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On October 12 2011 22:34 MarKeD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 22:18 FairForever wrote:On October 12 2011 22:10 MarKeD wrote:On October 12 2011 21:33 FaKeSC2 wrote:
If Blizzard doesn't get revenues from tournaments, they have no incentive to balance and support the game for the next 10-15 years.
Shouldn't they owe it to consumers? What did I actually pay for with this game? I doubt many buy starcraft 2 for the single player (lol), if we're paying full price for pretty much what is 3 games, of which the multilayer is the main reason for purchasing the game should be balanced and supported. The fact is blizzard could afford to do this quite easily, valve updated tf2 for many years for free, and at no point was in anywhere near as expensive as Starcraft 2. The fact is Blizzard-Activision is a souless corporation, out to make as much money as they possibly can. It's just sad to me that there aren't really any games that can compete with starcraft 2, so they get away with it. LOL Except FaKeSC2 is right. Why would Blizzard continually pay money into putting in a support staff (eg. Dustin Browder, now whether you think he's useful is a different story) if they're not getting any revenue outside of a one-time purchase fee? BTW, Corporations are legally required to make the highest profit for their shareholders. So if Blizzard decided to "give back" they could actually be in violation of their duties to their shareholders. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Company Hardly, by properly supporting their products after sale, they can ensure their customer loyalty. However like I said competition isn't of big concern so they can basically get away with it. Yeah corporations are required to generate profit, but not every action has to be short term make money now. Oil companies pay to clean up their oil spills, yeah that cuts into their profits, but what do you think would happen if they didn't? Corporations have a responsibility to more than just shareholders.
Would not taking 50% make them profitable in the long-run?
Yeah right. Tournaments like MLG/Dreamhack will still exist and Blizzard will continue to make money. No one is not going to play SC2 because Blizzard charges these large companies a fee to play SC2.
Edit: Also oil companies are legally required to clean up their spills (Asset Retirement Obligation - recorded as a liability under the financial statements).
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On October 12 2011 22:36 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 22:10 MarKeD wrote:On October 12 2011 21:33 FaKeSC2 wrote:
If Blizzard doesn't get revenues from tournaments, they have no incentive to balance and support the game for the next 10-15 years.
Shouldn't they owe it to consumers? What did I actually pay for with this game? I doubt many buy starcraft 2 for the single player (lol), if we're paying full price for pretty much what is 3 games, of which the multilayer is the main reason for purchasing the game should be balanced and supported. The fact is blizzard could afford to do this quite easily, valve updated tf2 for many years for free, and at no point was in anywhere near as expensive as Starcraft 2. The fact is Blizzard-Activision is a souless corporation, out to make as much money as they possibly can. It's just sad to me that there aren't really any games that can compete with starcraft 2, so they get away with it. Sure, Blizzard could easily afford to support and update SCII without this. But why should they? Should they let another Corporation use their product for free? You obviously don't understand how buisness works. Just cause Blizzard wants to make money, they're not soulless or evil. Do you feel soulless every morning when you go to work to make money? Do you say no if you get a good opporunity to make more money..? Right. It's just on a different scale, friend. Blizzard is doing right by the community, and more.
anybody responding to me, please read the post i responded to I was speaking about them balancing and supporting the game.
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On October 12 2011 20:55 ThirdDegree wrote:
Blizz should take some money from each tournament. Sure we all paid for the game, but that's just a one time purchase. If Blizz doesn't continue to generate profits, what incentive do they have to continue to support the game via server upkeep and patches and such. They need to continue to make money off of SC2, and this is a much better alternative than having an annual subscription.
look at the crappy interface and features of SC2 ... I would rather pay a monthly fee and them give us the Bnet features PC games in 2011 should have
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On October 12 2011 21:32 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 20:52 Tonem wrote:This is the best source I could find.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247210On July 24 2011 23:25 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This is what I know. Yes, you can go over $5k with special dispensation from Blizzard. However, it is policy for them to then require 50% of your ad revenue. I know of several large tournaments that have had to do this. If SHOUTcraft Invitational were to do this, it would mean less money getting into the hands of players, which is completely against what the tournament is all about. It makes no sense for SCI to do this, rather than just run more than one event. Should include Kennigit's response as he closed the thread tbh: Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 05:26 Kennigit wrote:
This isn't entirely accurate, and as far as i'm aware most tournament organizers are under NDA once they go over 5K so you won't get a proper explanation....its not as money grubbing as the OP makes it out to be. Closing, unless TB actually isn't under NDA (you can PM me).
It's probably case-by-case and negotiable.
