EPTIf the community wants change, it needs to make change itself, because for profit companies aren't going to stop making as much profit as they can just to be nice.
How much of a cut does blizzard get from tourny? - Page 24
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
If the community wants change, it needs to make change itself, because for profit companies aren't going to stop making as much profit as they can just to be nice. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On October 14 2011 12:20 Nikon wrote: I'll tell you how Day9 is different. If Blizzard ban him for not paying them to stream his dailies, they basically commit PR suicide. Can you imagine the backlash from the community from something like that? On the other hand, with tournaments, these interactions are solved way before you even hear about the event being hosted. The organisers have no way of holding the tournament without going through the b.net system. If they want big-name players to show up in case of an invite tourney, for example, they have to have guarantee that Blizzard won't randomly decide to interrupt the tournament in the middle. Because they didn't pay their taxes. You know. Can you imagine the backlash from the community if blizzard randomly decided to shut down MLG, IPL or GOM in the middle? Would it be that much less PR suicede than day9? Even a shoutcraft invitational would get them lots of hate. They already get tones of flames every time they lag for LAN does it really matter? Of course Blizzard should try to avoid actually banning Day9 just negotiate and find the maximum percent they can charge him that he is willing to pay and still do the dailies. They don't even have to talk to the streamers directly just tell twitch and blip to send them half of all revenues from starcraft 2 streams or else they will sue for broadcasting their intellectual property and not responding to requests to stop just like movie companies can. Then day9 would get half of what he gets now but if MLG shouldn't be making profit from starcraft content without blizzard I doubt twitch should either. They don't need just the threat of banning to get paid royalties they can't touch starcraft 1 games and kespa had to pay in the end after blizzard went to the courts. They can use the courts for starcraft 2 of course if they couldn't MLG could use the LAN hack and be fine. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On October 14 2011 12:37 Zeroxk wrote: Hnnng can you please stop posting, it's clear you're a very eager anti-Blizzard fan for whatever reason but none of the posts you've made are anything but mindless hate towards Blizzard. Thanks, I'll be sure to keep my worthless opinion to myself. | ||
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Alyoshka
United States10 Posts
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On October 14 2011 14:00 Alyoshka wrote: I would just like to thank MLG Lee for stepping out of the frying pan and into the fire to give us some insight. Its sad that such insight gets overwhelmed by noise (*cough Hnnngg*). Those closest to Blizzard have, largely, supported Blizzard and what they're doing and the game they've created. I would rather trust their opinion than hordes of ranters on the internet who have taken a white-knight approach to esports. Wait, how does MLG Lee factor into this? Because he says it's fine that the money I want to give to him and his company is given to Blizzard instead and that's not okay with me? Makes sense. "So sign up for the membership and you won't give Blizzard anymore money." Thanks, I wish I knew this 14 months ago. EDIT: I just remembered this membership didn't exist 14 months ago. 4 months ago, regardless. | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On October 13 2011 16:19 ELA wrote: Dude, do you have ANY fact/source to back that up? I hear all this random bullshit, but nothing concrete.. It ranges from 5% (lol) of prizepool, to fee per player, fee per viewer and god knows what Do you realize, that all that Blizzard is stating on their tournament site, is that tournaments with a prizepool above 5000$, has to get a written permission from Blizzard - Nothing else. If anyone has experience with this, has written proof from Blizzard, you know what to do; www.wikileaks.com Remember to erase your information in e-mails, date/time etc. :-) Sigh. Since some people obviously don't get jokes, 60 dollars is the price of a copy of Starcraft II, which you have to have to play the game and thus be a participant in a starcraft II tournament. | ||
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gatorling
United States30 Posts
