EPTIf your whole business is based on someone elses work i don't really see how you can expect anything else. Big tournaments are not just your local event that tries to cut even, they (aim to) make a profit.
How much of a cut does blizzard get from tourny? - Page 2
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
If your whole business is based on someone elses work i don't really see how you can expect anything else. Big tournaments are not just your local event that tries to cut even, they (aim to) make a profit. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:41 Broodwurst wrote: These tournaments make money with Blizzards game, of course they want a piece of that in return. If your whole business is based on someone elses work i don't really see how you can expect anything else. Big tournaments are not just your local event that tries to cut even, they (aim to) make a profit. They saw the return when we bought the bloody game. Remember back when people were angry that the game was going to be split in 3 parts and we'd have to pay for all 3 individually? Well apparently even that's not good enough. | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:41 roymarthyup wrote: sigh thinking more and more about this makes me so sad at how blizzard is turning into this gigantic soulless corporation. i know not everything is soulless, but this one concept is just insane how they take the money that comes from other peoples hard work of creating and running a tournament im high masters practicing alot cuz i wanna compete in tournamants for fun but i dunno how i feel about supporting such a concept... i just dont feel its fair for blizzard to take cuts from tournaments that they didnt create and build i hope some company comes around and designs a super good esports game and doesnt charge money for tournaments to use it or heck, blizzard with its billions of dollars should simply buy-out MLG and gomtv and every other tournament and simply run it themselves, and by that i mean blizzard would also be buying out all the employees of those other companies and having them run it for them. I could actually support such a concept. If blizzard is running its own tournament, then sure, it gets all the money from it. I find that fair. And if blizzard buys out all the tournaments then it would make sense for them to get all the revenue from it. I see no problem with that. But what blizzard is doing is taking cuts of tournament profits without buying out those tournaments... They are getting a cut of other peoples hard work... Sigh this concept i dont know if i can bring myself to support it What if you did all the hard work for a game, lets call it Starcraft 2. And then another corporation comes along, lets call this MLG, and uses that product you made to make profits of their own, would you feel perfectly fine about that, even though they used your product, and you didnt make a dime? That's like living in an apartment that's someone elses, but not paying them, cause you're doing all the housework. How would the car-rental buisness work if you use that logic? You shouldnt have to pay the company, cause you're doing the driving, right? | ||
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Verator
United States283 Posts
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Tonem
Australia91 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247210 On July 24 2011 23:25 TotalBiscuit wrote: This is what I know. Yes, you can go over $5k with special dispensation from Blizzard. However, it is policy for them to then require 50% of your ad revenue. I know of several large tournaments that have had to do this. If SHOUTcraft Invitational were to do this, it would mean less money getting into the hands of players, which is completely against what the tournament is all about. It makes no sense for SCI to do this, rather than just run more than one event. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:50 Verator wrote: Blizzard spent close to a decade and thousands of man-hours building the game, and other people are using it for profit. You don't bitch and moan that the NFL takes a cut of the profits in exchange for getting stadiums and dozens of TV deals and advertisements. You are getting permission to use their copywrited product for money, its the same as if you build a racing car off of the blueprints for a Ford car and then created a whole racing circuit from that car, of course Ford is going to make you represent them. I'll agree with you when esports gamers make as much as professional sports players. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:52 Tonem wrote: This is the best source I could find.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247210 Yeah, this is the most solid source there is. It works for major broadcasted LANs, obviously tournaments with a different setup would have a different deal with Blizzard. | ||
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ThirdDegree
United States329 Posts
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ThyHate
240 Posts
Great game / Great esport support. Pick One. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:54 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I'll agree with you when esports gamers make as much as professional sports players. You're being incredibly vague there. Some less popular sports people actually have to work a full time job on the side so that they have money to play the sport. Not every professional sports player gets millions of dollars of wages that the elite few basketball/football/etc stars make. Until Starcraft can pull the viewers that the mainstream popular sports do, earnings of the professionals will never be as high as that. View count is proportional to the earnings of the players. The sports where players earn the most bring millions of spectators. Starcraft doesn't. | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:54 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I'll agree with you when esports gamers make as much as professional sports players. Just becuase it's on a different scale the rules don't change. | ||