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On October 12 2011 20:41 roymarthyup wrote:
sigh thinking more and more about this makes me so sad at how blizzard is turning into this gigantic soulless corporation. i know not everything is soulless, but this one concept is just insane how they take the money that comes from other peoples hard work of creating and running a tournament
WTF, this Blizzard love/hate thing is really going crazy. Other peoples hard work? You know that tournaments get ad revenue by streaming Starcraft games? You know, the game that was created by Blizzard? I can only imagine in what kind of Polly Pocket world people live if they honestly think that a company like Blizzard could just have other corporations use their content for free.
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On October 12 2011 22:34 MarKeD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 22:18 FairForever wrote:On October 12 2011 22:10 MarKeD wrote:On October 12 2011 21:33 FaKeSC2 wrote:
If Blizzard doesn't get revenues from tournaments, they have no incentive to balance and support the game for the next 10-15 years.
Shouldn't they owe it to consumers? What did I actually pay for with this game? I doubt many buy starcraft 2 for the single player (lol), if we're paying full price for pretty much what is 3 games, of which the multilayer is the main reason for purchasing the game should be balanced and supported. The fact is blizzard could afford to do this quite easily, valve updated tf2 for many years for free, and at no point was in anywhere near as expensive as Starcraft 2. The fact is Blizzard-Activision is a souless corporation, out to make as much money as they possibly can. It's just sad to me that there aren't really any games that can compete with starcraft 2, so they get away with it. LOL Except FaKeSC2 is right. Why would Blizzard continually pay money into putting in a support staff (eg. Dustin Browder, now whether you think he's useful is a different story) if they're not getting any revenue outside of a one-time purchase fee? BTW, Corporations are legally required to make the highest profit for their shareholders. So if Blizzard decided to "give back" they could actually be in violation of their duties to their shareholders. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Company Hardly, by properly supporting their products after sale, they can ensure their customer loyalty. However like I said competition isn't of big concern so they can basically get away with it. Yeah corporations are required to generate profit, but not every action has to be short term make money now. Oil companies pay to clean up their oil spills, yeah that cuts into their profits, but what do you think would happen if they didn't? Corporations have a responsibility to more than just shareholders.
No they don't. Take econ before you talk about it please.
Someone at Blizzard did a cost-benefit analysis. They then came upon a sweet spot for how much to charge tourneys so the tourney remains possible (thus giving Blizzard free advertising) and so Blizzard makes the maximum amount of money they can. That's really all there is to it.
And oil companies don't clean up spills out of some intrinsic corporate benevolence. Come on. For one they're legally obligated to do so or they will face massive fines to the point that cleaning would've been the better option. Oh, and two: if they don't clean spills, their company will get so much negative publicity that their profits would dramatically drop beyond the cost of cleanup.
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It is kind of sad people defend blizzards 50% policy. For a game that doesn't even include LAN support or name changes and made in 3 parts... that isn't enough money for them? Hell, at least give LAN support for large tounaments you are taking 50% of the ad revenue from. It is sad seeing delays, "disconnect" screens/lag and player drops every tournament because they are forced to play through battle.net 0.5.
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On October 12 2011 22:51 Glockateer wrote:
It is kind of sad people defend blizzards 50% policy. For a game that doesn't even include LAN support or name changes and made in 3 parts... that isn't enough money for them? Hell, at least give LAN support for large tounaments you are taking 50% of the ad revenue from. It is sad seeing delays, "disconnect" screens/lag and player drops every tournament because they are forced to play through battle.net 0.5.
Very few are defending the concrete 50% cut (which is highly debatable if it even is 50%), people are arguing if it's "right" of Blizzard to charge organizers for hosting tourneys
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On October 12 2011 22:37 MarKeD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 22:36 ineq wrote:On October 12 2011 22:10 MarKeD wrote:On October 12 2011 21:33 FaKeSC2 wrote:
If Blizzard doesn't get revenues from tournaments, they have no incentive to balance and support the game for the next 10-15 years.
Shouldn't they owe it to consumers? What did I actually pay for with this game? I doubt many buy starcraft 2 for the single player (lol), if we're paying full price for pretty much what is 3 games, of which the multilayer is the main reason for purchasing the game should be balanced and supported. The fact is blizzard could afford to do this quite easily, valve updated tf2 for many years for free, and at no point was in anywhere near as expensive as Starcraft 2. The fact is Blizzard-Activision is a souless corporation, out to make as much money as they possibly can. It's just sad to me that there aren't really any games that can compete with starcraft 2, so they get away with it. Sure, Blizzard could easily afford to support and update SCII without this. But why should they? Should they let another Corporation use their product for free? You obviously don't understand how buisness works. Just cause Blizzard wants to make money, they're not soulless or evil. Do you feel soulless every morning when you go to work to make money? Do you say no if you get a good opporunity to make more money..? Right. It's just on a different scale, friend. Blizzard is doing right by the community, and more. anybody responding to me, please read the post i responded to I was speaking about them balancing and supporting the game.
