EPT[September] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 7
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jinixxx123
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On October 08 2011 01:41 Treva wrote: I'm not arguing about Protoss. I never said any race has never been nerfed because I'm not an idiot. I was making a response to something that was wrong which was someone saying terran has hardly been nerfed at all. Which if you have played this game at all you know is not true. Plus I can already tell by the attitude of your post that me posting any nerfs at all will just be responded with something along the likes of how they aren't major nerfs so I'm not going to waste my time. Fair enough then, I guess it really is hard objectively to decide what counts as a major nerf, so it is probably not worth either of us wasting time. | ||
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Esper
United States87 Posts
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ChoiBoi
United States130 Posts
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On October 08 2011 02:37 -_- wrote: Ahh. So my guess is the difference between the TLPD and the German Database is that the german database includes more games, and most likely a slightly lower level of play. Thank you so much! The TLPD includes a ton of weekly cups (Craftcup for example) and showmatches (like boxer - yellow) too. Imo a graph where just games between pro gamers are taken into account would be nice :/ | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
On October 07 2011 23:02 Elean wrote: Clearly the polynomial fit doesn't mean much. Would have been better to choose a moving average (for instance over 3 months) Totally agree with that. The random order polynomial fit made me cringe when I saw it. Don't try and impose trend lines on these things unless the trends are statistically valid - which these clearly aren't. Maybe that's just the statistician in me coming out since graphs at work here must always be perfect with no misinformation or no misleading information. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On October 08 2011 02:51 jinixxx123 wrote: the only verdict i got from this is that the bane of protoss is not TERRAN, it is ZERG , like i was mentioning in a previous thread, ppl have been ignoring this and blameing terran all the time for protoss doing badly hahahahah. Virtually every Protoss got knocked out of Code S where all the Terrans are, Code A has been ZvP mostly. If Protoss are having trouble with Terran you probably wouldn't see it because none of them can get high enough to verse all the good ones | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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MagnusHyperion
United States288 Posts
Perhaps the current win rate discrepancies are a function of map pool? Or perhaps player progression? In any case, at the very least Protoss and Zerg need to greatly improve their skill to overcome any... disadvantages that may exist in the design of the game. Also, perhaps this is a simple function of a Terran oriented game? Perhaps with the release of the additional expansion packs there will be a shift as the other races get better units and abilities that are on par with those of Terran. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 08 2011 02:19 Sabu113 wrote: Tell me the race of the person likely to win IPL, MLG (top 3), and the next 2-3 GSLs (caveated if there's another patch). Blizzcon too though I would be content with throwing that tournament out. yeah lets not take player skill into account. GSL will probably will be MVP, IPL dunno maybe MC? He looked really good yesterday. + Show Spoiler + He beat 1 (one!!) Korean Terran!!!!!! Blizzcon will prob be MVP or Nestea(prob MVP because he has a good record against the Tea) GSL if MVP is still as dominant as he is will prob go to Terran. But thats because MVP is a fucking Beast. But hey lets look at championships in BW! OSL # of champions 14 T(!!!) 10 Zerg 9 P Well... maybe MSL is more balanced 12 T 10 Z 4 P ... Welp I guess BW is a broken game. Someone tell Flash that he is being carried by his race. Did I make a valid point? No! The thing is that balance is something much more complicated that watching the # of champions of each race.But its obvious that you have your mind set so I guess I am just wasting time. I am not even saying the game is balanced but basing your conclusions based on solely stuff as winrates(those can change based on the strategies used, look at how TvZ evolved through the years in BW) or # of championships is just... moronic. | ||
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Hetz
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
On October 08 2011 03:53 windsupernova wrote: yeah lets not take player skill into account. GSL will probably will be MVP, IPL dunno maybe MC? He looked really good yesterday. + Show Spoiler + He beat 1 (one!!) Korean Terran!!!!!! Blizzcon will prob be MVP or Nestea(prob MVP because he has a good record against the Tea) GSL if MVP is still as dominant as he is will prob go to Terran. But thats because MVP is a fucking Beast. But hey lets look at championships in BW! OSL # of champions 14 T(!!!) 10 Zerg 9 P Well... maybe MSL is more balanced 12 T 10 Z 4 P ... Welp I guess BW is a broken game. Someone tell Flash that he is being carried by his race. Did I make a valid point? No! The thing is that balance is something much more complicated that watching the # of champions of each race.But its obvious that you have your mind set so I guess I am just wasting time. I am not even saying the game is balanced but basing your conclusions based on solely stuff as winrates(those can change based on the strategies used, look at how TvZ evolved through the years in BW) or # of championships is just... moronic. Looking at just champions is problematic of course. But look at these two charts ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uxz19.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cGzPj.png) Now realize that the Sc2 has almost 9000 more games factored in it's graph than BW's. In BW's sample of 15959 games every race takes turns going from top to bottom, and at many points every race is within 3% of each other. Now look at Sc2's graph of 25,187 games. in only two places I see the races reach within 3% for all three. (Oct 2010, and June 2011) Also notice that Terran is on top the entire length of the graph. Also look at the individual matchups. In BW we see some drastic swings, but every race takes turns above and below the 50% mark in every matchup. Now look at Sc2's matchups. PvZ is the only matchup where there is change in dominance. Conclusion = BW has better balance | ||
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Gatored
United States679 Posts
On October 08 2011 03:50 CuHz wrote: if i could be able to start over; i wish i started off picking terran in BW + sc2. I sometimes offrace as terran and i dont even know their hot keys and i can easily beat top master player protsses =X. I think every protoss feels that way. | ||
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
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Gatored
United States679 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:26 JediGamer wrote: Is SC2 a repeat of SC1, where the most stylistic players and intelligent ones seem to choose terran moreso and everyone just bickers and makes statistics about it all the time? Having a hard time deciphering if this is a troll post or idiotic post. Someone help me. | ||
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harhar!
Germany190 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13408 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:18 Reborn8u wrote: Looking at just champions is problematic of course. But look at these two charts Now realize that the Sc2 has almost 9000 more games factored in it's graph than BW's. In BW's sample of 15959 games every race takes turns going from top to bottom, and at many points every race is within 3% of each other. Now look at Sc2's graph of 25,187 games. in only two places I see the races reach within 3% for all three. (Oct 2010, and June 2011) Also notice that Terran is on top the entire length of the graph. Also look at the individual matchups. In BW we see some drastic swings, but every race takes turns above and below the 50% mark in every matchup. Now look at Sc2's matchups. PvZ is the only matchup where there is change in dominance. Conclusion = BW has better balance I think this post explains it all pretty well. Terran has never had a "bad" season or time. The other races have. In BW everything shifted in SC2 It seems only PvZ and ZvP take turns with metagame and the win/loss percentages. | ||
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