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Paragleiber
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 12 2011 21:04 Paragleiber wrote: So even if Blizzard was to ask for 50% ad revenue, how do they even know how much ad revenue was created by a tournament? The tournament organizers could just give them a much lower number and then send them much less. I don't really see any reasonable way how Blizzard could control that efficiently. General business ethics Possibilities of legal action Also evidence of ad revenue usually would be provided in some form I imagine. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Weird way to promote e-sport. | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:41 roymarthyup wrote: sigh thinking more and more about this makes me so sad at how blizzard is turning into this gigantic soulless corporation. i know not everything is soulless, but this one concept is just insane how they take the money that comes from other peoples hard work of creating and running a tournament im high masters practicing alot cuz i wanna compete in tournamants for fun but i dunno how i feel about supporting such a concept... i just dont feel its fair for blizzard to take cuts from tournaments that they didnt create and build i hope some company comes around and designs a super good esports game and doesnt charge money for tournaments to use it or heck, blizzard with its billions of dollars should simply buy-out MLG and gomtv and every other tournament and simply run it themselves, and by that i mean blizzard would also be buying out all the employees of those other companies and having them run it for them. I could actually support such a concept. If blizzard is running its own tournament, then sure, it gets all the money from it. I find that fair. And if blizzard buys out all the tournaments then it would make sense for them to get all the revenue from it. I see no problem with that. But what blizzard is doing is taking cuts of tournament profits without buying out those tournaments... They are getting a cut of other peoples hard work... Sigh this concept i dont know if i can bring myself to support it @bolded text to put it into perspective: is it fair for random people to use something to make money where this "something" was not created or built by themselves without compensation to the ones creating or building it? I can say: I just dont feel its fair for GSL to earn money from a game that they didnt create and build. and my question is: is it really so unfair? | ||
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DoublespeakUS
United States55 Posts
You all agreed to this! Why are you complaining? A year and a half later and now this comes up on the forums, when this was common knowledge before the game was released. Blizzard owns Starcraft 2. They could very well run their own tournaments alone so they could take all the revenue, and not allow any other companies to run tournaments. Is that what you want? Or, do you want Blizzard to be open to multiple companies to compete and make high-production broadcasts of their game while giving the company who owns the game half or less of advertising revenue? Blizzard isn't soulless. Blizzard has evolved. Like it or not, they will make a lot of money and grow. In fact, every company is doing this but they mask it with "this is for the community" context. Don't get me wrong, I dislike Blizzard's direction, but it's theirs to take. You can buy your account or not. You can watch these tournaments or not. I do believe however that Blizzard has plans and can see the "big picture" more than any us. The only thing I wish Blizzard was doing would be to give a little kick to this esport. Similar to what Dota2 and Riot have done with their games. | ||
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Cuiu
Germany410 Posts
no lan you can not play from eu>kr>na sc2 performance sucks still no quad support still no name change awful chat function awful custom games design no overall stats we must use 3th party sites maps are awful tldr:bnet sucks they give us every 3months some balance changes that they are made by one person maybe two? Technical support is a joke (i can only speak about the german one) i dont have a problem when they make money but give us pls something back. User was warned for this post | ||
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TheBomb
237 Posts
And BTW, if you purchase the game you can do whatever you want with it. You can set up tournaments and stuff and not have to pay blizzard, the only way Blizzard has to force tournament organizers to pay for this, is because there isn't LAN network. Otherwise pretty much the court would rule in favor of tournament organizers as they are providing the organization for people who've purchased the game to compete with each other and don't in any way rip off the blizzard product. So right now Blizzard is forcing tournament organizers to pay them, because they have no other choice and because the community is too big and energetic and organized for there not to exist e-sports around starcraft 2 | ||
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DoublespeakUS
United States55 Posts
On October 12 2011 21:29 TheBomb wrote: Blizzard are not promoting e-sports, they are actually hindering e-sports by taking 50% of the ad money from tournaments. And BTW, if you purchase the game you can do whatever you want with it. You can set up tournaments and stuff and not have to pay blizzard, the only way Blizzard has to force tournament organizers to pay for this, is because there isn't LAN network. Otherwise pretty much the court would rule in favor of tournament organizers as they are providing the organization for people who've purchased the game to compete with each other and don't in any way rip off the blizzard product. So right now Blizzard is forcing tournament organizers to pay them, because they have no other choice and because the community is too big and energetic and organized for there not to exist e-sports around starcraft 2 You never purchase the game. You purchase an account to play their game. | ||
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