Yeah i know. And it has everything to do with buisness. Who the heck wants to keep working on something that doesnt generate income? No rational human beeing, that's for sure.
Essentially, they're making it viable to support a game for what is often 7-8+ years, be it by taking ad revenue or other ways, you really can't fault them for any of it. I've never seen any other company put as much effort into beeing ABLE to support their games for so long.
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On October 12 2011 22:51 Glockateer wrote:
It is kind of sad people defend blizzards 50% policy. For a game that doesn't even include LAN support or name changes and made in 3 parts... that isn't enough money for them? Hell, at least give LAN support for large tounaments you are taking 50% of the ad revenue from. It is sad seeing delays, "disconnect" screens/lag and player drops every tournament because they are forced to play through battle.net 0.5.
Stop saying its 50%! You're defending something that is completely unfounded. Source! How can you enter a discussion attacking a company based on false numbers? Attack them on the rest of your points if you like..
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It is kind of sad people defend blizzards 50% policy.
its kinda of sad people attack blizzard on something thats false. But if thats gonna be the case, let me join in: Its so sad blizzard has made $4billion dollars profit on SC2 and used it all on buying plots of canadian oilfields instead of expanding their HoTs team..
Ye this is fun.
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This game is still in it's infant stages, give it a couple years (just like BW) and if things are not improved, then I will complain.
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On October 12 2011 20:41 roymarthyup wrote:
sigh thinking more and more about this makes me so sad at how blizzard is turning into this gigantic soulless corporation. i know not everything is soulless, but this one concept is just insane how they take the money that comes from other peoples hard work of creating and running a tournament
Blizzard also worked hard for 5 years to make this game. 5 years of lots of salaries to pay and other costs. It probably cost some tenths of millions of dollars to produce, and you are wondering why they want to earn money?
Remember, they don't make you pay a fee every month, while they do pay maintenance and almost flawless service every month.
So please try and understand this world a little better. It doesn't work on carrots.
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I was under the impression that Blizzard didn't make any money off these tournaments, unless it was their tournament.
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Gosh.. 5 pages and no one actually knows shit?! TL becomes no better than the Bnet forums sometimes.. why do people start threads like this with 0 information or source?! pointless!
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this is outrageous i didn't know about that
how much money do they expect to make ?
aren't wow subscriptions already paying for their grand grand children's eductation and housing ?
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This is Blizzard's property. Without the game there is no tournament, they started making this game right after Warcraft 3 was released according to several interviews, that means that the company spent several years paying a full team of people to make a game. And now tournaments want to make money off it with no say from Blizzard?
Its no different than people putting up illegal streams of sports, tv shows, movies or even the GSL. You are taking something someone else made and making your own profit on it
I know its blizzards game. But in this environment what would be stopping a competitor from maybe making a better or equal game
And who would that be? What developer could hope to make a game even close to SC2? What developer out there has a track record for actually caring about their games, several years down the line to update them? Valve? Maybe, but they have almost no experience in making a RTS game and they still dont support their games as well as Blizzard has done
They are the only developer who could in some fantasy world, maybe might able to someday compete with Blizzard on the RTS front.
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On October 12 2011 23:32 Boonbag wrote:
this is outrageous i didn't know about that
how much money do they expect to make ?
aren't wow subscriptions already paying for their grand grand children's eductation and housing ?
Point? :O
If you made $10M, you wouldnt want to make that in to $20M?
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On October 12 2011 23:34 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 23:32 Boonbag wrote:
this is outrageous i didn't know about that
how much money do they expect to make ?
aren't wow subscriptions already paying for their grand grand children's eductation and housing ? Point? :O If you made $10M, you wouldnt want to make that in to $20M?
its no easy job securing sponsors / adds / setting up a tournament
why on earth would you give money to blizzard for a work they don't do ?
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On October 12 2011 23:35 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 23:34 ineq wrote:On October 12 2011 23:32 Boonbag wrote:
this is outrageous i didn't know about that
how much money do they expect to make ?
aren't wow subscriptions already paying for their grand grand children's eductation and housing ? Point? :O If you made $10M, you wouldnt want to make that in to $20M? its no easy job securing sponsors / adds / setting up a tournament why on earth would you give money to blizzard for a work they don't do ?
Because without Blizzard they wouldn't be hosting the event at all.
They did the work of creating the game that you are using to make money off of.
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you guys are really... depressive to say the least
i'm pretty sure you all own iphones and such and buy music on itunes
jesus what a generation of fucking lamahs
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