 XRaDiiX wrote:
I can See it Now Oracle comes into Zerg's Main/Natural Shuts Down Spores DT's Come in and Snipe Spores..___>>> Then Proceed to kill Zerg Spire GG

From what i've seen Oracle disables Spores Lets hope it doesn't Disable their Detection

Oracle can only stop the econ and production. Stop spreading bullshit



Actually your the Bull Shitter.

From Reddit

Oracle
Description: The Oracle is a psionic warship, built from a Stargate, that uses several unique abilities to raid and harass the enemy. The first is Entomb, which can temporarily block mineral fields from being harvested. Another ability, Preordain, grants vision of a targeted enemy building, allowing the protoss to see which units or technologies are being researched. Rounding out its kit is Phase Shift, which phases a target building, preventing it from being attacked, using its abilities, or granting technology. Not only can structures like missile turrets be prevented from attacking, but using this ability on a zerg Spire would block the production of Mutalisks, Corruptors, and air upgrades.


You might wanna read this Buddy

Prevent attacking = prevent scouting and see the cloak units? Cool story bro.


We don't know the Specific Details yet.... Buddy
Never GG MKP | IdrA
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:32:19
October 21 2011 22:31 GMT
#3850
I want to see Lurkers instead of the Swarm Host and Goliaths instead of the Warhound. And leave Carriers in the game, just make them viable, you can cut that stupid replicant out and make the Oracle actually decent instead of just annoying.

Everyone would love it...

Make it so Blizzard!
terran0330
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:33:43
October 21 2011 22:32 GMT
#3851
http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/live-stream/

Edit: oh wait, its WoL
Brotoss FTW
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
October 21 2011 22:32 GMT
#3852
Purpose of the transforming helion is to deal with late game chargelots
I am down but I am far from over
Achilles306
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada84 Posts
October 21 2011 22:32 GMT
#3853
Lots of new stuff looks really cool. How much of it will make it out of beta? I can already see a few things that will need to be removed for balance imo. DT openings will stop zerg from getting a 3rd base before lair now. Ultra burrow charge could be really good vs siege lines.

Protoss gained a town portal, but besides that got worse.

Not sure what 1 thor is going to do... Remove mothership, but make thor a hero unit? Does Terran really need more aoe?

As a Protoss player HOTS make me TT
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
October 21 2011 22:32 GMT
#3854
I really don't think abduct on viper is a good idea. It feels to dawn of war-y and honestly will just fuck over pvz even more as now all our important dps units will either be neural'd or abducted.

Rapist viper.
GuMiho <3
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 21 2011 22:33 GMT
#3855
Im feeling like protoss is getting a bit of the shaft

Replicator seems like it has potential.. both good and bad. could help if we get a tank. but if we lose 200/200 for nothing, tha twill suck a lot

zerg and terran feel better. protoss feels different

will reserve further judgement until later

I just feel like stalkers are screwed (between marauders and mechrauders and dark swarm/fungal)
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
ZergrayNVoid
Profile Joined October 2011
United States17 Posts
October 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#3856
On October 22 2011 06:33 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 06:12 Crisco wrote:
On October 22 2011 06:11 forsooth wrote:
On October 22 2011 05:50 0neder wrote:
On October 22 2011 05:49 forsooth wrote:
If Blizzard thought blue flame needed to be nerfed, why would they even consider burrow move banelings? Mineral lines will cease to exist when Zerg is in a game.

Scanner sweep is ridiculously huge in SC2. The least they can do it they don't nerf it is to buff burrowed stuff.

Scanner sweep? Please tell me you're joking. We're talking about a tier 1 unit that has the ability to instantly annihilate any mineral line, anywhere on the map, at any time. This isn't a pull and scatter your workers scenario like when hellions/DTs/mutas/etc. show up and save a decent chunk of them if you do it right. This is an instant loss of 20 workers with no warning and no ability to save a single one of them. It's a terrible idea.


you realize burrowed movement is tier 3 right?

Okay. Tier 1 is a bad idea, duh. Tier 3 is still a bad idea. Example: Terran on 4-5 bases spread out across the map, trying to push the zerg. Zerg takes one ling, makes it into a bling, burrows and then just sneaks around to an expansion and blow up the scvs. What I'm trying to say is that the terran will be stretched way to thin in defending all his bases. Waste of money to put up turrets everywhere. 150 for a turret is no joke.. Positioning it will be a bitch to make sure it can cover the entire mineral line.

Okay, now lets say youve successful managed to establish detection around your new expo. Now how the fuck are you supposed to kill the bings? Okay, hold back a couple marines to deal with the blings (well, now your main army is weaker......... -_-) or set up a planetary. Planatary = less orbitals = less scans = better for zerg as now pretty much everything can burrow and move around. Fuck.


This is a nice, but totally bunk description of how that would work, simply because there are already existing means of accomplishing the same task that are no less threatening to the terran player: burrow roaches and burrow infestors, both of which are tier 2.
The dreaded jack of trades.
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
October 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#3857
From the panel
Warhound- purpose is antimech, smaller and faster
Thor is the new Terran mothership. High hp high dmg, only 1 at a time
I am down but I am far from over
Xation
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada147 Posts
October 21 2011 22:35 GMT
#3858
Buff the Mothership, remove it next expansion. :/
Liquid HerO bonjwa. Stardust fighting! -Jester 1754
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 21 2011 22:35 GMT
#3859
Hmm. The more I think about these units, the more I think they should just buff gateway units, give gateways inverse cooldown w/ warpgates, and replace the colossus. Anyone?
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 21 2011 22:35 GMT
#3860
On October 22 2011 07:31 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:28 tuho12345 wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:21 XRaDiiX wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:15 tuho12345 wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:11 XRaDiiX wrote:
I can See it Now Oracle comes into Zerg's Main/Natural Shuts Down Spores DT's Come in and Snipe Spores..___>>> Then Proceed to kill Zerg Spire GG

From what i've seen Oracle disables Spores Lets hope it doesn't Disable their Detection

Oracle can only stop the econ and production. Stop spreading bullshit



Actually your the Bull Shitter.

From Reddit

Oracle
Description: The Oracle is a psionic warship, built from a Stargate, that uses several unique abilities to raid and harass the enemy. The first is Entomb, which can temporarily block mineral fields from being harvested. Another ability, Preordain, grants vision of a targeted enemy building, allowing the protoss to see which units or technologies are being researched. Rounding out its kit is Phase Shift, which phases a target building, preventing it from being attacked, using its abilities, or granting technology. Not only can structures like missile turrets be prevented from attacking, but using this ability on a zerg Spire would block the production of Mutalisks, Corruptors, and air upgrades.


You might wanna read this Buddy

Prevent attacking = prevent scouting and see the cloak units? Cool story bro.


We don't know the Specific Details yet.... Buddy

And yet you were already make theory craft about DTs rush, snipe spore crawler and insta win? You think Blizz is that stupid? They take months and years to work on the game and can't see it. But you just need a couple minutes to see the flaws already? lol gg
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