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[September] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs

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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:15:25
October 07 2011 13:36 GMT
#1
SC2Statistics SC2stats
Winrates for September: i.imgur.com/cGzPj.png . Thanks to TLPD and @guocharles !


https://twitter.com/#!/SC2Statistics

August thread

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@SC2Statistics
SC2stats
Korea only win rates as requested: i.imgur.com/w8nXZ.png. Smaller data set etc...


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color blind version
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
October 07 2011 13:37 GMT
#2
Every time I see a new month I get depressed -_-
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Drakeblitz
Profile Joined July 2011
Spain13 Posts
October 07 2011 13:38 GMT
#3
Why the imbalance in ZvT?

I don't understand.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
October 07 2011 13:41 GMT
#4
this is just beyond acceptable for a balanced game

these guys are btw doing an awesome job at providing this data, always looking forward to this every month

id like to have a direct response by david kim to this data at some point, atm blizzard seems so disconnected to the current pro scene, its a little disappointing to be honest
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 07 2011 13:43 GMT
#5
ZvT being worse than PvT? Totally didn't expect that. The rest of the world is so much different from Korea.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
October 07 2011 13:43 GMT
#6
On October 07 2011 22:41 Tsubbi wrote:
this is just beyond acceptable for a balanced game

these guys are btw doing an awesome job at providing this data, always looking forward to this every month

id like to have a direct response by david kim to this data at some point, atm blizzard seems so disconnected to the current pro scene, its a little disappointing to be honest


I've talked with David Kim and he doesn't really keep up with the GSL too much.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 13:48:43
October 07 2011 13:44 GMT
#7
Calm the **** down.
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It'll be alright
EDIT: Should be noted that the map pool rules a lot of the balance in BW.
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
October 07 2011 13:45 GMT
#8
These charts are actually a bit missleading as they use a different scale than the others. At first I was like, "well toss is getting rolled over TvP" then I saw that it was 47% wich is actually pretty close to 50%.

It loos like they also changed previous months winrates? I am so confused.
humbre
Profile Joined August 2011
353 Posts
October 07 2011 13:46 GMT
#9
no offense but tlpd is missing like half of the games
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
October 07 2011 13:47 GMT
#10
Don't forget that even in chess there is a 56%-44% imbalance in favor of white (moves first).
Of course that doesn't mean that we should try to keep the game imbalanced, but it means that you shouldn't worry about these percentages to much, just try to win every game!
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 13:50:01
October 07 2011 13:47 GMT
#11
On October 07 2011 22:45 SpiZe wrote:
These charts are actually a bit missleading as they use a different scale than the others. At first I was like, "well toss is getting rolled over TvP" then I saw that it was 47% wich is actually pretty close to 50%.

It loos like they also changed previous months winrates? I am so confused.

A game is generally considered balanced if the win rates stick somewhere between 47-53% and blizzard is doing a decent enough job for the analyser to use the proper scale for things like this

On October 07 2011 22:48 Mehukannu wrote:
973 at september 2011 almost same as it was at september 2010.

Takes a while for all the results to get into TLPD.
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
Mehukannu
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland421 Posts
October 07 2011 13:48 GMT
#12
973 at september 2011 almost same as it was at september 2010.
C=('. ' Q)
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 13:51:03
October 07 2011 13:49 GMT
#13
Just 973 games in September, 1/3 of the sample size of previous months

Edit: got jumped by Mehukannu!
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AndyGB4
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada156 Posts
October 07 2011 13:50 GMT
#14
The 41% of ZvT is probably DongRaeGu alone haha
Pred8oar
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany281 Posts
October 07 2011 13:51 GMT
#15
terran on top, but well we have never seen them with winrates under 50% so what did i expect
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 07 2011 13:51 GMT
#16
Still the same as always: Terran on top of everything, Zerg taking second place and Protoss struggling at the bottom. These numbers are not close enought to be considered balanced imo.
RealQ
Profile Joined March 2011
1120 Posts
October 07 2011 13:52 GMT
#17
Thats alot of sad zealots as usual
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 07 2011 13:53 GMT
#18
On October 07 2011 22:47 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 22:45 SpiZe wrote:
These charts are actually a bit missleading as they use a different scale than the others. At first I was like, "well toss is getting rolled over TvP" then I saw that it was 47% wich is actually pretty close to 50%.

It loos like they also changed previous months winrates? I am so confused.

A game is generally considered balanced if the win rates stick somewhere between 47-53% and blizzard is doing a decent enough job for the analyser to use the proper scale for things like this



Err, not if you look at ZvT.
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 07 2011 13:54 GMT
#19
you can also find gsl winrates here http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom

select the races and the tournament you want.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 13:58:45
October 07 2011 13:54 GMT
#20
just give it a month with the new patch and things will start look better no need to call game imbalanced now when patch just came

and in the sc1 stats u can see it constantly changing even if maps and patch is the same. its just the players builds that are evolving
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