On October 14 2011 03:55 Hnnngg wrote: Except they don't deserve to pay for it. We're not talking about legal issues, that discussion is pointless. The discussion should be whether or not Blizzard morally deserves the money, given how much work they put into SC2. Well.. I'd rather not get into the morality of Blizzard's decision to take a cut of tournament ad profits. Because, I think, that we all can agree that companies will do whatever it takes to increase profits so long as those actions are legal. This is doubly true for publicly held companies who have shareholders to make happy. Is Blizzard well within its rights to extract profit from the efforts of event organizers? Yes. Is it within Blizzard's best interest to see E-sports grow? Yes, because as of now StarCraft2 has promise to be a large player in the E-sports area. I think they are tooling Diablo 3 to be a major contender as well. Does Blizzard's cut of ad profits hurt E-sports? No one knows this answer because we honestly don't have all the facts. We don't know what Blizzard does with this money. Does Blizzard re-invest in capital and the E-sports infrastructure or do these profits simply get distributed to corporate profits and shareholder equity? My guess is that a super majority of it gets re-invested... Ad profits from events would be chump change compared to corporate profits or the market capitalization of ActiVision. It would be much better spent (from a returns perspective) on growing E-sports. A recent, more public, event that shows that Blizzard wants E-sports to grow is its promotion of the BarCraft events. This shows that Blizzard wants to expose the general public to E-sports and raise awareness... because Blizzard knows that more awareness means more viewership.. more viewership means that advertisers will pay more money to advertise.. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On October 14 2011 15:17 FieryBalrog wrote: Is it any surprise that the absence of real information on the issue hasn't stopped anyone from forming super hardcore opinions? The absence of information is, in itself, a cause for discussion. Deals that happen behind closed doors are good reason for pause. A good question is whether or not we ought to know how much Blizzard takes. On the one hand, it's not our deal. If MLG is happy with the terms then the free market says it's ok and we probably shouldn't be too bothered by it. On the other hand, it's my money going into these deals and I typically like to know where my money goes. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On October 14 2011 23:23 gatorling wrote: A recent, more public, event that shows that Blizzard wants E-sports to grow is its promotion of the BarCraft events. This shows that Blizzard wants to expose the general public to E-sports and raise awareness... Yeah, trying to swipe the patent away from the original creators, good ol' Blizz. Except they didn't need to do that, they could've just did what they said they wanted to do and "promote" Barcraft on their website. They didn't need the patent, but that was the only thing that was what was going to make them the most money. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 15 2011 03:37 Hnnngg wrote: Yeah, trying to swipe the patent away from the original creators, good ol' Blizz. Except they didn't need to do that, they could've just did what they said they wanted to do and "promote" Barcraft on their website. They didn't need the patent, but that was the only thing that was what was going to make them the most money. Except the original creators were not the only ones who could have trademark it(patents are different). We now work on a "first to file" is the owner of the trademark/patent. That means anyone who was running a Barcraft(or not running for that matter) could have trademarked Barcraft and then attempted to charge anyone using the term. Read up on Edge Games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_Games A man, Tim Langdell, was in the practice of filing a legal action against anyone who used the word "Edge" in any video game title, claiming he had the orgional trademark for all entertainment media with the word edge in the game. He did so as early as 2001 with "Souls Edge" and continued until he was stripped of any claim to the word Edge from the court in 2010 after a failed attempt to sue EA for Mirror Edge. The best part is that Tim Langdell had very little claim to the word Edge and he never worked for a game production company. If I were Blizzard and the term Barcraft was floating out there with no trademark, I would do anything to avoid this from happening. Litigation costs a lot. I don't know if it was a huge problem, since it was the creators doing so. I am sure Blizzard and their legal department had a few frank discussions with them, but thats good. Its best to let everyone know where they stand and each party is prepared to do. I am sure Blizzard wanted to make sure that the creators were not going to attempt to charge anyone for using Barcraft(which we know they wouldn't do, but in the legal world, you never assume). | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:20 Plansix wrote: I am sure Blizzard wanted to make sure that the creators were not going to attempt to charge anyone for using Barcraft(which we know they wouldn't do, but in the legal world, you never assume). And we can all rest safe knowing that Blizzard would never ever charge bars (or take a percentage of their revenues) for Barcraft... | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 14 2011 15:22 Arisen wrote: Sigh. Since some people obviously don't get jokes, 60 dollars is the price of a copy of Starcraft II, which you have to have to play the game and thus be a participant in a starcraft II tournament. lloll... nice try man. Some people are just way too ready to argue, they cant even read your post.. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On October 12 2011 20:32 Tonem wrote: battlenet forums Exactly. | ||
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